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Yamaha Attitude Club

#61
Ah, thanks guys. Must be a 'feature'. I'm not sure if does the same thing in 'stereo', haven't really played with that side of it much. Yet to sort out my rig so I can through one amp (I have a cunning plan which involves to multifx, running a the woofer into a small one with comp only into the aux of my main fx unit which will do all the clever stuff)
 
#63
I ran it last night through my SWR practice amp (it has dual hook ups) and it sounded awesome I didn't think it'd be that big a difference but wow. I don't think I'd get (2) 8 x 10 maybe (2) 4 x 10 or a 4 x 10 and 1 x 15 or don't the new 8 x 10 have bi amping on them? I thought you could run the top half different from the bottom half?
 
#64
Is it a must? No, but it sure does sound good! Here's my "basement rig" with everything hooked up. Being able to tailor the individual outputs is pretty fun.

If you look reeeeeal close at the Pearce you can see I have Channel 1 tweaked for highs and Channel 2 tweaked for lows. Also, I have the FX return turned up on Channel 1 only. So the bottom stays nice and solid the whole way.

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#66
No it's not a must and it does sound great in mono mode, but I'd like to be able to keep a clean fat low end whilst running fx like drive or chorus etc on the top end without getting muddy. Also I want to run more compression on the top end than the lows. Yes I can do similar with blendable overdrives and a multiband/dual band compressor, but this will work a lot better. And I don't need to amps to do it either, just need to sit and tweak my fx units for a few hours. Ideally I still need mono patched too tho for my spare bass just in case!

The only real problem I forsee is I like to go wireless for some gigs. I don't particularly want have to get another system and have 2 battery packs :(
 
#69
Im building a stereo/bi-amp rig. But in a much smaller package than billy uses.

Do some of you guys know how to raise the P pickup a little? I would like it a couple of mm up so i can use it more like a ramp too.

aaand, does anybody know what kind of string gauge it came stringed with? :)

and btw, nice rig ModuMan !
 
#70
I just turned the screws on mine and the pickup springs (or whatever it is under them) had enough in them to keep them solid at my required height. I use them as a ramp too.

Failing that, cut some strips to size from a foam mousemat and stick them under the pickup.

I don't know what strings came on it, but they would either be a standard set of 45 yamaha's, or Billy's custom Roto set, which are .43 .65 .80 and .110. Basically a 45 set with slightly lighter top string for bending, and heavier bottom string to keep tension even when dropped to low D.

I can thoroughly recommend these custom Roto's, they seem to work very well on this bass. Tension feel very even all over, and the 110 low E string is a revelation. They also seem to bring out the growl and grind in the tone that this bass is known for. The only downside is they may feel a little rough if you're not used to rotos and they don't last as long as some other stainless steel string brands. The Warwick Black Labels I use on my Warwick Thumb seem to last months and months.
 
#71
metalbass777 said:
Would it be possible for someone to record a mono vs stereo clip so I can hear the difference?
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It's possible (although I really don't have the time or inclination myself) but if it's just clean signals, you're really not going to notice much.

The real magic happens when the 2 signals are treated and effected separately and in different way which you can really (or easily) do with a single signal.

For example, Billy himself keeps the low end quite tame, some moderate compression, and the SVT amp is clean, and maybe a little eq rolling of the top end slightly. The P pickup goes through a pre amp for grit (which also has a blendable second distortion channel, in effect giving 3 signals!), bags of compression, into another SVT with the low end almost completely rolled off. He also has an Eventide effect unit in this path for the odd bit of harmony in a couple of solos.

The beauty of this is you have complete tonal control over both pickups separately, and eq'd the way he does, the high and low end don't fight for sonic space, ands stops it getting too muddy. Thus it allows him to get a really compressed top end to bring out harmonics and tapping, but the gently compressed low end still has room to breath and vibrate properly. The other bonus is he can get overdrive and distortion going which are low end suckers, but running the other signal clean blends them together.

You could achieve similar with a multiband compressor, and some clever processing, but splitting at source just gives better control, and a greater degree of separation.

I have seen him play with his bass set to mono through one amp, and he does still sound like Billy, but you could tell the high and low end were fighting for sonic space.

There's a section on his Advanced Bass dvd that goes through his entire rig that is well worth looking into. It may even be on youtube by now.

In fact my band is doing our demo soon, I plan to go direct with mine into 2 channels, one for each pickup, exactly for the above reasons. I think the engineer may even love me for it! Kinda like DI'ing and micing an amp at the same time.

Hope this all helps make things clearer.
 
#74
Indeed it can, I forgot that, but it does only have single band compression. I lot of his sound comes from the two individually compressed signals, other wise the low end just can't breathe. When I saw him at the London Music Show, he was using the house SVT, so no other compressors in the rack, just the amp.
 
#75
I use a compressor for each channel of my Pearce. Totally agree about keeping the low end more open.

What I love about this setup is that while it is geared towards the discreet signals of the Attitude it works very well for "regular" basses too! The best part is keeping the FX in the high channel and keeping the low end clean.

Wizay, thanks! It's obviously not a rig that I cart everywhere but it's fun to put everything together at home. Generally speaking, just the Bergantino or the two Acmes can handle most situations by themselves.
 
#76
That's almost exactly what I'm aiming to do with my much smaller rig, something that I can either use 2 channels or a regular single output bass.

I figure I've I use my Zoom B9.1ut as the main processor I can run the Attitudes P pickup through it, and set up other patches for my single output basses. Then the woofer pickup, I can run through my little Korg AX3B, just for compression and into the aux in on the Zoom. Then run the whole shebang into one amp. That way I can either use both fx units with the Attitude, or switch to a spare bass and just use the zoom. I can set up similar sounding patches on there, obviously, not as full and flexible, but good enough.

I've tried using dual band compressors in the past, but it becuase it splits the signal in two, it just doesn't work as well as having 2 completely independant full range signals to compress and eq to my hearts content. Plus on the one's I've used, it's still a single output, to you still can't treat the two band separately after compression.

I was thinking about the Line6 X3 Live, as it has 2 indepedant inputs, and 2 independant signal paths that can be mixed to one output if desired. You probably could nail Billy's tone and rig in this one box. But I decided against it, as it wasn't flexible or easy enough to operate in other key areas.
 
#77
I'm just looking for a simple set up. All the gear mentioned is confusing. Do I really need all that stuff? I'm looking for something that is giggable and easy to transport. Right now all I got is a Hartke 120 combo and a Boss ME-50B multi fx.
 

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