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Verellen Octal

Today I did it. First mesurements with 6550 in the Hexa Valve with 12AT7 as LTPI Valve:

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At low level output, overall gain 16,5dBV

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At same pot positions the Octals Hi Z
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Oberall gain 18,7dBV, only 2,2dBV more, thats not much, I ecpected a greater difference.

Now max power at 10% THD

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Only 205W at 10% THD. But we remember, with normal Octals only 160W at 15%.

Thats better due to the higher input impedance of 320k instead of 120k, but not high enough for this poor overloaded LTPI valve.

That means as my conclusion:

The Octals also need a driver valve after the LTPI for max. power in high power valve amps with more than 4 power valves. May be an input impedance of 1M or so would do it better, but may be with more unwanted sideeffects.

I'll test them in my Traynor YBA-200 2, loaded with four KT88 at 585V anode voltage. Power not more than 140W at normal THD. May be there will be their place.
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Jad Freer tube preamp pedal for 2026?

As many of you have guessed, the LUCE is a transformed based tube DI built around a an ECC88/6922 tube and an OEP/Carnhill audio transformer. It also provides an additional unbalanced output that benefits from the tube circuit, plus an active summing stage that allows two instruments to be connected at once. All in a compact, pedalboard-friendly format (it can also go under many boards).

Here are some specs:

NOISE -122 dBV
INPUT IMPEDANCE 4.7 MOhm
OUTPUT IMPEDANCE 600 Ohm
FREQUENCY RESPONSE ±0.25 dB (20 Hz – 90 KHz)
MAX INPUT LEVEL +12 dBuMAX
OUTPUT LEVEL +12 dBu
THD @ 1 KHZ, +12 dBu 0.17%
POWER REQUIREMENT 400 mA @9VDC neg.

Hope you'll enjoy some info in advance!

Does the signal path route both the tube and transformer through the 1/4-inch jack, or is the transformer strictly dedicated to the XLR output?

You know what...I might just leave my phaser on all the time😉

yup, I've been doing that with an MXR bass chorus deluxe barely there but with tone controls set bass-2 (a small boost) trebel-10 o clock (small cut), intensity and width both at 10 o clock, speed is medium, but I'm not hearing a sweep... this is just on my home practice rig, haven't tried it on the complete board where there's a preamp.
My Phaser is in the loop of an EH Superego where it is often on, but it has competition from Oceans 11, Boss sy1, Bananana, catylinbread cdiskman, others

You know what...I might just leave my phaser on all the time😉

I've been doing that with an MXR bass chorus deluxe barely there but with tone controls set bass-2 (a small boost) trebel-10 o clock (small cut), intensity and width both at 10 o clock, speed is medium, but I'm not hearing a sweep... this is just on my home practice rig, haven't tried it on the complete board where there's a preamp.
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Damnation Audio Fan/Appreciation Thread

Looks like a killer setup. Definitely a nice variety. How do you like your compressor? I had one for a bit but didn’t really need it too badly between my SVT and dirt pedals compressing my signal. And apologies, but what’s an RFE?
I'm not very knowledgeable about compressors, but this one is perfect for my needs (fast playing with a pick, distortion always on). It's super easy to adjust; the tilt EQ helps add a bit of brightness and attack, as well as reduce muddiness. I also use it as a slight boost to push the dirts. Great tool, I won't look back.
The RFE is the Broughton resonant filter (hpf/lpf with a mids control, here it's a clone)

Bassists who play "modern" basses in rootsy contexts.

Mind you I play for a living so I have to be down with fitting the visual vibe in a way that works for whoever is paying, but I will say, I think it's gotten more narrow-minded out there in recent years

Are you saying your employers have actually expressed a preference on what instrument you play based on its appearance?!?! Or is this just a hypothetical, or something you’re sensing rather than hearing explicitly stated?

Gotta admit, it’s been >40 years since any bandleader even commented on how my bass looked…but that’s because >40 years ago I was playing a Steinberger.


Andy West also seems to embrace cutting-edge tech in rootsy and lo-fi-ish contexts.

Andy West plays rootsy music?!?!

Bassists who play "modern" basses in rootsy contexts.

Was having a chat with a fellow local bassist, who commented on my using my "modern"-looking MTD in one of the Americana bands I play in, in that it was "unexpected" but cool. So we started citing examples of that out there in the big leagues. Of course we came up with Lee Sklar with his Dingwalls with Lyle Lovett and others, Jimmy Johnson on his Alembic with James Taylor, also Tony Garnier with various fivers like Laklands and Warwicks with Bob Dylan. Seems like you'd see more of that in the past--I mean, John McVie, Phil Lesh, etc - whereas now in Americana, country, and most rootsy organic type genres there's definitely a trend that the bass has got to look retro or "classic". Mind you I play for a living so I have to be down with fitting the visual vibe in a way that works for whoever is paying, but I will say, I think it's gotten more narrow-minded out there in recent years, in fact I find it's often bassists who are more rigid about it than even some of the artists and band leaders! That is all, just an observation.
There are certain gigs where the vibe is definitely very retro and modern equipment does not fit the vibe. I can't see Lenny Kravitz or the Black Crows ever having a bass player playing a modern bass, but the other side of the coin is bands like the Grateful Dead and Allman Brothers have had bass players playing modern basses and done just fine. It's always about how you play more than what you play. Play whatever sounds best to your ears and then play whatever the person signing your checks likes and you'll keep the gig.

The Mediocre Bassist Club

Lol. Laabs is the good, solid kind. Provided a lot of reasonably priced serviceable instruments to school students starting in the 50s and 60s and then added the electrics as Leo and others showed the way. Those lines kept going and their service department did a good job supporting post-sales. Today I think they service and deal as much used as new, and do a lot of web or mail order. They grew to have a few more stores.

They are not going away anytime soon. And I think you'll be happy with their support if you need any. I'd be interested to hear if that's not the case for you.
I saw an interesting conflict in info on that. Yelp and Google both have pretty heavy negatives about the service, Reverb is almost totally positive. Also lot of bad comment on TB about that brand of bass, but entirely by people who'd never seen or played one.

So far the communication with me has been good.

We shall see, but I'm not sweating. The world has bigger worries.

Fodera Club Part XXVII

Just my .02 . Fodera has been around for 43 years, they're not going out of business. The quality is as good or better than ever. Jason set the foundation for customer service, and following that map has been successful. There's always going to be a glitch, that's the nature of business. A point person is important, but for me, not as important as the person holding a file or chisel in the shop. I'm all for the "good old days", but things change. We live in the now. Best to see what happens, and who knows, maybe it will be even better.
I disagree with the quality is better. The material they use for their finish just sucks. The past Fodera I had owned in the last 5 years their finish crack. They always say it is because of climate change. I disagree, because my other basses have never cracked.
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What is a Fullerton hump ?

The "hump" in the instruments made at the Fullerton factory was due to the original pin router that Fender used. You can clearly see the hump in nearly all of the 50's and 60's basses. By the mid-70's the hump started to diminish. The reason I heard is because the Onsrud Pin Router (Model 1136 A) was sold to Ernie Ball/Earthwood around that time. The routing template was revised/recreated to fit the replacement router.

All of that being said, the 1982 through 1985 Vintage Series (AVRI) instruments had a very noticeable Fullerton hump. This is because Fender tried very hard to recreate many of the aspects found on the original instruments. The 1982 through 1985 Vintage Series were the final guitars and basses made at the Fullerton, CA factory and were (supposedly) created using the original jigs, tooling, and workmanship techniques that made the pre-CBS basses and guitars so sought after. This is one reason the value of the early AVRI instruments continues to steadily rise.

Instruments made at the Corona, CA factory are/were built using different tools and therefore do not have the Fullerton hump. Although a very small number of items were brought over to the Corona factory, the sale to the employees only included the Fender brand name, remaining inventory, and product lines. The buyers did not receive the original Fullerton factory, machinery, or historical patents.
I watched a video of the early days ( many times) and good shots of bodies being cut on the bandsaw. The video clearly shows the hump being cut on the bandsaw. No pin router in sight. Further, looking at my ‘61 the round over edge in the tight area of the cutaway, which it small radius increasing to the large radius of the “horn” is clearly done by hand because it’s uneven and clearly not done by machine in that tight area.

With that evidence I reject the pin router being the origin of the hump. It was the bandsaw.

Curious what the percentage of bass players use rounds vs flats is.

I was surprised as Al didn't have an answer I thought it could simply analize sales of both types. Now that said I'm no expert using Al. I know more rock players use flats than you would think, it's not just jazz, RnB, soul or blues players anymore. I mean Mark Knopflers bass player uses flats for one example.
AI doesn't really "analyze" things. It can summarize things that it has access to, but most of the companies making strings are privately held companies. Their sales numbers (being private) are not on the internet, so no matter how advanced an AI is, it has literally no clue as to those numbers. When you see something from an online AI that is surprising, remember, it only tells you what it has read on the internet - it knows literally nothing beyond that. It may be spot on, it may be dead wrong. Most of the time, it'll be something in between.

One of our own members on here used to work for GHS and he did share that rounds are North of 90 percent of their business. The poll on Talkbass where it was 70 percent rounds/30 flats is a cross section of a very small slice of the bass guitar public - flats are likely very over represented here. Flats are a niche thing among bass aficionados, and we're...definitely aficionados (not the mainstream).
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Darkglass Anagram Multi FX Announced

Hey Guys, Thinking about getting a Anagram and have a few questions, first my band plays in standard tuning, 1/2 step down and a few songs a whole step down, now could I set up the Anagram to either have the A button in standard tuning, B a 1/2 step down and C a whole step down all with the same sound or different sounds with each button..or bank 1 with all 3 buttons in standard tuning with different/same sounds, Bank 2 all 3 buttons a 1/2 step down with different or the same sound and 3rd Bank a whole step down with the same or different sounds..Also I know you have to push 2 buttons to switch banks is there a external device, maybe the Darkglass MIDI Footswitch. that would work with the Anagram that have more buttons so maybe I could just push 1 button to switch banks, I don't want to go to switch presets using A B or C button and accidentally push 2 buttons and switch banks...Thanks in advance for all answers...
Yes you can set it up in all of those ways its pitchshifter works really well for down tuning.
You can setup the Darkglass MIDI foot switch or any other midi controller for additional foot switches
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