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2 50 watt 12" combos?

The cost of an amp is the cost of design, certification and production. Design and certification aren’t free. The increased cost is a tradeoff for increased performance, decreased weight and heat.

I understand the costs involved in designing a product, which has helped to keep many of my overexhuberant designs from seeing commercial production.

I fail to see this increase in performance you are speaking of. In fact, I have always found a properly designed Class A/B to sound superior, weight and heat be damned!

There’s nothing “parlor trick” about it. Of course it’s more complicated and takes a greater understanding of electronics. Once you really understand how it works, it makes total sense. If you don’t or can’t understand then it won’t make sense, but that doesn’t make it a parlor trick.

I understand it clearly enough, just as I understand such designs as Bob Carvers magnetic field power supply. But I don't have to like it, and would never consider it viable for a reference-class high end hifi component.

But we are talking about bass amps made to a relatively affordable pricepoint. I still prefer conventional designs.
 
I’m late to this party, but let’s cut to the chase.

Back in the day, PA systems in small clubs were crap- the bass amp had to cover the room with little help from FOH:
  • Most gigging bassists used highly efficient 15’s, and bandwidth was pretty restricted- most cabs were down at least 3 to 6dB at 60 Hz.
  • Tube heads naturally compressed in a useful way, and 100 watts into two 15’s was enough for most cover gigs.
  • Even the biggest heads only had 200 to 300 watts, so gigging bassists carried large, heavy cabs, and more of them..
Fast-forward to today:
  • Amplification has gotten more powerful and less expensive. Long-throw subwoofer drivers with higher power ratings but lower efficiency are common.
  • Modern music is more bass-heavy, and drummers haven’t got much quieter, so more power is required. Fortunately, PA systems are more powerful and more common in small venues- even in churches. So are subs.
  • Backline no longer has to carry the room, but short-throw, heavy but highly efficient ceramic 15’s (or 10’s in an Ampeg fridge) are largely a thing of the past. A lot of gigging bassists are carrying lighter cabs with less efficient 10’s or 12’s that require more power than ever before.
  • Load-in is easier for gigging bassists than back in the day, but 500 watts is the new 100. Big rigs with 800 and 900 watts are common.
A lot of the early comments in this thread were about increments of 3 to 6dB, but that isn’t a useful increment if you’re gigging out.

Face it, 6dB is only two lines on a fader:
  • If you’ve ever run sound, you know that just moving from a lively room to a highly damped one can require ten times the power.
  • Even at the low end, venues can vary from 30 seats and a postage-stamp dance floor to two or three hundred seats.
  • Heck, a drummer change in an established band can bump you from getting by with a small combo to needing a 4*10 and a decent-sized head.

Going from a single 50 watt bass combo to two of them simply isn’t going to get the job done, except maybe for someone like a church musician who already has a steady gig and always plays at the same hall.

For someone in that position, and who knows that all he needs is a pinch more headroom, grabbing an identical 50w combo makes sense. You get the extra headroom, you’ve got a spare if one amp dies, and you’ve got a sensible, modular, one-trip carry.

But based on the OP’s original question (potential Jazz and Blues-rock bands, venues and number of members unknown), it sounds like he really needs an Orange head and an as-yet undefined number of more serious cabs.

Thankfully, he’s in luck- Orange offers a range of heads from 200 to 500 watts, in sizes from the little bass thing (500 watts and under 10lb) to the Terror, OB1 and AD series.
 
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Computers and amplifiers are two different things entirely.
Yes they are. The world goes bat s**t crazy when our computers go down.
Amps failing, maybe affects just you and me?

I would expect if SMPS's are good enough to keep the world's computers and other essential devices going, that they ought to be more than reliable enough for powering an instrument amp.

Your opinion is your opinion and you are entitled to it. As long as you state that it is your opinion, hopefully the less technically savvy folks here won't reach conclusions leading to wrong decisions for them.

FWIW My Rumble 200 V3 has been working fine for years.
 
I have been designing and building sophisticated high end audio amplifiers for 50 years.

An opinion, yes. But a very experienced one nonetheless.
This explains everything, that’s an industry I left 40 years ago over the preponderance of snake oil. I posted the story of how it went down a few years ago. The snake oil folks actually proved themselves completely wrong, I just set up the opportunity.
 
This explains everything, that’s an industry I left 40 years ago over the preponderance of snake oil. I posted the story of how it went down a few years ago. The snake oil folks actually proved themselves completely wrong, I just set up the opportunity.

A high end audio amp is only as good as its power supply. No snake oil involved here.

I also realize that highly regulated, ultra stiff power supplies are not a necessity for bass amps to function as intended.
 
I have been designing and building sophisticated high end audio amplifiers for 50 years.

An opinion, yes. But a very experienced one nonetheless.

If you like the Orange Sound and don't feel like spending the significant xtra cash most suggestions here on leading you to.
Give it a shot. If you don't like results you can return new one and see what used Orange Market has to offer.

I also mentioned once here that I managed a High End Audio Store
And was mocked and dismissed with some very rude and unnecessary replies similar to Agedhorse reply :)
 
A high end audio amp is only as good as its power supply. No snake oil involved here.

I also realize that highly regulated, ultra stiff power supplies are not a necessity for bass amps to function as intended.

Except that many power supplies used in many bass amps (all the current amps I have designed) include “ultra-stiff”, regulated power supplies. In fact, the source impedance of these power supplies approach zero ohms while delivering 30 amps.

A high end audio amp is only as good as it’s design. The power supply is not the only factor.
 
If you like the Orange Sound and don't feel like spending the significant xtra cash most suggestions here on leading you to.
Give it a shot. If you don't like results you can return new one and see what used Orange Market has to offer.

I also mentioned once here that I managed a High End Audio Store
And was mocked and dismissed with some very rude and unnecessary replies similar to Agedhorse reply :)
I agree that he should try the Orange amp to see if it gets what he needs.

My comments about the audiophile market is based on designing products for that market, then having the marketing guys turn it into something it wasn’t, nor could be.

$10k speaker cables, $1k power receptacles, $5k power cords, magic crystal mounting feet, speaker cable supports, markers for CD edges, spiritual upgrades. C’mon, give us (all) a break and stick to science and not snake oil.

Note that there are quite a few experienced engineers and a few amp designers on this forum, that may be why you received the comments you did. I’m sure they were not intended to be rude.
 
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A high end audio amp is only as good as its power supply. No snake oil involved here.

I also realize that highly regulated, ultra stiff power supplies are not a necessity for bass amps to function as intended.

IMHO, people no longer have to lug heavy, iron to gigs anymore if they don't want to.
And most folks don't take their high end home entertainment systems out of the house much.
So it all works out.
 
I agree that he should try the Orange amp to see if it gets what he needs.

My comments about the audiophile market is based on designing products for that market, then having the marketing guys turn it into something it wasn’t, nor could be.

$10k speaker cables, $1k power receptacles, $5k power cords, magic crystal mounting feet, speaker cable supports, markers for CD edges, spiritual upgrades. C’mon, give us (all) a break and stick to science and not snake oil.

Note that there are quite a few experienced engineers and a few amp designers on this forum, that may be why you received the comments you did. I’m sure they were not intended to be rude.
Does the snake oil help keep the oxygen out of those hi $$ cables? ;)