I've changed my feelings on this sort of thing.
Nobody needs a single pedal that much. So while I refused to get riled over first world pedal wheeling and dealing, I blame the buyers more than the sellers, for me they are the real saddos here.
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3Leaf Audio Club - Episode 2
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Nobody needs a single pedal that much. So while I refused to get riled over first world pedal wheeling and dealing, I blame the buyers more than the sellers, for me they are the real saddos here.
I don't need the pedals either, and I don't get sore about missing out on what are essentially luxury items. I have a bad taste in my mouth over this one because both of these pedals were purchased for less than half their asking price last week from a guy who was trying to get them into hands of eager players for the first time in months and months. It's just gross and represents the worst sort of opportunism that our culture tolerates and even celebrates.
I loved my V3 Proton, but I’m *really* loving this V4. Kinda wishing I’d have grabbed a Doom and an Octabvre also, but oh well.
The finish/lettering on mine seems perfect (I bought a new one, not B stock).
The finish/lettering on mine seems perfect (I bought a new one, not B stock).
The website seems to indicate that a few more Octabvres are coming down the pike, so you may not be out of luck just yet.
I finally got to try out my Proton V4. I even A/B’d it with an Iron Ether XD, and the early returns are good. It is what I hoped it would be. It only does like a quarter of what the Chromatron did, but it does ninety percent of what I was using.
What are your thoughts compared to the XD? I've got an XD on the way to pair with my Microtron IV and am excited. Filters are awesome.
Way different and equally great. It has a synth sweep that is second to none. I prefer the proton as a go-to envelope filter, but they can live on the same board.
Hot take - the person charging more than double for the price is no different than the person charging $100 more (who is no different than the person charging $50 more who is no different than the person charging $20 more) than the price they paid. They all are profiting off of buying something that was in stock. You can decide if this is ok or evil, but a profit is a profit.
MAFbass1992
Bass Player / Low-End Reviews
I think there is a bit of a difference between someone who has owned a pedal (or anything really), used it, and then decides to sell it, notices that the market price has gone up, and sells it for the going rate, versus someone who buys something with the express intent of flipping it. Like houses for example... no one is going to list the house they lived in for the last 10 years for what they paid for it if the market value is now $20,000 more.
It's a shame to see what is essentially scalping occurring with pedals, but I don't know how builders can prevent it. I mean, a limit of 1 per customer helps, but still.
Builders should be able to access the pedal collections of all potential buyers to determine if they really 'need' the new pedal.
Revolutionary!
Revolutionary!
But who is to say what 'need' means? Even 'deserves'? Is there a certain number of gigs per month? Songs per set that use the effect? Number of hours spent with the pedal on per day? And if you are gigging, does it matter how many people are in the audience or who are there cause they like the music? It's all so entitled...I'm not a fan of when it comes down to who is willing to spend the most money but in the end no one deserves anything any more than anyone else. That being said, there is also nothing in this (or most) pedal lines that couldn't be replaced with an alternative.
Shot answer - clearly I wan't being serious. And I don't want that type of 'revolution' either.
There's clearly a bunch grey area on this. But to me, purchasing a pedal from a guy who has busted his balls to get a few into the hands of musicians for the first time in several months only to immediately flip at double the price falls pretty far from anywhere a reasonable person would draw their line.
Anyway, whatever. I passed on all three pedals because I don't need them.
I'm just hopeful that production will indeed be underway again with some regularity. Even a few drops a year of each pedal would go a long way. Iron Ether does it and those pedals are more readily available than 3Leaf, I think.
Anyway, whatever. I passed on all three pedals because I don't need them.
I'm just hopeful that production will indeed be underway again with some regularity. Even a few drops a year of each pedal would go a long way. Iron Ether does it and those pedals are more readily available than 3Leaf, I think.
Hello Eric. That's a good point about Iron Ether.
As for flippers, they cater to the fact that a person seeking a pedal (any pedal, not even a rare one necessarily) often ceases to be "a reasonable person". The buyer is motivated more by desire than good sense.
By way of explanation, not justification: if no-one bought stuff at inflated prices, then sellers would stop trying to sell at those prices. Like advertising, they keep doing it because it works.
Yep. Not so ironically...most of the people I know who pay flipper prices are more than happy to do so. They know they aren't going to hit F5 or set an alarm for that drop...they know someone else will do it for them and they will throw money at that person to get what they want. Those folks also look at it as a win win situation.
It'll never change. Your only hope for change is to create a community where we are less anonymous to each other...that way when you are selling something, you recognize the names of those who will likely flip it at a profit vs those who are not known as flippers. Most people don't care but over time if you care it's pretty easy to find others who care and it's pretty easy to sell unobtainium behind the scenes within the community.
But really very few people care.
Dude…this moral philosophizing about the pedal market is getting exhausting. At least it was contained to a single thread before.
Let’s all just go plug in a pedal we haven’t used in a while, make some cool noises, and find a moment of escape. We all die regardless of how much gear we acquire, how much unobtanium we score, and how many screamin’ deals we get. It’s not that serious…
Let’s all just go plug in a pedal we haven’t used in a while, make some cool noises, and find a moment of escape. We all die regardless of how much gear we acquire, how much unobtanium we score, and how many screamin’ deals we get. It’s not that serious…
