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Adventures in auditions, jealous GF edition.

Yeah, forming my own group is most likely going to happen sometime in the new year. Trying to do originals just makes it more of a challenge and the chemistry even more important, I feel. Only issue is finding a place to practice or reherse or otherwise deal with drums, haha. Apartment life is no fun...

Yeah, apartment life can definitely present some challenges with getting something off the ground, especially if you want to do something heavier.

As long as you're in a reasonably populated spot there should be hourly practice spaces with a backline available somewhere once you get to the point of trying out drummers or just needing a neutral spot for making some noise for a few hours.

The main drawbacks to this type of setup IMO are setup time and sometimes having to deal with less-than-ideal gear, but both are things you have to deal with when playing out. Drummers definitely get the short straw with backline gear but most are used to it, and the good ones can wrangle a decent sound out of a typical backline kit by bringing a few key pieces and spending a few minutes on tuning.
 
How does this apply to the thread? OP auditioned for the bass position not the lead singing position.
Still applies, though perhaps not as strongly. Gender-mixed bands send a more welcoming vibe to couples. It's a way of implicitly saying that both sexes are welcome, part of the scene, and it makes people comfortable more quickly. Personally I think it's a subconscious trust issue. It's especially true with attractive people, and doubly so with attractive women. Absent any personality quirks and damaging interpersonal dynamics, that band would almost certainly be more successful with the OP than with a male bassist of equal skill.
 
Hah, I pretty much agree with the we're all dudes bit, growing up in the bay area and then living in Santa Barbara for the better part of a decade. Its very much a thing here, less so than some parts of the world...
Anyways, in the context of relationships and other stuff... well its complicated, first about me: I'm super duper queer. Married to an awesome woman, we have a kick ass kid, I work in aerospace engineering/mfg, and I generally have the social skills of a sack of potatoes and am a-typical of of the experiences that a lot of people have. In short, a lot of people expect me to be and act one way based on my appearance, and its just not the case.
So how does this apply to what I said about some of the sort of cis-het normative things that people do in their relationships? Quite a bit, but its less important from my existence, experiences and other garbage and to do with how other people tend to see others and interact with them.

We as people only have our own unique expectations of others to guide how we choose to interact with someone upon meeting them for the first time, or as a series of interactions forms into a meaningful relationship. You see it a lot in more in topics of race or identity politics and it generally turns into a messy cluster -fsk real quick when that happens. In this specific context of band goofyness and this dude and his gf, well, there is some bizarre jealousy that I admittedly don't fully understand, but its something that we generally see in society as a whole.
I guess an easier example would be some of the tropes about male - female dynamics in relationships when it comes to interaction between partners and their friends and nights out with the guys or nights out with the girls.
(I really hope this makes sense, Coffee isn't kicking in yet...)
I guess a clear example is seeing a group of women on a tv show, and someone in that fictional group makes a comment about their bf doing something and then the group chiming about dumping his ass over some tiny issue or other dumb thing. yeh, its fiction but garbage like that does happen.

There are a lot of social norms that we tend to force on others without really seeing/realizing them and it takes a LOT of effort to really even start seeing them much less moving past them for most people.

Anyways, hope this sort of made sense... having long nuanced discussions on social functions and behavior is not something I'm good at. I can do a much better job telling someone how to design and build a gimbal for a spacecraft.... :p
That's awesome. We already have waaay too many social engineers and too few actual engineers.
 
So, I've been looking for a new band for a while now and its been a pretty frustrating fruitless endeavor for the most part as I'm looking for doing originals and in metal or even down to more chill stuff like hard rock or indie stuff. To say it tends to be male dominated is an understatement, Needless to say, lots of boys club type vibes from groups in this genre, this one takes the cake though from my recent experiences.

FTR this is a pretty huge bullet dodged in my book, if some dude is being this weird, well, about his gf or whatever then I'm pretty glad to not have to deal with that mess.
Meanwhile I'm going back to the search for non jerk band mates, wheeee. Luckily my wife has ZERO issues with me playing with random guys. LOLOL


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He doesnt want his wife to get on his case about his band, any more than she already is. My wife says if we get a girl singer, I monger have a band or no longer have a family. It's stupid, but its completely understandable.
 
He doesnt want his wife to get on his case about his band, any more than she already is. My wife says if we get a girl singer, I monger have a band or no longer have a family. It's stupid, but its completely understandable.

I wouldn't consider that reasonable or understandable to be quite honest with ya, but if its an arrangement you're willing to be part of, well, who am I do judge.
 
He doesnt want his wife to get on his case about his band, any more than she already is. My wife says if we get a girl singer, I monger have a band or no longer have a family. It's stupid, but its completely understandable.

I would not call that understandable whatsoever :eyebrow:
But you do what you think it's best for you
 
I wouldn't take it too seriously. There are all female member bands looking for another female musician. Rock bands looking for a male frontman. I have seen asian outfits looking for other asians and transgender bands looking for another transgender. It's all cool. The only problem I would have is the band should have been upfront about their gender preference before making you come out and audition for nothing. If you have played enough most of have experienced the psycho over involved partner. Consider yourself lucky. Good luck to you.
 
Some comments in here are incredibly harsh.

Chronic anxiety, by design, is generally irrational to the person experiencing it. They don't know why they are anxious, just that they're "melting down" right there, right then. I believe the guy is being honest with you when he says his wife's/gf's anxiety was actually a deciding factor in turning you down for the band, especially if she's not a musician like you and the band-members are. I don't believe he's slagging you for being a woman, or protecting himself because he's attracted to you. That's a terribly cynical way of looking at it.

I've actually been in a band where the leader of the band's wife actually had extremely debilitating social anxiety. It never led to them refusing women in the band but if you're actually diagnosed with it, it can be a real drag. People can become depressed and even suicidal from their anxiety.
 
Hint: It's the talent, ability, musicianship and showmanship of the female vocalists you have performed with that attracts and holds the attention of your audiences. Not their gender.

[Politically Correct Note: The term showmanship was not intended to be gender specific :)]

I agree with that and the idea that it's the talent and not the gender. But, if I have a choice to see one of 2 exactly equally talents bands playing the same genre, at two different venues, I'll choose the one with the girl band member. I'm a guy, it's my nature.
 
I agree with that and the idea that it's the talent and not the gender. But, if I have a choice to see one of 2 exactly equally talents bands playing the same genre, at two different venues, I'll choose the one with the girl band member. I'm a guy, it's my nature.

I don't know.
I'm a guy too. I like women. But I've also been around women long enough that they're no longer novelty items. I would choose the band with the best personalities overall. Gender is not really important. Unless you're considering your options to get something extra?
 
How does this apply to the thread? OP auditioned for the bass position not the lead singing position.
You are correct, It doesn't exactly match up to the OP's audition for the bass position in the band. I just tend to take sidebars or give related anecdotes to emphasize her plight and/or expand the whole picture. Besides, I'm a grey hair, cover band player and after 40 years of playing bass I earned the right to act like Grampa Simpson and yell at clouds.
 
Some comments in here are incredibly harsh.
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I don't believe he's slagging you for being a woman, or protecting himself because he's attracted to you. That's a terribly cynical way of looking at it.

I wish that was the case, except that it was explicitly stated. "your chit is rad, but your a chick, so it won't work"

Anyways, anxiety is super real thing and i'm not knocking them or anyone for it but I'm not thinking thats the case here. I have my own struggles with mental health, depression and crippling social anxiety but something can work with to manage. It never goes away but it can be managed to a degree.
 
I wish that was the case, except that it was explicitly stated. "your chit is rad, but your a chick, so it won't work"

Anyways, anxiety is super real thing and i'm not knocking them or anyone for it but I'm not thinking thats the case here. I have my own struggles with mental health, depression and crippling social anxiety but something can work with to manage. It never goes away but it can be managed to a degree.

Well if he doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're" ... :roflmao:

Did I miss something? All I saw was that text message you posted that talked about his gf's anxiety. I didn't see anything that was that crass or basic in the exchange.

The other factor is "happy wife, happy life" may also apply. He may know or have witnessed her anxiety causing relationship issues in the past and would rather err on the side of caution. Sometimes avoiding anxiety-triggering situations is a good way to deal wth anxiety.

Onwards and upwards...
 
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Rutrho, I'd say to hell with them and better things are coming.

It's so stupid that musicians bag people with the same labels as civilians, but it obviously happens. I worked with a fabulous drummer who was a gay woman, I loved playing with her, but all the Cro-Magnons I worked with took forever to figure out why they were getting nowhere with her after work, only then to start all the whispers . . . . I left when she did. Nitwits.

You'd think this guy would have took her aside and explained she had nothing to worry about !

I love women in a band, and sorry for this rocky patch.

My very best to you and yours.
 

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