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Ampeg Isovent - Jack Plate Circuit Board.

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Actually, any of us can tell you what to do and likewise "Too bad."

This last post started out great until the admonitions at the end. I liked your experimentation and I like your gear. Would love to have most of it.

You admitted that the resonance was likely from the cabinet- this information was given
to you freely by an actual expert in amp and cabinet design...in the first 5 replies. Then you still chose to pursue your windmill jousting and ignore and even question, with poor logic, those that know better than you.

But WE are the @$$holes...ok.
 
Actually, any of us can tell you what to do and likewise "Too bad."

This last post started out great until the admonitions at the end. I liked your experimentation and I like your gear. Would love to have most of it.

You admitted that the resonance was likely from the cabinet- this information was given
to you freely by an actual expert in amp and cabinet design...in the first 5 replies. Then you still chose to pursue your windmill jousting and ignore and even question, with poor logic, those that know better than you.

But WE are the @$$holes...ok.

Knock it off.

I heard the advise early on. We just had to wait a few days for the ReWiring to be done before ruling out the circuitry, and along the way we kind of semi detoured along the way.

There is No Need to get bent out of shape over this.

I heard you guys up front.

You have made this both Robustly and Abundantly Clear.

I Got It!, I Got It!, i Got It!

Yea yea yea I Got It!.

Now quit Harping and Fretting over it.

I GOT IT!!!

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Because of you guys, I found out about the new Genzler BA15 rig.

I pretty much have made up my mind that my Next Rig will be a Genz.

I am definitely liking this design.

After taking care of some things, after I catch my breath financially, I am just going to begin calmly and patiently begin saving for a Genzler BA15.

I give you guys all the credit for showing me this new system.

So do NOT think I am NOT listening to you.

I am.

Now cut the crap.

I GOT IT Already.

How many times do I have to say this?

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@Fuzzonaut @agedhorse

This is the current setting via the Mesa.

With the bass' onboard EQ set to detent, in other words No Cut and No Boost, except for rolling off the Highs, and the Mesa set this way, the Isovent sounds really good.

The F Bomb is just about gone.

It sounds Really Good.

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Okay here is my Honest Opinion.

After testing an Ampeg Folded Horn last weekend, which seemed to be a little Intense around C3, basically what I think is, these cabinets aren't perfect, and maybe relative to Better Balanced gear, it becomes a bit more noticable when the sound either diminishes or intensifies in these older cabs.

Yes the removal of the circuitry seems to have done something, but in all Honesty, this Isovent seems to be a little E and F Centric, with a bit of added vibrancy in this region, and after the past week or so, I have gotten to the point where I just Don't Give a Crap Anymore.

It is just the way these cabs are.

When initially testing, I used the Mesa Walkabout with all EQ settings at the 12 O'clock, and yes the Isovent seemed somewhat more balanced, but I will be Honest in saying, the Es and Fs do ringout with a bit of unusual vibrancy than with maybe more normal cabinets.

So you guys Win, anyway to a degree, but NOT entirely because the removal of the circuitry did have an effect, and the Isovent does seem a little more balanced than before.

What is the upshot of all this?

Besides taking some flak from you guys, and learning something useful, what exactly I don't know, I have sort of an idea of what I am going to do going forwards.

You guys kept recommending a Parametric EQ and HPF.

As it happens, the Rolls Parametric has both, and for a minimal investment, I can get one of these, and use it.

I probably will.

Now remember the Walkabout has a Semi Parametric EQ, which I quickly adjusted towards giving me an idea of what to do, but the Rolls offers a far greater amount of surgical precision, so after taking care of something in the very near future, I will get a Rolls RPQ and try that.

Maybe later on I will try using one of these advanced new digital power amps just as a learning toy.

I sometimes do this.

For having around the house, or maybe taking it over to a friend's place for practice, the Isovent will work well.

Given this experience, one thing this Isovent has done is to further develop Keener Ears, which means I will probably be a much harder sell when considering plunking down some serious money on Some Serious New Gear.

I will admit many of these Newer Speaker Sound Systems are better balanced, and via new advancements via digitial control, have produced newer capabilities which I think maybe many today just take for granted. In other words, when something sounds good - nobody notices, but it is only when something sounds Bad that people tend to notice, and this actually becomes a good useful learning tool for Developing Ears.

As it stands now, the Isovent is here at home with my wife and I, as currently dialed in sounds good, and it actually tends to bring out a good quality of my bass when playing through it.

After this exhaustive week to 10 days with all if you, I am just NOT going to sweat it, I think as dialed in it sound reasonably good, and currently I have some important Irons in the Fire to attend to.

You will be surprised.

As to the Switch Jacks, for Safety's Sake, more than anything else, my friend chose to use one Switch Jack, and NOT two, so that NO Accidents happen. If one plugs into the right most jack, the Isovent is put into Full Mode, and if plugged into the left jack, the the Isovent it put into Sub only Mode, and in this way there is always a load that the amplifier will see.

And that's it. I now have my basic ol' Isovent, and aside from playing around with a Para EQ, and probably maybe down the road, with a more advanced digitial amplifier, this is our Isovent.

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Ampeg Isovent - Jack Plate Circuit Board.
 
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Given the era, the TKO-115 was a cool little workhorse if you didn't mind carting around a box that felt like it was full of bricks ;)

We're all ears eyes! (we certainly could use some new blood, here). :)

Why?

You can always play guitar through a bass cabinet but you can't always play a bass through a guitar cabinet.

So why the TKO?

Maaaaaan, you guys are giving me the validation I’ve been craving here...oh boy oh boy oh boy!!!

I play a Squier Strat-shaped little cheapo crap-stick with one humbucker and a hardtail bridge. I play in sort of a twangy Telecaster open-strings-ringing style. So there’s item # 1...I emit a lot of overtones. I emit a lot of bright.

Item # 2 is, the Teal-stripe era TKO (early 90s?) has a lot of active EQ and an effective bright switch. You can shape the bejesus out of useful guitar frequencies. It stays pretty clean anywhere below 9 on the pre gain knob. I like 7, where it does get a little hair on it when you lay into it, using a humbucker into the high gain input. So with your ears turned on and some time at the controls, you can
keep it out of dull/woofy/boxy town and get a bright jangly tone that will snarl a little. Think REM “The One I Love” or maybe Petty’s “Mary Jane’s Last Dance.” Just past clean is my jam.

Item # 3 is, the Scorpion 15 speaker may not be much of a heavy-duty bass driver but it can put across enough upper mids and highs to sound lively with guitar. It is heavy-duty enough to never get farty and outta shape, so at high pre and post gain settings it has some slam in its wham. It
Seems to hit pretty hard if you play
percussive things. But not with shrill, tooth-shattering, tinsel-rammed-in-your-ears transient artifacts. I think the Scorpion 15’s frequency response is supposed to be 40Hz-2kHz, but it doesn’t sound like it’s buried under a moving blanket to me.

Finally, the amp’s response to input at high volume settings feels great. It seems “fast,” like a tight high-headroom amp, but there’s a detectable non-linearity in its response that just hints at the feel of tube power stage compression. It’s not squishy, but it’s got some “give”...a much different feel than my really tight, fast, linear Special 150 guitar combo (which is basically a
late 80s Bandit with twice the power).

I don’t know if the “give” is the DDT starting to provide noticeable limiting effects, or if the Scorpion starts to go non-linear without sounding ratty, or if I’m taxing the power supply or what, but it feels uniquely great to me. Still clean enough to sound good with extended chords, but with dynamic response that makes me feel like I am rockin the F out.

Downsides: Tall, heavy, awkward to
carry. Huge thread-ending potential.
 
The DDT circuit was, IMO, a significant part of the Peavey sound and also of Peavey's success in the solid state market back then. The developer of that circuit, Jack Sondermeyer, never had any idea how iconic that approach would become.
 
The DDT circuit was, IMO, a significant part of the Peavey sound and also of Peavey's success in the solid state market back then. The developer of that circuit, Jack Sondermeyer, never had any idea how iconic that approach would become.

I’m encouraged that maybe it’s not my imagination that I am hearing the DDT working; that it has a sound.

My little bass rig is powered by a Peavey M-3000 mono power amp, which I think is the “back half” of some of the Mark Series bass heads and also the Combo 300 and some powered mixer heads...but mounted in a rack box. Anyway, it has DDT, I get into the clip/DDT light a lot and I think I detect a likeable sense of compression/limiting in the sound of that too.
 
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I recall that the M-3000 amp uses a modified PA-400 module (or variant), it runs pretty hot in part because of losses in the power transformer. Same for the M-2600. We used to remove the DDT switch so that users couldn't bypass the limiting on installations where we provided a warranty.
 
Would it work harder/run hotter running a full or partial mix through monitors or PA speaker’s than it would only running a bass guitar signal?

I ask because after a few hours of playing with the DDT light on a lot (blinks on most of the lower notes) I can comfortably rest my hand on the heat sink, which is slightly warm to the touch.

Sharp, though.
 
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What is causing the F Bomb?

Last time I checked, you claimed removing the crossover fixed the problem. What happened? Did you check the cab at your friends house and get no F Bomb? Then when you brought the cab home, the F Bomb returned? Perhaps your room has a resonance that is excited by the Isovent.

I would take the cab outdoors and test with a tone generator. I like this one Online Tone Generator - Free, Simple and Easy to Use. and it works great with Firefox. Obviously there are better tools to test the cab with, but a frequency sweep and your ears outdoors should be able to identify if the cab has any massive frequency response anomalies. If it does, disconnect the 15s and test the 10s in the cab. Next disconnect the 10s and test the 15s in the cab. Testing the drivers out of the cab doesn't really tell you anything useful IMHO. You need to know how the drivers behave when they are loaded in the cab.

In particular I think it would be useful to determine if the problem is at 44hz or 87hz. If the problem is in your room, perhaps you can reproduce it with some of your other cabs using the tone generator.
 
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@Fuzzonaut @delta7fred @agedhorse

Okay swapped the Mesa for the GK, futzed with the dials, and I wasn't impressed.

Later my wife and I did a listening test, and with all settings at the 12 Oclock, we tried various pieces of gear, but with the Isovent, the F Bomb Wolftone was present in the Mesa, GK, and Ampeg.

I then tested dialing a good sound with each, the GK, Mesa, and Ampeg, and found the Ampeg could dial out the F Bomb the best, while dialing in a good strong sound, she liked the Mesa best, and I liked the Ampeg best.

Afterwards, I reconnected the Mesa, futzed with it, and dialed in a good sound via the Mesa. Because the Isovent tends to be a little intense via the 210s, since I am NOT Bi-Amping at this point, I rolled off the Mids via my fretless six' onboard EQ, and this premitted me to dial in a fairly good balanced sound via the Mesa.

I am very satisfied with how the Mesa is sounding.

To my mind the Ampeg SVP did the best, but I am NOT going to go burning over a thousand watts while practicing, and since the Mesa did get a good sound, I will probably stick to using the Mesa for the time being.

Probably later on I will try the Rolls RPQ option, but for now I have other things pressing to attend to financially, so I am in no rush to get the Rolls RPQ at this point.

The Mesa is doing well enough as it is.

Maybe down the road I will get a Crown Digital Amplifier, or do something crazy like getting two Ampeg PF amplifiers for a double decker system for Bi-Amping, or maybe maybe maybe, but for now the Mesa has a good dialed in sound, and I am good with it for now.

What is causing the F Bomb?

Probably the Resonant Frequency of the cabinet, maybe the Fs Value of these speaker cones, maybe a combination of the two. Since we are now dealing with straight wiring with No Circuitry, this rules out circuitry, and since the F Bomb prevails through three different amplifiers, and with two different basses, then probably the problem is with the cabinet.

Anyway I am happy with this Odd Oddity called the Isovent, and I am just going to keep it around the house, and have fun practicing through it.

Maybe I will do a gig or two with it but actually I am disinclined to move it very much.

Oh and by the way, if anybody doesn't like this thread, they are Free to get off of it.

I am NOT doing anything with this thread for a while.

And you don't tell me what to do.

If you DON'T like it then too bad.

See the settings in the photos.

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It seems like you/ve done everything to this cabinet as far as I can see by your responces here.
Except for one thing. Did you check the structural integrity of the cabinet itself?
 
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