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Are Landing basses THAT good?

Sound clip! The first passage is Jamiroquai's 'We're Too Young to Die', the second is Marley's 'So Much Trouble in the World". Everyone always deprecates their playing, but really, mine is not very good. I think the tone came across, though.

bass clip.mp3 - 0.75MB

The nut on my p is a little off, so that phaseyness is due to the A string not sitting quite right. Disclaimer, disclaimer... anyway, that's what it sounds like! '84 MIJ Squier P, Nordstrand NP4, DR Sunbeams light gauge .40-.100
 
Sound clip! The first passage is Jamiroquai's 'We're Too Young to Die', the second is Marley's 'So Much Trouble in the World". Everyone always deprecates their playing, but really, mine is not very good. I think the tone came across, though.

bass clip.mp3 - 0.75MB

The nut on my p is a little off, so that phaseyness is due to the A string not sitting quite right. Disclaimer, disclaimer... anyway, that's what it sounds like! '84 MIJ Squier P, Nordstrand NP4, DR Sunbeams light gauge .40-.100

Dude, that sounded awesome! You play better than I do haha! You're right, that pup has great tone and clarity.

I emailed Jimmy and asked about a semitransparent blond finish and here's what he said..

"Sure………… I do true blonde finishes that are transparent. I did a wonderful 34” L4T last year in Fender Blonde that has 2 Dark Star pickups. That bass is as sweet as cane sugar and I did a faux burst on it by making the edges less translucent and more opaque. It is a neat trick that adds dimension."

Thoughts?

Oh btw, that L32P didn't sell the guy who wanted it just disappeared after ordering it.
 
Oh MAN, that is pretty much my DREAM bass right there! If you get one, I'm coming over to play it! (Let's see, plane tickets :D)

I have a 50th anniversary strat with that semi-trans blond finish with the fade to opaque around the edges, just like Jimmy said, and I still can't get over how lovely it is. The edges and sides of the bass are full blond, but on the flat front and back of the bass you get this subtle wood grain effect seeping through, and it fades out towards the edges... It's really a lovely thing to behold, and one of those instruments I still can't believe I own. I've never been much of a 'finish whore' until I got this guitar. My girlfriend jokes that it's the real reason she's with me... :eyebrow:

Darkstars are pretty pimp, too. That bass Jimmy was talking about was probably a mojo magnet.

BTW Jade, just was reading back through this thread and noticed you mentioned your Birdsong Cortobass. I'm always interested in hearing reviews of them since I've considered one for myself. How do you feel about the Birdsong?
 
Hi Torin
The photos didn't show.....maybe it's my PC?

How do you like that BX 1500, enought headroom?

This is what Jimmy sent me today.

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Upon my request he is going to re-shape the headstock to more closely resemble the tele headstock. Something like this...
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I deleted the post. I forgot that if pics are not hosted on a site like photobucket, they wont show on TB.

The BX1500 has tons of headroom. I am running it at 900w at 8 ohms, but it is capable of 1500w at 4 ohms.

I quite like the tone of the bx1500. However, when my LDS 1-12 stack is ready I *might* end up selling my BX1500 and LDS 15/6 in a couple months. I really like a 112 stack (light and close to my ears). If I do sell the bx1500 I will try a gk mb500 which is something like 3.75LBS and plenty loud. I use my VT Bass to shape the tone of any amp I use these days. Not sure about all this though. I just dont know how much use the bx1500 / 15.6 rig will see.
 
Geeez Man.....you kill me.....lol......selling it already? You just got it !!!!
LOL
Well, I got me a couple of new pedals
Xotic BB Bass (really nice)
DHA VT1-EQ (I haven't received it yet though it's in the mail - can't wait)

GAS it's a never ending thing ....but I'm getting really happy with what I have now
 
More soundclips! For giggles, I recorded this little loop using Reason, the aformentioned strat and my trusty p-bass from the last clip. This recording I had the tone knob back a little over half for a nice fat growl. At the end you can hear a few slaps (I don't think this bass is "the" slap bass, but I do like the way this bass sounds slapped - just kind of thick). It's fun to get a little gratuitous...

funky loop.mp3 - 2.14MB

EDIT: the bass isn't overly forward in this mix, so you may want to grab some headphones if you're rocking laptop speakers...
 
Oh MAN, that is pretty much my DREAM bass right there! If you get one, I'm coming over to play it! (Let's see, plane tickets :D)

I have a 50th anniversary strat with that semi-trans blond finish with the fade to opaque around the edges, just like Jimmy said, and I still can't get over how lovely it is. The edges and sides of the bass are full blond, but on the flat front and back of the bass you get this subtle wood grain effect seeping through, and it fades out towards the edges... It's really a lovely thing to behold, and one of those instruments I still can't believe I own. I've never been much of a 'finish whore' until I got this guitar. My girlfriend jokes that it's the real reason she's with me... :eyebrow:

Darkstars are pretty pimp, too. That bass Jimmy was talking about was probably a mojo magnet.

BTW Jade, just was reading back through this thread and noticed you mentioned your Birdsong Cortobass. I'm always interested in hearing reviews of them since I've considered one for myself. How do you feel about the Birdsong?

I know I'm druling just thinking about it! A short scale P-bass in true semitransparent blond with a faux burst with either a quarter pounder or NP4 pup sweet! Oh and I think you could find a way up here if you really wanted to lol!

My Birdsong? Well, I love it because it has very low action (it's strung through the body) and it has a 5 position varitone switch instead of a standard tone knob which gives you a lot of versitility. Oh, and did I mention that it is very light only about 8 lbs and it's 31" scale. I like the slight V that Scott puts on his necks and all his basses are natural no paint on them at all. Mine is a two piece cherry body with a maple neck, rosewood fretboard, gold hardware, ebony nut, and a rosewood control plate. I installed a Hipshot D-tuner after I got it. I'll see if I can get a picture of it for you if you would like.
The only issue that I am having currently is that it doesn't like to stay in tune. It always seems to be a bit flat and I've had one of the screws back out of the bridge but other than that it's a rock solid bass.
 
Scott at Birdsong is definitely more rigid and less accomodating than Landing. After about three emails with Scott regarding a Birdsong I had in mind, Scott stopped answering my emails. I felt that was not very courteous of him. Before I outlay $2000 for a bass I am going to ask some questions. When that happened I realized he is not the builder I want to work with. I am also not enthused about the Birdsong pickup choice, but I guess its his baby. I chose something else.

Was just informed of this and given a link, I don't get on here much but hello from Scott at Birdsong. If "BASSIST" is Torin, hi - the last email from you I got after tallying up the requests of yours I could accomodate and explaining the rest I wouldn't (wenge neck, controls mounted invisibly - no holes - inside the rear cavity, etc. etc.), was that the bass would have been (in 2008) almost $3000 Canadian and that would take some serious thought.

This was after many emails through '07 - '08 and a custom thumbrest I made you for your Jazz bass (something I don't normally do)...

After the "I'll think about it" email I responded with some ideas that could bring the price down for you and THAT was our last communication. I do not generally "stop communicating with" people. :) Though often times it takes a few days to get back to an email and occasionally one gets swallowed by SPAM filters (inboxes of public companies get swamped by this stuff), and sometimes folks are less than pleased when I won't modify everything I do to suit their every desire, please give all of us independent builders the courtesy of a re-send or even a phone call (we're all easy to find) if you think we haven't answered your questions or responded fully. I spend hours on the phone & answering emails when I'm not butt deep in woodchips.

On behalf of all independent builders, thank you for your support - to the thread poster, I am sure you'll be happy with the work of all builders mentioned. Just please read their site and understand what they do - that's your part of this all. If any seem unwilling or unaccomodating, it might just be that, like chefs, we have our recipes that we know work, like to cook a consistent and refined dish, and thus we offer our best to you rather than experimenting & redesigning something every time.

You can be sure for any independent luthier this is a labor of love - there are much easier paths to take in life & luthiery than this and I doubt any of us go out of our way to be unaccomodating, blow you off, or just be difficult. I know I can speak for other too when I say you DO mean a lot to we builders as individuals, as players with needs we may be able to help with, but please understand there are dozens of you and one of us.

I would further encourage anyone with questions for any builder to contact them directly for the most accurate answers and a first-hand feel for their demeanor and customer service (while factoring in what I said above, please).

Ok, back to work for me. :) Thank you for this forum where I can occasionally respond to the rare post of this sort. BASSIST I am glad you found your bass, play in peace brother. And the same love & peace to all of you.:bassist:
 
Wow, the Birdsinger himself! Thanks for your input, Scott! Really nice when a builder shows up on TB to say hello. BTW, I'm coming to pay you a visit sooner or later in Wimberly... I'm in Austin and it would be crime for me to pass up an opportunity to see your shop!
 
AND... I'm officially a Landing owner! I held off for a little while before posting this so I'd have my thoughts together on it. It's an LDS2 32", and I can say unequivocally that it's a lovely instrument! First things first, the neck: I think this may be my favorite bass neck so far. It's for me the kind of neck that just 'disappears' when I'm playing - I don't think about it, and I can just play. It's thinnish with a subtle hint of 'V' shape. The finish on it is satiny smooth and lovely, and very minimal. It feels almost unfinished. It holds tune well and doesn't neck dive (!!!). Halleluja! The finish on the body is very subtle - olympic white with just a hint of the grain showing through in places. It's pretty! And the tone... this is my first bass with Darkstars, and the only way I can describe the tone is authoritative! It's clean, clear, balanced and strong. It's like the .357 Magnum of bass tones. Overall this bass has a high level of polish. It doesn't feel 'super boutique' - it just feels sweet and solid. For around the same price as a new American Fender Deluxe, this bass is really a steal. And for the used price I got it for... I'll just say that the guy who sold it to me knew he was doing me a favor. Jimmy has been really incredible on the customer service end, too - he sent me a replacement backplate for free and spent a while talking to me about the instrument. AFAIK he remembers every instrument he's ever made and stands behind them 100%.

Overall, I have nothing but good things to say about Jimmy Wilson and this Landing bass so far.
 

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Here is a screenshot of a search of Birdsong on my gmail account.

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Scott and I had one conversation about an HY5 in 12/17/08. Its the one with 12 email exchanges (meaning 6 emails each). Then another email exchange in 1/10/09 in which I sent an email trying again to get the thing going. Scott replied to the initial email. I sent a reply email which was this

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Hi Scott

I've decided I am going to go thru with this. I have a good part of the cost saved up and I want to buy a Birdsong.

Here is my ideal bass:

- maple/rosewood neck
- rosewood lam top with mahogany body
- one darkstar pickup located in the 'sweet spot'... about 2.5 inches below the bottom edge of the neck (?)
- one volume pot, one tone pot > nothing else
- black hardware
- no pickguard

How does that sound? I can put down $1000 deposit if you like.

What would the total cost be?

take care
torin
but I got no email response from Scott after that.

Maybe the request of the Darkstar pickup was not acceptable to Scott and I can appreciate that. He has a good idea of the bass he wants to produce and he doesnt want to stray too far from that. Again totally understandable.

We also had a number of emails about the purchase of a thumbrest for a p-bass. He did a great job on that and I still use it very regularly.

Anyway, I recognize Scott has a business to run and a reputation to protect. I also do not deny that I am picky about what I want when I am spending $2000+ on a product. I am willing to bet that from time to time bass builders get emails from some buyers who ask alot of questions but then dont follow thru with the purchase... meaning they wasted the builders time. I can appreciate that might seem like a pain in the ass to the builder. But again when someone is spending $2000+ on a product I dont fault them for asking questions and being particular.

Anyway, the whole thing is no big deal really. I just wanted to explain my side of things. Scott makes an excellent bass product and I wish him great success.
 
Here is a screenshot of a search of Birdsong on my gmail account.

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Scott and I had one conversation about an HY5 in 12/17/08. Its the one with 12 email exchanges (meaning 6 emails each). Then another email exchange in 1/10/09 in which I sent an email trying again to get the thing going. Scott replied to the initial email. I sent a reply email which was this

but I got no email response from Scott after that.

Maybe the request of the Darkstar pickup was not acceptable to Scott and I can appreciate that. He has a good idea of the bass he wants to produce and he doesnt want to stray too far from that. Again totally understandable.

We also had a number of emails about the purchase of a thumbrest for a p-bass. He did a great job on that and I still use it very regularly.

Anyway, I recognize Scott has a business to run and a reputation to protect. I also do not deny that I am picky about what I want when I am spending $2000+ on a product. I am willing to bet that from time to time bass builders get emails from some buyers who ask alot of questions but then dont follow thru with the purchase... meaning they wasted the builders time. I can appreciate that might seem like a pain in the ass to the builder. But again when someone is spending $2000+ on a product I dont fault them for asking questions and being particular.

Anyway, the whole thing is no big deal really. I just wanted to explain my side of things. Scott makes an excellent bass product and I wish him great success.

If it's no big deal why do you keep chewing on this?

I am bored with this and consider this thread Hijacked. There a 3 sides to every story. Yours the other guys and the truth.
 
Beautiful bass. Can you tell us about the controls?

Thanks! Actually, this picture is the body shot from when it was first built before it was shipped to the original buyer. It has since been modified to have only a tone, a volume and a three-way pickup selector switch. According to him, it shipped with an independent volume and tone knob for each pickup, plus a master volume for the whole circuit. A pretty cool setup, really, but I agree with him that I probably wouldn't have benefitted from the options that much. Iit also has a space routed out for a preamp should I want to install one... lots of options!
 
Last year, I was almost on the point of ordering a Landing, but I was laid off, so it'll have to wait until the end of this year. I found I was better off with short scale after buying my SX P-clone shortie as an experiment. It turned out that short scale was an answer to my hand problems. I had my technique on my 34" scale P-bass Squier checked out by a good instructor recently and he saw only minor problems with my left hand, but it pretty constantly gives me pain now while playing it for any long periods. When playing the SX, no pain, but it's not so great a bass, action is a bit high and the G string always sounds weak. I want one well-built bass in my stable, so back to the Landing. One problem I have is I can't quite make up my mind which model. There are so few sound clips, and I want something that's flexible but able to give a good P-bass thump (I play flats, and the SX sounds good here except for the weak G). I've heard other Darkstar-equipped basses on YouTube and through that an LDS2 seems very attractive, but I also wonder if the L3 can give me both the thump and some flexibility in case I want to try a different sound in the future without having to buy a different bass. I've never played an active bass, and EMGs seem to engender a real love/hate relationship. Any thoughts?
 
A couple things...

1. Beware that the DS do have a midrange thing going on that some may not like. Its unlike any other pup I've heard

2. One thing you might consider if money is still tight is the SX shortscale jazz bass with different pickups. I have one and have a set of DiMarzio Model Js in it. Sounds very good and full. The Model Js have pole pieces which are adjustable in terms of height so you can get every string perfect. If you bring the bass to a good luthier he should be able to set it up with low action. You might have to have the nut filed or replaced and I'd also think a fret dressing would be a good idea.

As to the Landing models I would email Jimmy. He is a great guy and very helpful. He will likely be able to answer questions better than anybody.

BTW, I put active EMGs in an SX ss P I really liked the tone. Very clear sounding. However, I've never been a fan of active basses and the hassle with batteries so I swapped it.

Good luck.