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AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...

I'm doing the waffle shuffle.

I've got one H-1203T and absolutely love it.

I've got another one on order.

But something in me says get the C-112T instead for both the basement rehearsal space as well as for doubling up with the H-1203T in medium-sized venues.

Not sure how the C112T paired with the H1203T would sound, but it can't be that bad hey?! :woot:

It's a nice dilemma to have. :D
Ya together it ain't to bad. Haha
You'll be happy either way.
I hardly ever use both at the same time cause its overkill.
 
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I'm doing the waffle shuffle.

I've got one H-1203T and absolutely love it.

I've got another one on order.

But something in me says get the C-112T instead for both the basement rehearsal space as well as for doubling up with the H-1203T in medium-sized venues.

Not sure how the C112T paired with the H1203T would sound, but it can't be that bad hey?! :woot:

It's a nice dilemma to have. :D

Trust me, they pair beautifully :)

If it were me and I had the choice of one or the other, I would go Changeling just because it gives you that little something extra. But there's really not a HUGE difference in them. The Changeling just gives you more of that 'comes from everywhere' sound.
 
Guys, it is SO good to be back!

My 1st-gen Thunderchild has been idle for 2 or three years now.

My primary gig for the last 9 years has been a Christian artist who plays a n a local church and performs for a lot of conferences.

We went IEM’s and silent stage a while back, and man, what an adjustment that was!

I went through a lot of gear trying to get a FOH sound that I felt was representative of what I was getting from my Canadian-made Dingwall, plugged into a G-K MB Fusion 500, and then into Duke’s cab.

My reference was still the G-K/AudioKinesis combo, but it was gathering more and more dust as I got my DI rig ironed out. The final nail in the coffin was when we picked up a top of the line Roland digital drum kit, and when the conference gigs started to dry up in 2018.

Anyway, that’s all behind now, at least for the time being. I have an immune-compromised son with Cystic Fibrosis, and my mom’s in a nursing home, so when the folks at our church decided that COVID was a hoax, I had to stop playing out with a group of people who weren’t willing to mask up to protect my family.

After about a month of downtime, I just picked up a gig at a church that does the mask thing, and I have a couple of other offers on the table.

I played an evening service last night with acoustic drums and congas, keys and acoustic guitar plus 3 vocalists.

Very old school, with me mostly carrying the room along with a DI out for the live stream, and left and right monitor feeds to four wedges.

The other players were all knocked out by the Dingwall/AuduoKinesis package. I don’t know how much exposure they’d had to 5-string bass before, but it went over big with them.

I was having trouble hearing the guitar, but MAN, was it great to be feeling the bass in my chest again, with almost enough stage level to carry a medium-sized hall!

Duke, you’re a monster!

Even with my HX Stonp patches finely tuned and going into a good PA with large subs just under the front lip of the stage, it was nothing like playing with live acoustic percussion and an amp on stage.

it was so good to be balancing my real amp against real percussionists again!

All of this, in a one-trip carry that can easily fit into a small hatchback with ample room left over for at least 2 other passengers.

Life is good.
 
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Guys, it is SO good to be back!

My 1st-gen Thunderchild has been idle for 2 or three years now.

My primary gig for the last 9 years has been a Christian artist who plays a n a local church and performs for a lot of conferences.

We went IEM’s and silent stage a while back, and man, what an adjustment that was!

I went through a lot of gear trying to get a FOH sound that I felt was representative of what I was getting from my Canadian-made Dingwall, plugged into a G-K MB Fusion 500, and then into Duke’s cab.

My reference was still the G-K/AudioKinesis combo, but it was gathering more and more dust as I got my DI rig ironed out. The final nail in the coffin was when we picked up a top of the line Roland digital drum kit, and when the conference gigs started to dry up in 2018.

Anyway, that’s all behind now, at least for the time being. I have an immune-compromised son with Cystic Fibrosis, and my mom’s in a nursing home, so when the folks at our church decided that COVID was a hoax, I had to stop playing out with a group of people who weren’t willing to mask up to protect my family.

After about a month of downtime, I just picked up a gig at a church that does the mask thing, and I have a couple of other offers on the table.

I played an evening service last night with acoustic drums and congas, keys and acoustic guitar plus 3 vocalists.

Very old school, with me mostly carrying the room along with a DI out for the live stream, and left and right monitor feeds to four wedges.

The other players were all knocked out by the Dingwall/AuduoKinesis package. I don’t know how much exposure they’d had to 5-string bass before, but it went over big with them.

I was having trouble hearing the guitar, but MAN, was it great to be feeling the bass in my chest again, with almost enough stage level to carry a medium-sized hall!

Duke, you’re a monster!

Even with my HX Stonp patches finely tuned and going into a good PA with large subs just under the front lip of the stage, it was nothing like playing with live acoustic percussion and an amp on stage.

it was so good to be balancing my real amp against real percussionists again!

All of this, in a one-trip carry that can easily fit into a small hatchback with ample room left over for at least 2 other passengers.

Life is good.

hi steve. good to see you. sounds like you have a number of challenges on your plate, exacerbated by these times.

playing with live musicians with an amp. what a concept.
 
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Hey Steubig, what happened to your web site?

yeah, well. got bored with keeping it up, it was a hot mess of too much extraneous information and i didn’t have the energy to redo it, and it was hosted by a record company i was part of, but that went away.

voila, no website.

maybe i’ll redo as some point.
 
I'm curious how many of you AK owners carry port plugs to gigs and try out different variations of plug in/out and switch up/down. It seems like extra stuff I wouldn't want to play around with at a gig. Anyone just leaving them out all the time and happy like that?

Yep, 99% of the time, although in very challenging rooms occasionally I'll bring one along and experiment.
 
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I'm curious how many of you AK owners carry port plugs to gigs and try out different variations of plug in/out and switch up/down. It seems like extra stuff I wouldn't want to play around with at a gig. Anyone just leaving them out all the time and happy like that?

Re. switches, 99.5% of the time, with the Hathor 1203, I leave both up and am happy that way, though I could absolutely see myself flicking one or both down if going for something more old school (the only setting I'm not so fond of is treble up, mids down, but I know some folks like that). In any case, that's nothing more to carry and can be easier (quicker, certainly) and more effective than fiddling with amp EQ.

Re. plugs, with my older, one-port Hathor, I leave the plug in and, depending on the room, take it out and set it behind the cab when I get there. It's there if I want it but, yeah, it is a little something you could forget.

With the newer, 3-port Hathor, I've got more tuning options but more little somethings. I haven't had that one out as much as the older one, yet, but I don't see myself doing a ton of experimenting. Maybe, if I had the time, but I think I've got a decent feel for how the different tunings react and, if I need more or less of something, can add or subtract accordingly. If I left all the plugs at home and got somewhere, I'd still have a very good, fixed-tuning, ported cab -- not like I'm any worse off than most people with very good ported cabs. If I forget some or all of the plugs somewhere, the next folks on stage have something interesting to talk about and I can replace them easily enough at most hardware stores. They don't have to be the little orange kind, either -- the kind with two metal plates, a wingnut, and a rubber washer that squeezes out when the wingnut is tightened work, too (at least one did in my one-port Hathor when I tried it).

For what it's worth, I've been liking the newer Hathor sealed or with one port open at home and think I'd dig it that way in most smaller venues. From experience with the older (one-port) Hathor, though, I would probably open it up fully if trying to carry a bigger room with it.
 
I'm curious how many of you AK owners carry port plugs to gigs and try out different variations of plug in/out and switch up/down. It seems like extra stuff I wouldn't want to play around with at a gig. Anyone just leaving them out all the time and happy like that?

Mine is a Birdhaus 48, but I decided pretty quickly it worked best in my situation with both plugs out (rock, fingerstyle 4-string P-bass with flats, smallish power amp at 210 watts). My cab doesn’t have a switch, but it does have a passive circuit inside to passively add some bright. I defeated that (easily reversible) because it seemed to work better in my situation like that.

Right before the dark times of pestilence and isolation hit, I got a significantly more powerful amp, but barely got to use it before band world shut down. At some point I will have to re-evaluate the plugs and brightness-adder with the new gear to see what works best.

All that being said, I never leave the plugs out when I’m not playing, because I worry about mice. I lost a Celestion G10S50 to mouse damage once. I really liked that speaker.
 
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I bring the ports to every gig and add or subtract as necessary. I keep them in the cab, the cover fits with them in and once at the gig I put the ones I don’t need in my amp bag so I don’t lose them.
Good idea (and more succinct than my reply).

I like having fewer things to carry and think about, too, but I think that the advantages of the plugs (which you don't have to fiddle with) outweigh the disadvantages, overall.
 
I'm curious how many of you AK owners carry port plugs to gigs and try out different variations of plug in/out and switch up/down. It seems like extra stuff I wouldn't want to play around with at a gig. Anyone just leaving them out all the time and happy like that?
I didn’t bother with the port plugs for all the years I used my TC115, ver 1. After getting my TC115-UFT, I’ve been more diligent at trying plug combinations. Generally, I like all plugs in for smaller venues (lounges, ballrooms, etc.) and all plugs out for bigger spaces (event centers, outdoor stages, etc.). YMMV though.
 
I'm curious how many of you AK owners carry port plugs to gigs and try out different variations of plug in/out and switch up/down. It seems like extra stuff I wouldn't want to play around with at a gig. Anyone just leaving them out all the time and happy like that?
You said a mouthful, brohaem. I have a pair of the last single port H1203s. Only one decision - open or closed. I love Duke & all my AKs to death but a lot of the elaborations in search of that final 3% of tone reflect Duke's hi-fi background vs. gigging. Perfectly understandable.
 
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I'm curious how many of you AK owners carry port plugs to gigs and try out different variations of plug in/out and switch up/down. It seems like extra stuff I wouldn't want to play around with at a gig. Anyone just leaving them out all the time and happy like that?
I've never needed them in good rooms. But any time that I'm headed out to a new venue or new situation, I bring them along just in case.

It's not a night and day difference with the first-gen Thunderchild, but both plugs in can be quite helpful in a boomy hall.
 
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Hi all,
I've been looking at these AK cabs pretty seriously lately to replace my 2 semi-janky 112s I've been using for years. I'm looking at two of the Hathor 1203T models maybe stacked on their sides to possibly accommodate a wide amp.

I play with several different amps ranging from 100w tube to 500w SS. So far through my research I have several questions but I haven't been able to answer my biggest question: Do these cabs play well with lower wattage tube heads like say 100w or is that not an ideal combo?

Recently I am favoring a 100w tube head that I want to try to get as much volume from as possible; the amp sounds great but its only 100w so I want to maximize its potential . Would two Hathor cabs be a silly idea or a good one?

Thanks and pardon my AK ignorance.
 
Hi all,
I've been looking at these AK cabs pretty seriously lately to replace my 2 semi-janky 112s I've been using for years. I'm looking at two of the Hathor 1203T models maybe stacked on their sides to possibly accommodate a wide amp.

I play with several different amps ranging from 100w tube to 500w SS. So far through my research I have several questions but I haven't been able to answer my biggest question: Do these cabs play well with lower wattage tube heads like say 100w or is that not an ideal combo?

Recently I am favoring a 100w tube head that I want to try to get as much volume from as possible; the amp sounds great but its only 100w so I want to maximize its potential . Would two Hathor cabs be a silly idea or a good one?

Thanks and pardon my AK ignorance.
Long story short: depends on how loudly you need to play with 100 Watts.

I have, in addition to some more powerful setups, a 150 Watt tube head (Shaw B-150) and a 400 Watt solid-state (well, tube pre + SS power) head (Handbox R-400) that I've been digging a lot. Both sound great with a single Hathor 1203 or a stack (mine are the non-tall versions). Neither will push the cabs to their full output potential, but, even at a moderately efficient 94 dB/W/m per cab, each will cover a lot of gigs in small and medium-sized venues without PA support. The way I think of it, if I'm pushing either amp to its limit, I'll need to bring a second cab sooner than if I was playing with, say, my GBE 1200 (550 Watts at 8 Ohms, 1000 Watts at 4 Ohms, 1200 Watts at 2 Ohms), which is capable of pushing the cabs to their limits. If I'm pushing either amp with 2 cabs, maybe I'll need to bring a third cab, where I could get by with two if I was using a more powerful amp. (I do have a third cab -- a Changeling 112 that I was lucky enough to pick up from the classifieds, but I've not had a chance to play it out or to run the stack of three -- which some of my amps won't do because of the 2.7 Ohm load -- except as a low-volume lark at home.)

I would expect the stack of three to be loud enough for just about anything I could see myself doing, even with a less powerful amp. Too, while the 1203s aren't super-efficient -- and I don't know exactly how they were rated -- they are well-voiced and nicely present in a mix and I've played them next to some cabs that had a much higher claimed efficiency (don't know exactly how they were rated either) that only struck me as a little louder -- not nearly as much so as their rating would have seemed to suggest. I've played a single Hathor without PA support in small bars easy and two with the Handbox (even at 400 Watts) will handle a lot (though, again, not quite as much as with a more powerful amp).

All that said, if you are looking to use less powerful amps and thinking of putting the cabs on their sides, anyway, I suggest looking at the 15" woofer Hathor cabs. Power handling is the same, but one is as efficient as two of the 12" cabs -- maybe even a hair moreso. You could get a stack of two (loud as four of the 12s), or one 15" cab and one 12" cab (loud as three of them -- a non-tall 12 will stack sideways on the 15).

The 15s are wide enough to support a traditional tube amp with some muffin top -- or you can turn them on their sides, if you wish (and the stack will be taller, either way, than with the sideways 1203Ts, which will help you to hear them better).

Photo here shows a 15 and a 12 stacked: AudioKinesis Bass Cabinets Hathor Series

Note: I've not played the 15s, but based on reading about them and having played the 12s -- and your stated goals -- that's what I'd look at -- at least if volume is a concern.
 
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