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Bass with a whammy bar?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by RapierSix, Jan 26, 2008.


  1. 6stringbassist

    6stringbassist

    Jul 9, 2007
    UK.
    Mark King had one fitted to one of his Jaydee basses ages ago. I don't know to any recordings of it, or whether he ever used it live.
     

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  2. BassLife77

    BassLife77

    Nov 13, 2009
    San Diego
    Stanley Clarke had them on a couple of his Alembics in the mid 70's and used them in recordings. He has them on his tenor and piccolo basses also.
     
  3. shakey_slim

    shakey_slim

    Jan 3, 2001
    Spokanistan
    My Alembic Series II
     
  4. I've got a hipshot trem bridge on my jazz bass. It pitches very smoothly, is full floating, and best of all stays in tune as good as any regular bridge. It also has a much smaller profile than the kahler, and without the whammy bar can pass as a regular bridge:

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  5. Alvaro Martín Gómez A.

    Alvaro Martín Gómez A. TalkBass' resident Bongo + cowbell player

    Randy Coven also has also played basses with whammy bars:



    BTW, Randy Coven isn't discussed often at TalkBass and I think he's a great bassist.
     
  6. poppinsmac

    poppinsmac

    Aug 10, 2007
    I'd love to have a fake Bigsby on a bass, just because it would look so bad ass.
     
  7. Darkstrike

    Darkstrike Return Of The King!

    Sep 14, 2007
    Uh, its not fully floating when the bridge is pressing against the body like yours is, when you're not touching the bar.

    Fully floating means its free to move up or down and its only held in place by spring tension and the strings pressure.
     
  8. edot3021

    edot3021

    Jan 29, 2010
    Austin, TX
    I don't remember where I read it because it was over 15 years ago but I remember reading that Les Claypool uses a Kahler tremolo bridge on at least one CT. This lead to me getting a Squire P Bass with Active EMGs and the Kahler. I still have that bass although I don't use it much. I never really felt like I fully utilized the tremolo bar and because it was floating, if I broke a string I would have to tune the remaining 3. I got used to it but it was a pain in the butt. I think I am going to pull that Squire out thanks to this thread.

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  9. I remember Randy in GP mag ads during that time. Having watched that first clip, gee I'm pleased we've moved past the 80s. No offence to Randy. He definitely has chops of steel, but I wasn't feeling the music there. That was the problem with a lot of shedders.
     
  10. The Lurker

    The Lurker

    Aug 16, 2002
    Ankh-Morpork
    You can see it pretty well at 2:33.....
     
  11. superfunk47

    superfunk47

    Sep 9, 2007
    It is full floating. Unless Hipshot's spec page has been lying for years.
     
  12. It is a full floating trem. In those pics, I had just put on some new strings and the tension hadn't really equalized yet, which led to the bridge pulling back until it was touching the body. Once the strings stretch out a bit and the tension equalizes it tends to find it's way back to center, allowing me to pull back as well as pitch forward. I can also adjust the spring tension to bring it back to center if required.

    The only thing that limits how much you can pitch the Hipshot back and forth is how the body is routed. If I had chosen to route the body so that the bridge wouldn't hit against it when pulled back, I could pull it until the strings broke.
     
  13. Darkstrike

    Darkstrike Return Of The King!

    Sep 14, 2007
    Its certaintly possible to be fully floating, in the images he posted, it is not set up as such.
     
  14. John Wentzien

    John Wentzien

    Jun 25, 2007
    Elberta, AL
    Artist:TC Electronic RH450 bass system (original test-pilot)
    John Sauter is the first guy I saw with a whammy.
    He had a "TELE" bass with a modified strat bridge..with "screen-door" springs on it.
    This was back in the mid to late 70's...
    Sauter played bass for Ted Nugent and also took Tim Bogert's place in Cactus for a little while in the late 70's...
     
  15. Darkstrike

    Darkstrike Return Of The King!

    Sep 14, 2007
    Odd, when strings stretch out a bit, like that they usually loose tension... which would have the opposite effect... :eyebrow:

    Yes, I know how the trem works.
     
  16. As I said, it's an equalization process. The strings stretch out, loosening and detuning them, and I tune them back up. After a couple days of regularly retuning the strings, they settle in at the proper tension. Usually by then the trem bridge is back where it's supposed to be in the center. If it's not of course I can always adjust it.

    If you know how a trem works then you should know that just because in the photos the bridge was pressing on one side of the body doesn't mean it's not full floating. And I don't know what you stand to gain by being a blowhard about it.
     
  17. amimbari

    amimbari

    May 6, 2008
    Pittsburgh, PA
    DS is right. A full floater will be from the factory as an upward and downeard bend of equal pitch change. Can you pull up as much as you push down when the strings stretching or whatever allow the bridge to be a 1/2 inch off the body or not? .. If you can, then it is a full floater, if not, then it is not.

    A FloydRose is the best example, it has the body CUTOUT in the back so you can pull up.

    on a BASS a Kahler is the perfect example as the strings sit on a free floating cam in the middle.
     
  18. Darkstrike

    Darkstrike Return Of The King!

    Sep 14, 2007
    Geez, man, chill out, I said its not fully floating when pressing against the body, as it was pictured. Sure you can set it up for that, and it seems you do, and by the way, for it to be fully floating, it does actually have to be able to bend both ways. I haven't yet mastered the art of mind reading, and can only comment on what I see, and what info I'm given, which at the time was a bass with a trem that wasn't set to float, and was claimed to be fully floating. Which of course, you've since cleared up...
     
  19. The fact of the matter is, the bridge is designed and manufactured as a full-floating bridge. My bridge being improperly aligned in a single set of photos does not alter that fact. How I chose to have the body routed does not change that fact. If you intended to only point out that my bridge in those photos was not set up to be fully floating, then that's fine. But obviously, based on the comments, most people interpreted it to mean that the Hipshot bridge itself is not fully floating. There may be people reading this forum who are seriously considering a trem bridge on their basses. I just want it to be clear to every one that the Hipshot is in fact designed as a full-floating bridge.

    I called you a blowhard because you prompted an explanation and then condescendingly declared you knew the answer already when I made my reply. Where I come from people that do that are called blowhards. Just because you know the ins and outs of trem bridges doesn't mean everybody does. This forum is designed in part to spread knowledge and experience, and I don't appreciate being scoffed at for doing so.
     

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