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Big E Speakers Part 4 - Quadraphenia
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- Apr 3, 2003
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I was initially blown away by the even response of the 66, from top to bottom. After spending a bit more time with it, I am even more impressed...
Does your MAS-110 Sub have a LPF built in?
Do you run the MAS-66 full range?
Just trying to figure out how they work together.
The 110 sub does indeed have a LPF built in. 66 runs full open.To be honest---I designed it to go with the Flex top. I'm really glad that Nomatic hipped me to using it with the 66. Gotta get a 110 sub to Tom Bowlus to try with the 66! Hmmmm---maybe an 86?
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Or a 66 and 26, if the wiring/impedance could be made to work. I seem to remember this hypothetical combo being weird for some reason, though. The top 26 would need to be 16 Ohms, wouldn't it? A 16 Ohm 26 and a 5.3 Ohm 66?
The 66 and the 110 sub seem to retain the best qualities of what I like about the 210 flex as far a 3D enveloping bass with slam but with the elegant mids and tight integration of the 6s. The rig sounds Holographic with my Monique 700. I feel for my tone I could not be happier!
Actually, about four other models did come out since what nomatic has became available.Until the next MA cab comes out.
Different Strokes For Different Folks...
The new 66 is not quite as aggressive as the flex mod but what it does best is appear as one large full range speaker which is so even and touch sensitive. I can not hear a crossover point in practice and the warm mids work with my technique really well. I also love how deep the bass extends with those 6" drivers. For loud stuff the 110 sub combined with the 66 adds a portion of the 3D slam of the flex with the warm quick mids and just the right amount of magic pixie dust from the tweeter. I am primarily a studio guy by trade as a bassist so my esthetic is how can I provide a foundation for a track or a singer. I like the midrange to sit right above the kick with warmth with a quick attack envelope and a large tight bass pillow. I feel like this rig gives me a very close approximation with my studio tone.
Interesting reading both this thread and the Sonic Farm 2DI4 thread. Mike keeps coming out with awesome new stuff. The tide of interest du jour is presently on the 6" cabs with Nomatic's post above and the suggestion by lo-freq to stack two 46's. Here are some pics of my present rig (isn't it awful how frequently I'm adjusting).
Two 4 ohm MAS 46's. Four-space shallow effects rack with Furman PL Tuner power strip, Sonic Farm 2DI4 mounted with a makeshift rackmount fashioned from a 2-space blank, and a LabGruppen IPD1200 power amp. The amp is 600w/channel stereo and has complete DSP capability. Although the DSP allows for 10 fully parametric EQ bands per channel I'm running the cabs flat with only a HPF at 35 Hz.
I'd like to hear the 110 sub but this rig as is leaves little to be desired. I'm stunned by the sound of the 2DI4. I was temporarily sidetracked by the MAS 112's and own both versions, the 8 ohm 18 Sound driver and the 4 ohm Faital but I much prefer the 6" cabs after comparisons with the 112's on gigs in many venues. I intend to sell the 112's but I haven't yet posted for sale threads.
Two 4 ohm MAS 46's. Four-space shallow effects rack with Furman PL Tuner power strip, Sonic Farm 2DI4 mounted with a makeshift rackmount fashioned from a 2-space blank, and a LabGruppen IPD1200 power amp. The amp is 600w/channel stereo and has complete DSP capability. Although the DSP allows for 10 fully parametric EQ bands per channel I'm running the cabs flat with only a HPF at 35 Hz.
I'd like to hear the 110 sub but this rig as is leaves little to be desired. I'm stunned by the sound of the 2DI4. I was temporarily sidetracked by the MAS 112's and own both versions, the 8 ohm 18 Sound driver and the 4 ohm Faital but I much prefer the 6" cabs after comparisons with the 112's on gigs in many venues. I intend to sell the 112's but I haven't yet posted for sale threads.
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I have enough toys at my disposal that not many rig pic posts give me serious GAS, but you, sir, have done just that. Wow, what a great rig!
Until the next MA cab comes out.
I think I'm within the CUP to discuss this---
While there have been other models to come out since the inception of the most recent versions of the 6.5" based cabs(Faital 3" mids et al) I'm constantly working to improve things.The changes to the versions that Nomatic and Tom have feature new crossover designs. These are admittedly not huge changes but the voicing of the cabs changes While the basic sound stays the same, especially in the low end---the harmonic balance shifts a bit.
As far as speaker design---to me there are three important elements.
1. Enclosure design---reflex, sealed, horn, MVW or whatever
2. Driver selection---this is really critical.Knowing your intended end results and working with top driver designers can make or break things. While a lot of off-the-shelf drivers can yield world-class results, sometimes you have to go custom.I see really top designers like Duke, Roger Baer, Alex Claber, Jim Bergantino, Andy Lewis--and others really raise the bar as far as bass cabs by intelligently designing and using custom drivers---to very successful ends.
3. Crossover design. Fortunately I'm good friends with Duke. (the Yoda of crossover design). He started out the design of the crossovers on the 6's.I'm getting better at it now and the crossover design on the newer 6's is mine. As Duke taught me---the basic crossover design is the starting point, but you need to measure and listen to refine it. I've found that this can make a HUGE difference.I've seen cabs that use the best drivers fall short as far as ultimate function due to poor crossover design (especially with me!)You need to know your "goalposts" and make crossover design changes to reach them.
To the mods---the reason I posted this was in response to the implications that the MAS66 was an "older" design.I feel that it's within my rights and the CUP to shed some light on this.
Hey Professor - I've never asked: what genre(s) of music are you performing live? Are you still using the BFM Titans or have you gone with MVW technology for your mains?
Hi Ken,
I hope you're doing well!
I play mainly with a 4-piece variety cover band - everything from oldies and classic country to hip hop, dance and pop. We're using JBL SRX 700 mains - two 718 subs and two 712M tops for most gigs and twice that for larger venues. I have a small MVW system for low volume restaurant-type gigs. Two GC25's and a GC 12" Rache sub, built by Leland.
I hope you're doing well!
I play mainly with a 4-piece variety cover band - everything from oldies and classic country to hip hop, dance and pop. We're using JBL SRX 700 mains - two 718 subs and two 712M tops for most gigs and twice that for larger venues. I have a small MVW system for low volume restaurant-type gigs. Two GC25's and a GC 12" Rache sub, built by Leland.
Dominick C.
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Since there are a few folks in here that are somewhat close. We are having a gtg this weekend in Austin. Sunday the 29th at the Oltorf Music Lab. 2pm to 8pm. I will have the 45/46/110s as well as a Hathor 1203 that Duke was kind enough to send us for the weekend. Lots of other cool toys will be around. No pressure, fun chill out time. Come see us if you can.
