I agree Mr. Roboto sucked! But the end of that band was when the kicked out their lead singer ,Dennis De Joung. It was kind of the same thing as Journey without Steve Perry.
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Mr. Roboto was supposedly some big stiff, but the album sold 2.5 million and had two big hit singles. But there was a power struggle between Dennis and Tommy Shaw that ended in them permanently splitting.
No matter how much it sold--that doesn't mean it wasn't a horrible song...
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Best three Styx albums were Pieces of Eight, Cornerstone, and Paradise Theatre. Mr. Roboto was not in any of those.
Pieces of Eight, yes. Cornerstone, maybe, although I prefer Grand Illusion and Crystal Ball. I hated Paradise Theater, though. The only thing I liked was that fancy laser graphic etched into the record
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Wasn't just Shaw - DeYoung had his big theater vibe, and has said that he knew what was best for the group. The others just wanted to play rock. I always thought it was ironic - Shaw was portrayed as the "soft" music guy - I think because of his high voice. I first chose a Ric because of Panazzo.
When I saw Styx, Panozzo had already moved to an Alembic. But yeah, true that it wasn't just Tommy. Personally, I think Dennis should have eased up and relinquished some control. But I think both factions are still pretty great, and I find it pretty funny that Styx now has a Dennis sound-alike playing keys, and Dennis has a Tommy sound-alike playing guitar
Carlos Santana's band leaving him to back Steve Perry and form Journey. I guess Carlos is having the last laugh now. Other than Randy Jackson being on American Idol, what are the rest of them doing now? I think Journey is doing the county fair circuit now.
I think the biggest mistake KISS ever had was deciding to form a band. "Hey guys, we're simplistic players, our songs aren't great, so lets put on all these outrageous costumes, Gene gets his tongue surgically altered, breathes fire and spits up blood on stage, Ace can have his pickup in his guitar burn while he wanks out a mediocre solo distracting the audience so they cheer and think he's a great player, Paul can not wear a shirt showing off his hairy chest and play a strangely shaped guitar painted in silver sparkle (that looks for all the world like a can opener) and we can have 2 different drummers that were pretty much the same. We can rerecord some of the original drummer's songs with the new guy. Since we're in makeup our fans won't even notice."
Gun 'N Roses. Axl could have not been such a prima donna. Of course they were all using pretty heavily, but I think Axl's personality was pretty abrasive to begin with.
And Metallica seems to have done alright without Mustaine.
Van Halen should have kept David Lee Roth. Never cared for Sammy Hagar (even his solo stuff) and Gary Sharone just couldn't cut it.
I think the biggest mistake KISS ever had was deciding to form a band. "Hey guys, we're simplistic players, our songs aren't great, so lets put on all these outrageous costumes, Gene gets his tongue surgically altered, breathes fire and spits up blood on stage, Ace can have his pickup in his guitar burn while he wanks out a mediocre solo distracting the audience so they cheer and think he's a great player, Paul can not wear a shirt showing off his hairy chest and play a strangely shaped guitar painted in silver sparkle (that looks for all the world like a can opener) and we can have 2 different drummers that were pretty much the same. We can rerecord some of the original drummer's songs with the new guy. Since we're in makeup our fans won't even notice."
Gun 'N Roses. Axl could have not been such a prima donna. Of course they were all using pretty heavily, but I think Axl's personality was pretty abrasive to begin with.
And Metallica seems to have done alright without Mustaine.
Van Halen should have kept David Lee Roth. Never cared for Sammy Hagar (even his solo stuff) and Gary Sharone just couldn't cut it.
Well they didn't leave to back Steve Perry. Steve Perry came on board after 2 albums. And yeah, big mistake to have a band that had like 15 hit singles and 6 hit albums instead of backing Santana, who keeps the lion's share of the money. If that's a mistake, please let me make one that big!
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Mistakes??? KISS, Journey, and GnR are all in the Hall of Fame. Rose is hardly the only idiot in rock. Journey had far more success than Santana - it was their choice, and a good one (and Jackson was a late replacement). KISS may not be my cup of coffee, but they accomplished exactly what they wanted to do, although exponentially more successful than even they ever imagined.
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Wrong! We just got back from opening four sold out arena shows for Journey. They are selling out around the world and I'm sure they aren't worried about next months rent, in part thanks to the demographic Arnel brings with him.
They also have Steve Smith in the band, they killed it night after night with two hour shows that were almost all hits. The nicest bunch of guys too!
Black Sabbath fired Ozzy because he was growing increasingly unreliable and a liability as a frontman. It reinvigorated the band. Case in point, Heaven and Hell, and The Mob Rules were way better than Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die. People always forget that the last two albums with Ozzy before they fired him weren't very good.
Breaking up was the beast thing that ever happened to the Beatles. It meant that there could never be a bad Beatles album. I much prefer that to becoming a dinosaur band like the Stones.
GnR breaking up was because they didn't what they should have done years earlier... fire Axl.
Well, I disagree with you. I actually have seen both lineups of Sabbath, and I prefer the one with Dio live. And I vastly prefer the ones with Dio over Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die, which is the kind of records they would have been making if they'd continued with Ozzy. Prefer them to any solo Ozzy album, too, as well as 13, the one they did with Ozzy recently.
Basically it comes down to whether or not you prefer Dio or Ozzy overall. I've never met anyone who likes Ozzy solo better than Dio solo yet prefer Dio Sabbath. Or vice versa.
Myself I've never cared much for Dio although I recognize the talent he had. Probably has to do with his style, that type of singer is definitely not my favorite. IMO everything pre-ecstasy was fantastic, everything after regardless of singer is meh. With the exception of the song Heaven and Hell. That's bad ass.
I disagree. If anything, he had his guitarists in his solo band model their style on Tony Iommi. Tons of signature amazing riffs all over the albums with Dio.
Well, I think you're wrong. Rainbow was awesome. So were the albums Heaven & Hell, Mob Rules, Dehumanizer, and The Devil You Know. And I'll take any of his solo work over any of Ozzy's with the exception of Ozzy's first two solo albums (the ones with Randy).
Agreed on Kiss, though. Don't get the appeal.
Heroin is always a big, sad mistake.
Gotta disagree on that mustache, though. It was magnificent.
I've heard a snippet. Really not good at all.
The band had to end, it was becoming too dysfunctional. The bright side is that the Beatles albums will always be good.
Do me the favor of not posting direct insults towards me here, try to keep them in your head until you can deliver them face to face.
That clarity of differentiation you speak of seems to always remain with people who are sure they are always right.
Because Talkbass is a bunch of old guys.
I have one, though. Ihsahn deciding to use an 8 string guitar and that his solo music needed alto saxophone.
Laudanum breaking up.
Ludicra breaking up.
People trying to form doom bands without bassists.
Good. Clapton sucks without Cream.
Indeed. The real mistake was losing Dio. Twice.
It depends which of their solo albums. I'd say the first two Ozzy albums were better than most of Dio's solo stuff, but that Dio's solo work was better than everything Ozzy did after Diary Of A Madman.
I also disagree on the Dio albums, naturally. For me, the best Sabbath album is Master of Reality, but Heaven and Hell is a close second.
