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Bus Beheading...

#141
TheBigO said:
If he is as unstable as his actions make him out to be, I wonder how he wasn't flagged by somebody long before this incident. But then I suppose we say that every time there's a gruesome murder like this or a tragic school shooting.
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Exactly. But on the other hand, if these are the ones that get missed, how many do get flagged and sectioned? I would hope that the number is greater than the number of insane murderers!
 
#143
Something is fishy here.


He is being charged with murder 2, implying that it was not premeditated...He had a hunting knife on a Greyhound bus. I don't know too many people who carry those things around just for kicks. Why else would have have the thing on the bus unless he intended to use it?
 
#144
Probably not pre-meditated in the respect that he likely didn't get on the bus planning to kill that guy specificly. Maybe it was just going to be the guy next to him, the guy in front of him, maybe the bus driver. Who knows why?

The dude ( Knifey ) had a job and a wife which leads me to believe he was somewhat functional in society What warning signs would point to someone doing this?

I believe that dude left home with the intention of killing someone. The fact that he didn't care who should make the punishment more severe.
 
#145
benthughes said:
The dude ( Knifey ) had a job and a wife which leads me to believe he was somewhat functional in society What warning signs would point to someone doing this?
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Very few warning signs. There was a horrible murder/suicide here several months ago, where a man killed a girl living in their basement, then killed two of his three kids and his wife (who died protecting her children), then stabbed himself to death. That guy was also functional in society, but marital problems and work stresses essentially led a normal person to commit something gruesome. The same may be true in this incident.
 
#146
heroincredible said:
Except that the prison system does a piss poor job of rehabilitation. It simply doesn't work.
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Benjamin Strange said:
Well, perhaps if we stopped locking people up for insignificant, victimless crimes, such as smoking dope and prostitution, we'd have far less people in jail (here in America, over 1% of our entire population is incarcerated), then perhaps the system would work more efficiently.
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heroincredible said:
I don't believe it would make a difference. Of course there wouldn't be as many stresses on the system, which is a good thing, but the actual rehabilitation of the criminals is what I'm referring too. Less people in prison doesn't suddenly increase the ability of the prison system to rehabilitate its inmates. There may be more resources available, but ultimately the system itself is hugely flawed. IMO, prison is just a place to keep criminals on the taxpayers dollar, nothing more, nothing less. Few people are actually rehabilitated by it.

Not really relevant to the discussion, but interesting nonetheless. When I was doing my criminology minor, I went to several penitentiaries and interviewed some of the inmates. Some of the people there were homeless who committed crimes just so that they would have a nice hot place to sleep during the winter. The idea of three meals a day and a free room for the winter was an interesting enough prospect for them to go out and commit minor felonies.
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Benjamin Strange said:
Sure, career criminals aren't going to be rehabilitated - but there are criminals who have been succesfully reintroduced to society, with no ill effects.
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heroincredible said:
Good point. In both cases though, changing the system that way will only be more productive if there is a willingness in the student/criminal to change. So the system is only as effective as the person it is trying to work with.
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Look, prison sucks. However, a lot of people accept it as a way of life. When I was in prison, I got some stats from the Warden... which I think won't be well received here, so I'll keep them to myself for the time being.

Point is, the vast majority of prisoners weren't inherently evil. They were just dumb. They accepted prison as a way of life. They'd watch their family members go, they had been there already, they expected to go again. One of the guys I was booked with - a nice guy in fact - was given the choice of 3 months in prison or a $350 fine.

He chose prison.

It's 3 hots and a cot for a lot of people. It takes less effort than a job, and they don't have to pay anything for it. I thought about how much MORE money you could make in 3 months than $350, but again - they're just ignorant, trashy people.

Now, this doesn't mean that prison is a friendly place. It's not. It's a dangerous place, and people have to become "mean" in prison to get by. People live according to a different rule set completely.

I remember when I was relocated to the infermary right when I was put on suicide watch. There was this disgustingly obese man watching TV, making disgusting remarks about the women on the show with the rest of the guys. He was in there for a double murder. I asked why he did it, and he said "They just pissed me off, and I killed them."

He was a disgusting waste of humanity. Pure trash. Evil? Nah, not really. A revolting moron? Yes. Can these people be rehabilitated? I speak for the vast majority of prisoners when I say NO.

Bard2dbone said:
Mentally ill absolutely doesn't mean not a monster.
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+1,000,000,000
 
#148
More criminals (where said crime is glaringly obvious) need to be killed on site. Let's take Knifey. Glaringly obvious he did it. All the friggin' DNA in the universe ain't gonna change that. He needs to be killed. Slowly, and painfully. Given the opportunity, I'd have a field day with that! Worthless scumbag that got off on killing what was essentially a defenseless man. Go you, scumbag!!!!

A prick like this should not be eligible for appeals or any other legal detours to save his sorry ass. The fact that he IS is disgusting in and of itself.

Where's Joe Horn??????
 
#149
Eric618 said:
He needs to be killed. Slowly, and painfully. Given the opportunity, I'd have a field day with that!
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^ OK, read that ^

Eric618 said:
Worthless scumbag that got off on killing what was essentially a defenseless man.
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^Now read that ^




Sounds like you are getting off on the thought of killing a defenseless man. Great way of putting your point across - "He was getting off on killing someone. I would love to kill him in revenge - it would be some much fun!" :rollno: :scowl: :rollno:
 
#151
Happynoj said:
..Sounds like you are getting off on the thought of killing a defenseless man. Great way of putting your point across - "He was getting off on killing someone. I would love to kill him in revenge - it would be some much fun!" :rollno: :scowl: :rollno:
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First off, it's not a matter of "revenge". It's getting someone that attacked and killed and beheaded a SLEEPING guy in front of a bus full of witnesses off the planet for good. I'm assuming you'd want to try and rehab him. That's cute.

Oh, and also, I've spoken my opinion in here a few times. You've taken the holier-than-though approach. You can take said approach and shove it up up your.... Eh, nevermind! :rolleyes:
 
#152
Happynoj said:
^ OK, read that ^



^Now read that ^




Sounds like you are getting off on the thought of killing a defenseless man. Great way of putting your point across - "He was getting off on killing someone. I would love to kill him in revenge - it would be some much fun!" :rollno: :scowl: :rollno:
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How is a guy who brutally stabbed and beheaded an innocent passenger for no apparent reason a defenseless man?
 

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