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Club Alleva Coppolo (Part 7)

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Ace Of Bass said:
Man, if Jimmy can get a 12 pound ash body, I'm probably going to move on one soon......Roni & Vic, what do you think it was that was so different about the other LM.......?.....Weight......?
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the trans white one that went to japan was over 11 pounds. the pickups are still going to prevent it from sounding as airy and having the snap of a late 70's jazz though. the notes didnt particularly "pop" on that bass either. i gave some detailed thoughts about that one in part 5 or 6 of this thread.
 
#364
narud said:
the trans white one that went to japan was over 11 pounds. the pickups are still going to prevent it from sounding as airy and having the snap of a late 70's jazz though. the notes didnt particularly "pop" on that bass either. i gave some detailed thoughts about that one in part 5 or 6 of this thread.
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I'll study up............thanks, Joe......
 
#365
Andrew Jones said:
Yes, I agree if we're splitting hairs and and such, the 70's pick ups are wound different. It doesn't get talked about much and we're getting picky but it's one of the ingredients that make the gumbo.






Aj
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its actually not as big of a difference as i thought. i took apart my own slab board 62 and realized the pickups are plain enamel. the 70's pickups are enamel as well. i dont know when and if heavy formvar was used. jimmy told me he tried a set of his pickups with plain enamel wire in an lm and he thought it was too bright. however, compared to a fender i dont think the lm's have the sparkle. he called it "glassy".

the winding on the 60's stuff could be all over the map though. the neck pickup in my 62 was reading at 5.3k and the bridge pickup was reading at 8.7k. i replaced the neck pickup with an antiquity 2 (plain enamel) that was wound to 8.1k and its a perfect match with the original bridge pickup. same airy quality, same amount of microphonics.

my 78 has pickups that are in the mid 7k range and i bought a set of 1980 pickups of off ebay for my 75 ri that read the same. i sent them to carey nordstrand to take notes for a future replication job and he said the coil looked small and he suspected 43 gauge plain enamel.

and im almost embarrassed that im this much of a pickup geek:D
 
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narud said:
its actually not as big of a difference as i thought. i took apart my own slab board 62 and realized the pickups are plain enamel. the 70's pickups are enamel as well. i dont know when and if heavy formvar was used. jimmy told me he tried a set of his pickups with plain enamel wire in an lm and he thought it was too bright. however, compared to a fender i dont think the lm's have the sparkle. he called it "glassy".

the winding on the 60's stuff could be all over the map though. the neck pickup in my 62 was reading at 5.3k and the bridge pickup was reading at 8.7k. i replaced the neck pickup with an antiquity 2 (plain enamel) that was wound to 8.1k and its a perfect match with the original bridge pickup. same airy quality, same amount of microphonics.

my 78 has pickups that are in the mid 7k range and i bought a set of 1980 pickups of off ebay for my 75 ri that read the same. i sent them to carey nordstrand to take notes for a future replication job and he said the coil looked small and he suspected 43 gauge plain enamel.

and im almost embarrassed that im this much of a pickup geek:D
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All the magnetic wire that is commonly used and has been over the years for electric guitar and bass pickups is enamel wire. The coating is different. So when the terms Formvar or Poly is used it's just the coating not the actual wire. There is also the build or thickness of the coating. Some of the wire has what is called single build wire which is a single-thin coating of material on the wire. The more common is the heavy build which is a slightly thicker coating of material on the wire. The differences are subtle but there. As for the plain enamel, it's just that and not only is hard to find but really hard to work with... it breaks frequently during the winding process. Plain enamel was common on some '50's and '60's pickups. The poly was common during '70's up till today. By now everyone is familiar with the most popular wire size or guage, so I wont bother to go there.
-Jimmy
 
#369
OK The LM has landed and I know it's only been like 12 hours BUT she is absolutely the best 5 string jazz style bass I have ever played or owned hands down...
It looks-feels-plays-and sounds EXACTLY like my77 Jazz plus a killer B string and the blocks and binding are off the hook...Workmanship is nothing short or perfection and the tone is KILLER!
She is very resonant and the notes seem to jump off the fretboard with immediacy and brilliance...
The back of the neck is slightly chunkier and has a bit of a V to it which I dig much more than the wide flat C on my old LG and 1600...
A real keeper and a bass I feel I can play for the rest of my life...
Look out fellas I may be moving some axe's real soon...
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#370
jonno1707 said:
OK The LM has landed and I know it's only been like 12 hours BUT she is absolutely the best 5 string jazz style bass I have ever played or owned hands down...
It looks-feels-plays-and sounds EXACTLY like my77 Jazz plus a killer B string and the blocks and binding are off the hook...Workmanship is nothing short or perfection and the tone is KILLER!
She is very resonant and the notes seem to jump off the fretboard with immediacy and brilliance...
The back of the neck is slightly chunkier and has a bit of a V to it which I dig much more than the wide flat C on my old LG and 1600...
A real keeper and a bass I feel I can play for the rest of my life...
Look out fellas I may be moving some axe's real soon...
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Looking good!..............
 
#371
narud said:
yeah i know we're talking insulation, but isnt the wire copper?
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I guess i didn't word this properly... Yes, the magnetic wire is made of copper (and for those checking I think sometimes magnetic wire can be made of aluminum for transformers and such) . It probably should be called enamel copper wire which is another way of saying coated wire, hence my statement that all magnetic wire is enamel. I'm sorry I was unclear. From there you just have to decide which coating or insulation you prefer. Thank's keepin me in check :).
-Jimmy
 
#372
Hey Jonno! Sweet bass and congrats! I'm glad you found a 5-string twin to your 77 jazz in looks AND sound. I can't get over those block inlays. They're beautiful.

I know what you mean. I've had my LM5 for a week and I'm seriously considering selling my Musicman. It's a great bass but I can't see myself playing anything else but jazz basses now. I'd be very upset if I had to use the MM as a backup. It doesn't feel or sound anywhere close to a jazz.
 
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Jonno,
Congrats on an awesome bass. Jimmy's one of the nicest builders around. That's my favorite LM5. Looks just like an old 75' Jazz I used to have (but with the B string). It has got me wanting an LM now. But I will see what you have to unload first (call me before Vic for a certain bass we can't mention here) ;-) I hope Vic's not listening.
Steve
 
#375
The Butler said:
Jonno,
Congrats on an awesome bass. Jimmy's one of the nicest builders around. That's my favorite LM5. Looks just like an old 75' Jazz I used to have (but with the B string). It has got me wanting an LM now. But I will see what you have to unload first (call me before Vic for a certain bass we can't mention here) ;-) I hope Vic's not listening.
Steve
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Thanks buddy and Gals...:-)... it really looks and sounds just like my old 77..
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#377
The Butler said:
Jonno,
Congrats on an awesome bass. Jimmy's one of the nicest builders around. That's my favorite LM5. Looks just like an old 75' Jazz I used to have (but with the B string). It has got me wanting an LM now. But I will see what you have to unload first (call me before Vic for a certain bass we can't mention here) ;-) I hope Vic's not listening.
Steve
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HAH! THINK AGAIN! :D
 
#378
OK, it's official...as Chef said, Ole Silver is safe in my hands. Played it last night and did a recording this a.m., and I can say it will challenge the others in my stable for #1.
As do all of Jimmy's basses I've played, it plays great. What strikes me most is it's nearly impossible to get a bad sound out of it. I move the knobs around because they're there, but almost anywhere they end up, it sounds good. I'm off to 2 completely different kinds of gig so it's going to be a fun test!
 
#379
jonno1707 said:
... A real keeper and a bass I feel I can play for the rest of my life... Look out fellas I may be moving some axe's real soon...
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Rats. This is one I was hoping to get someday from you at a great used price! :bawl:

Just teasing of course.

That is very high praise considering the other nice basses you own and have owned. I am thrilled for you.
 
#380
Basseroni said:
I tried weighing it the other night but my bathroom scale was really off. If I had to guess I would say between 9 and 9.5 pounds. It's lighter than my Musicman for sure which is between 10 and 11 pounds.
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That 9.5 pound is IMO the sweet spot for the LM's (and quite frankly, most ash/maple basses I've played)... dense enough to really have some authority in the low end and snap up top, but not so heavy as to kill your back.

These are some GREAT LM's coming out of Jimmy's shop at the moment! Congrats to all above! They grind hard:bassist:
 
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