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CRAZY perspective I got from a long-time DJ last night

No big artist here. Just a weekend warrior playing other peoples songs for fun and to make a couple extra bucks to fund my GAS.

It's open to debate whether the band should even tip, since we are working there as well. I just figure it helps to curry favor with the wait staff since in this shady system their income is imputed with a certain percentage of tips. So they lose money if you don't. :unsure:
We were trying to make money but also spread the positive vibe.

It must have been an unusual thing for them as well. They committed on it.

The return was more that 10 fold to us than any gift we gave to them. Plus just the fellow feeling alone.

Other acts in our scene never understood why we were so loved. We were average. I contribute it to the vibe.

It wasn't always money.
 
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We were trying to make money but also spread the positive vibe. It must have been an unusual thing for them as well. That committed on it. The return was more that 10 fold to us than any gift we gave to them. Plus just the fellow felling alone. Other acts in our scene never understood why we were so loved. We were average. I contribute it to the vibe.
It wasn't always money.

If that helped your band than more power to you brother. :thumbsup:
 
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Sub-par "musicians" that don't care if they ever get better on their chosen instrument because they have no real plans of being anything but a three chord, three minute song good times party band. To them, jazz and blues is "corny".
Luckily there are no 3 chord blues songs, and sub-par musicians are prevented from playing jazz by court order.
;)

The term hack actually means, a person who does dull routine work. It has nothing to do with a persons ability, or plans to progress at their chosen profession, trade or calling.
A good time party band sounds awesome, I'd probably take that gig for free, and set a minimum fee for anything I found dull and routine.
 
I attended a neighborhood Superbowl party last night. The host's father was visiting NC from Upstate New York. He's a private party DJ. He used to do clubs as well. He's older than me..... maybe in his 60s if I had to guess. He started DJing on 1978 and has been doing it steady ever since.

(By the way, he did his first job entirely on a phone last week. He literally had Spotify and Amazon Prime apps going on his phone and took requests as well as having a "set list". The times, they are uh changin'.)

Get this......


He told me that it's "getting harder and harder to find work". Wanna know why?

He said that "Little bands are springing up everywhere all over the country. Not only are people getting tired of DJs. But these little garage bands will play for LESS MONEY THAN I CAN DO IT FOR."

You read that last part correctly.

We have had this discussion here before. Yes, it's been beat to death. But coming from a DJ who has been in the biz for decades it really hit home for me.

Two things struck me.

1) The whole time we live musicians are pissing and moaning about not getting work because of DJs, they're out there pissing and moaning about not getting work because of "hack bands" (his words).

2) But I'll say it again. If you are playing GIGS with a full band for a few hundred bucks, you are actually HURTING the market for the rest of us.

Do us all a favor and just jam in the garage if you can't demand more than a DJ with nothing but two speakers on a stick and some fancy lights gets.

If we all told club owners we would rather stay home than play for $300, the price WOULD go up. Sure, we would lose some to DJs. But not as many as you think.

Just my two cents.
If you can’t draw enough people to validate your worth, then maybe YOU should stay in the basement.
Quantify the numbers. A crap band won’t have a good draw and the sales will reflect that.
Or play for the door, put your money where your mouth is.
 
Makes me happy i play jazz. For alot of the gigs i get, a DJ would never be on the table. I do a weekly jazz brunch, 11-2. A DJ brunch? Just no.

Point is, there are still gigs out there where a DJ would just not be appropriate. Think small coffee shops/cafes, or bars with a culture where a DJ wouldn't fly. There is actually a coffee shop here that has someone spin records a single night of the week, but the rest of the week are small groups playing.
 
Makes me happy i play jazz. For alot of the gigs i get, a DJ would never be on the table. I do a weekly jazz brunch, 11-2. A DJ brunch? Just no.

Point is, there are still gigs out there where a DJ would just not be appropriate. Think small coffee shops/cafes, or bars with a culture where a DJ wouldn't fly. There is actually a coffee shop here that has someone spin records a single night of the week, but the rest of the week are small groups playing.
Also, jazz groups tend to have quality players. Not the 3 chord warrior variety!
 
Since this thread still has some embers, I'll drop this video.

@TBird1958 posted it on the wardrobe thread,
but it bears repeating as it provides such a rousing and inspiring
example of a band delivering on all levels.

Still not sure how to define "hack" but one way to rate one's own band
would be to deem this performance a perfect "10" and, in a fearless
self-inventory, start scaling downward.


 
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Since this thread still has some embers, I'll drop this video.@TBird1958 posted it on the wardrobe thread,
but it bears repeating as it provides such a rousing and inspiring
example of a band delivering on all levels.

Still not sure how to define "hack" but one way to sell-rate one's band
would be to call this performance a perfect "10" and, in a fearless
self-inventory, start scaling downward.



Not the Hack
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Here in Roanoke the changed the ABC laws a few years and made it easier for breweries to have a tasting room. We were able to get gigs pretty easily, not great paying but fun. Now the breweries all want to hire "traveling festival bands" for basically the same low rate. And these bands will travel several hours to come and play for maybe $100 a man, including their travel expenses. Now I'm fine with playing for $100 a man a night but I am not about to drive three hours, set up, play three hours, tear down and drive three hours home for the same $100. But these bands full of 20 something kids will.
 
Since this thread still has some embers, I'll drop this video.

@TBird1958 posted it on the wardrobe thread,
but it bears repeating as it provides such a rousing and inspiring
example of a band delivering on all levels.

Still not sure how to define "hack" but one way to rate one's own band
would be to deem this performance a perfect "10" and, in a fearless
self-inventory, start scaling downward.





Those guys just cook! I like this specific song because everybody in the band really gets to shine - Their bassist is on it, and no standing in the shadows for him!
 
Since this thread still has some embers, I'll drop this video.

@TBird1958 posted it on the wardrobe thread,
but it bears repeating as it provides such a rousing and inspiring
example of a band delivering on all levels.

Still not sure how to define "hack" but one way to rate one's own band
would be to deem this performance a perfect "10" and, in a fearless
self-inventory, start scaling downward.




That would be a great band to go see, but not great for a bar where people want entertainment and to be able to talk to their friends.
 
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Since this thread still has some embers, I'll drop this video.

@TBird1958 posted it on the wardrobe thread,
but it bears repeating as it provides such a rousing and inspiring
example of a band delivering on all levels.

Still not sure how to define "hack" but one way to rate one's own band
would be to deem this performance a perfect "10" and, in a fearless
self-inventory, start scaling downward.




Great performers, but i wish they had the writing to go with it...
 
Since this thread still has some embers, I'll drop this video.

@TBird1958 posted it on the wardrobe thread,
but it bears repeating as it provides such a rousing and inspiring
example of a band delivering on all levels.

Still not sure how to define "hack" but one way to rate one's own band
would be to deem this performance a perfect "10" and, in a fearless
self-inventory, start scaling downward.



Played on the same festival bill with them a couple of summers ago here in Podunk. Good high energy show band, wasn't crazy about their material but that's just personal taste. Kinda surprised to find out they're West Coast, Kansas was a long way from home for them (but they were well enough compensated). Definitely fun to watch. Bass player had a couple of nice Sadowsky's.