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Crossdressing and bandmates.
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Now see, I could be fooled into thinking that's a lady rabbit.
Nah, we didn't forget about him...we answered him already and moved on
Jack Lemon & Tony Curtis in "Some Like It Hot"
Dustin Hoffman as "Tootsie"
Robin Williams as "Mrs Doubtfire"
Martin Lawrence as Big Momma in "Big Momma's House" and he liked it so much he did a sequel.
"To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything... Julie Newmar"
"Glen or Glenda"
Johnny Depp as "Ed Wood", and of course Ed Wood...
Tom Hanks in the "Bosom Buddies" TV series
Anthony Perkins as "Mother" in "Psycho"
Willem Dafoe in "Boondock Saints"
"Viktor und Viktoria" (1933) and subsequently Julie Andrews' version...
And before all that, of course... There's a whole lotta shakin' goin' on in Shakespeare ... "Twelfth Night", "As You Like It", "Merchant of Venice" etc...
Pecunni's "Madama Butterfly"
"Kiss of the Spider"
"The Crying Game"
"Hedwig & The Angry Inch"
"Short Bus"
"Adventures of Priscilla Queen of the Desert"
"Rocky Horror Picture Show" was already mentioned, so I won't mention it. Oops, I mentioned it.
"Bird Cage"
As with Shakespeare's bi-directional cross-dressing characters, here's some for the ladies:
"Mulan"
"Joan of Arc"
Gwyneth Paltrow in "Shakespeare In Love"
"Les Miserables"
"Orlando"
Cate Blanchett as Bob Dylan
Angelina Jolie as male Russian in "Salt"
Mary Pickford as Cedric Errol in the 1921 film "Little Lord Fauntleroy"
That's all mostly off the top of my head. Mostly. I had to search online for a few things to joggle my memory and doing so joggled a few more I'd forgotten about such as "Boondock Saints" and "Birdcage"
From aforementioned search, a few surprises I didn't catch oh so long ago: David Duchovny in "Twin Peaks"
Arnold Scharznoogie in "Junior", which I've never seen.
Couldn't remember her name, nor the movie, but I remember seeing it and my dad saying the character was played by a woman... FINALLY found it:
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My dad made the comment 'cause I said that guy sure is a good actor.
"Actress"
AND she won an Academy Award for that role.
Plenty more movies/plays I haven't seen or don't recall but as everybody knows — it's all online...
Really, I don't see what the big deal is. Cross dressing has been going on since before men & women wore different clothes – it's only after the gender-specific attire came into vogue that some have titillated others/and or themselves with their sartorial gender-bender antics.
[Scottish Brogue]Aye, and hence the orrrrigin of th' phrrrrase "The whole nyne yarrrrrds", lad. (As I'm shooorrrr yee knew alrrrrreadeh)[/Scottish Brogue]
Dustin Hoffman as "Tootsie"
Robin Williams as "Mrs Doubtfire"
Martin Lawrence as Big Momma in "Big Momma's House" and he liked it so much he did a sequel.
"To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything... Julie Newmar"
"Glen or Glenda"
Johnny Depp as "Ed Wood", and of course Ed Wood...
Tom Hanks in the "Bosom Buddies" TV series
Anthony Perkins as "Mother" in "Psycho"
Willem Dafoe in "Boondock Saints"
"Viktor und Viktoria" (1933) and subsequently Julie Andrews' version...
And before all that, of course... There's a whole lotta shakin' goin' on in Shakespeare ... "Twelfth Night", "As You Like It", "Merchant of Venice" etc...
Pecunni's "Madama Butterfly"
"Kiss of the Spider"
"The Crying Game"
"Hedwig & The Angry Inch"
"Short Bus"
"Adventures of Priscilla Queen of the Desert"
"Rocky Horror Picture Show" was already mentioned, so I won't mention it. Oops, I mentioned it.
"Bird Cage"
As with Shakespeare's bi-directional cross-dressing characters, here's some for the ladies:
"Mulan"
"Joan of Arc"
Gwyneth Paltrow in "Shakespeare In Love"
"Les Miserables"
"Orlando"
Cate Blanchett as Bob Dylan
Angelina Jolie as male Russian in "Salt"
Mary Pickford as Cedric Errol in the 1921 film "Little Lord Fauntleroy"
That's all mostly off the top of my head. Mostly. I had to search online for a few things to joggle my memory and doing so joggled a few more I'd forgotten about such as "Boondock Saints" and "Birdcage"
From aforementioned search, a few surprises I didn't catch oh so long ago: David Duchovny in "Twin Peaks"
Arnold Scharznoogie in "Junior", which I've never seen.
Couldn't remember her name, nor the movie, but I remember seeing it and my dad saying the character was played by a woman... FINALLY found it:
Invalid Link Removed
My dad made the comment 'cause I said that guy sure is a good actor.
"Actress"
AND she won an Academy Award for that role.
Plenty more movies/plays I haven't seen or don't recall but as everybody knows — it's all online...
Really, I don't see what the big deal is. Cross dressing has been going on since before men & women wore different clothes – it's only after the gender-specific attire came into vogue that some have titillated others/and or themselves with their sartorial gender-bender antics.
[Scottish Brogue]Aye, and hence the orrrrigin of th' phrrrrase "The whole nyne yarrrrrds", lad. (As I'm shooorrrr yee knew alrrrrreadeh)[/Scottish Brogue]
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One of my very close friends were a crossdresser (unfortunately he died), he wasn't a bassist though, more of a singer and multi instrumentalist.
Anyway, I don't mind.
People can dress as they feel like, personally I prefer Thousand Island Dressing though.
Anyway, I don't mind.
People can dress as they feel like, personally I prefer Thousand Island Dressing though.
Exactly, and they are always changing.
So it is unlikely there is a 'correct' norm, no?
Do we really need to limit the rights and opportunities of people because they fall outside the norm?
Who is normal, anyway?
You are desperately trying to argue your way out of reality.
Yes, they are always changing. I thought that was settled.
Correct Norm makes no sense. It is what it is. Whether it is correct or not goes back to the original point. Some will say it is correct and other will say it is not.
Limiting the rights and opportunities of those considered outside the norm is part of the norm. This is done in many ways. Here is a link to how the Amish shun a person who has violated what they consider the norm AMISH SHUNNING
May I ask what the end goal of this latest thread turn is? It sounds more like two or three people trying to prove they're right rather than make a cohesive point.
I dont see anyone complaining when Madonna puts on a suit and tie, norms, shmorms , whatever rocks your boat. Remember the gal with the meat suit ?
I'm not trying to argue my way out of anything, or be right.
The point I am trying to make is that we should be ablle to look beyond the ridiculous standards that force people to conform to the expectations of people that can't see or accept beyond what they are used to.
Nothing more.
I get that. We can't, though. Norms do exist for a reason. You've got to have at least SOME discrimination, otherwise there wouldn't a concept of right and wrong. Guys wearing dresses is harmless and does nothing to bring down anyone else's quality of life, so that's now in the process of rightly losing its stigma, even though it isn't going to happen overnight, and bands will still have the right to work with whoever they want for whatever dopey reason they choose. But norms aren't all bad. Some folks just need better ability at spotting which ones make sense and which ones are harassment of decent law-abiding citizens.
And that is how the norms change. The way you have been saying sound like you think there should be no norms at all. What is ridiculous to you is right for someone else.
Why are norms so important? They will always exist, but why do we have to abide by them if they do not involve bringing harm to others? Discomfort doesn't count.
Musicians here are always talking about doing new things, breaking new ground, making new sounds. What if everyone insisted we stuck to 'normal' music?
New or different is not better, but it has a right to coexist with what has become normal (which just a little while ago was new or different itself).
Surely we have evolved to the point where our identities are no longer threatened by those that won't or can't fit in?
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