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CWB 12 - The Dirty Dozen

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Tonight I'm playing at a place called the Carson Street Deli. My first gig there was later the same week that Tat visited me here. She and I were on Carson street and looked for that place but couldn't find it.

Tat took a picture of me playing a street musician's conga. (Look at the sign over my shoulder.) lol

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Well I did come to the conclusion tonight (last night) that my finger-style needs a lot of work. I can use it in public for slower pieces but I convinced myself that night that my timing is considerably more consistent and accurate when playing with a pick.

I was playing through "Some Kind of Wonderful" which I can play but playing finger style it just sound flat and sloppy. Played it again with a Pick and liked it considerably better. At the last rehearsal the singer was not happy with the sound of it but didn't know why. Now I think I know. It's on the list again this week and maybe I will save it from elimination when I play it tonight.
There is no sin in playing with a pick, many players do and it can be quite effective. When playing repetitious patterns, particularly mono-tone stuff like Some Kind of Wonderful (I'm assuming the Grand Funk version?) you need to be aware of note duration and uniformity of the rhythmic pattern, otherwise it will sound as you described (flat & sloppy).

Suggestion for you to try: If you're playing in the Key of D (original was in that key), play the D at the 5th fret on your A string ... it will eliminate the over ringing that tends to muddy the tone. You'll also be able to mute easier using your fretting hand. Lots of people play it on the open D, which can ring a lot. If you're playing in the open position, that's likely why, when playing with a pick, you're able to control the tone more.

That bass line is definitely a "signature" riff for that tune so you really only have two choices .... play it like the original or change the whole feel of the song completely. One of my bands decided to funk it up more than rock it and I personally like the funked-up version better. We recently did a rough demo (vocals are a scratch track, need to go back in and clean them up a bit) you can hear, here:>

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There is no sin in playing with a pick, many players do and it can be quite effective. When playing repetitious patterns, particularly mono-tone stuff like Some Kind of Wonderful (I'm assuming the Grand Funk version?) you need to be aware of note duration and uniformity of the rhythmic pattern, otherwise it will sound as you described (flat & sloppy).

Suggestion for you to try: If you're playing in the Key of D (original was in that key), play the D at the 5th fret on your A string ... it will eliminate the over ringing that tends to muddy the tone. You'll also be able to mute easier using your fretting hand. Lots of people play it on the open D, which can ring a lot. If you're playing in the open position, that's likely why, when playing with a pick, you're able to control the tone more.

That bass line is definitely a "signature" riff for that tune so you really only have two choices .... play it like the original or change the whole feel of the song completely. One of my bands decided to funk it up more than rock it and I personally like the funked-up version better. We recently did a rough demo (vocals are a scratch track, need to go back in and clean them up a bit) you can hear, here:>

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Thanks for the tips. It is the GFR version we are doing. I learned it in D first and I do play that on A-string 5th fret. Made more sense for getting to the other notes and also for damping the string. But for our singer we had to drop down to B.

I think my trouble is that my picking fingers are just either not strong or trained enough. Sometimes my finger reaches too far and gets caught on the string I am plucking. I probably make a bigger deal out of it than it is because for the few times I am slightly off the beat of the riff I feel like it's a 10 second long stutter. I'm an ex "hobby-guitard" so I'm much more comfortable with a pick.

I d/l'ed that track thanks! I'd love to apply more of our own style to a song like this but we aren't too good at doing that. I had to explain to our band that there's nothing but bass and drums up until "Can I get a witness..". We tend to be a "wall of sound" band. I think we need to learn to mix that up a lot more.
 
Ed's Point (lulz) is good.

In the Jack Casady instructional video, JC makes a point of discussing the variations in tone and feel of playing the same note on different strings. Example, Open G, G on D string 5th fret, G on A string 10th fret, G on E string 15th fret. All sound harmonically different though they are the same note.
 
Tonight I'm playing at a place called the Carson Street Deli. My first gig there was later the same week that Tat visited me here. She and I were on Carson street and looked for that place but couldn't find it.

Tat took a picture of me playing a street musician's conga. (Look at the sign over my shoulder.) lol

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It's OK Mike. If you are hanging out with one of the Thumpketeers its understandable that you couldn't focus on your surroundings!:D
 
I think my trouble is that my picking fingers are just either not strong or trained enough. Sometimes my finger reaches too far and gets caught on the string I am plucking. I probably make a bigger deal out of it than it is because for the few times I am slightly off the beat of the riff I feel like it's a 10 second long stutter. I'm an ex "hobby-guitard" so I'm much more comfortable with a pick.
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Sometimes tunes I play feel like a 5 minute stutter :atoz: ... when I get off my game during a gig I automatically drop down to the lowest possible note I can play based on the key we're in and just "thud" quarter notes till I catch the groove again, and hope the drummer uses the kick to make up for my foolishness .....

And again, there is no issue (IMO) with using a pick. Many players, especially converted guitarists, feel much more comfortable with a pick. Listen to Steve Swallow, Roger Waters, Paul McCartney and a bunch of others for some phenominal pick work .... :cool:
 
Please do .... I don't really remember where it came from originally, I think one of my wife's friends gave it to me??? Maybe ??? I've used it several times over the past years .... :cool:

I can send you a better jpg if you'd like ....

Yes please - that would be awesome. Can you send in PM, or do you need me to PM you a normal email?
 
Whaddya talking about? It's not even cold out for winter. Stop whining! It was like 40 degrees today. Summer in Iceland fer cryin out loud!


Broken link. Wut?



Ok, Half a day off. Dr's appt. He said I was fine other than being a little off kilter mentally. My other Dr. is a sax player, he gets it. Good to have a second opinion.

My wife said I should wear a 'Jimmyhat' but apparently people all over the forums already are. lol.

Jam tomorrow night. I still didn't get any mp3's from last week. I have to start bringing my own recorder.

Went to a 'audition/jam' Sat night. Some people I met at open mike a year ago. Rough. Wanted 2 nights a week to do covers rehearsals. Ain't gonna happen. I will have to tell them politely, get you s*** together and if you still need a bassist, call me 2 weeks before the gig, that's what I need to prep to do the Turtles and Fisherman's Daughter so I can adapt my off time to your off time and we can agree on everything. That will never happen though.

Big celebration coming up!!!! :hyper: I plan on hiding out the whole time though! :ninja: If I disappear a while, it's cause I am [DEL]home sleeping[/DEL] out partying.

It is cold - regardless of what you peeps up here call normal. LOL.

Here's the pic - probably couldn't see it because you're not yet on my facebook friends list.

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More to come later in my commentary - I'm typing from training and they'll thump me shortly if I don't focus. LOL.
 
Well I did come to the conclusion tonight (last night) that my finger-style needs a lot of work. I can use it in public for slower pieces but I convinced myself that night that my timing is considerably more consistent and accurate when playing with a pick.

I was playing through "Some Kind of Wonderful" which I can play but playing finger style it just sound flat and sloppy. Played it again with a Pick and liked it considerably better. At the last rehearsal the singer was not happy with the sound of it but didn't know why. Now I think I know. It's on the list again this week and maybe I will save it from elimination when I play it tonight.

I stopped playing with a pick once I figured out fingerstyle, but I will admit this little transgression....

...I keep my fingernails on my right hand longer than the ones on my left. When I want a pick-type sound, I use my fingernails on the strings instead of my the pads of my fingers. It drives my instructor insane, but it works for me and I like the sound. Plus - with longer nails, I can do funky things with the polish. YMMV.
 
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