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Thanks for the clarifications, Steve. :) I believe that even with Sheldon's vast experience (compared to ours!), it is almost 'mission impossible' to generalize the characteristics of different wood species due to the variables you mentioned...
I disagree, to a certain carefully-defined extent.

If wood characteristics were random over as wide a range as conventional TB wisdom dictates, then small-volume luthiers (and even fine cabinetmakers) would be in deep trouble.

Think about it for a minute: If one hand-picked length of instrument-grade sitka spruce resembled old-growth Honduran mahogany, and the next were closer to balsa, then building a solid body bass might be difficult, but building good acoustic guitars would be impossible.

Why does a high/end Taylor sound like a Taylor, and why do certain Dingwall models fall within fairly predictable weight ranges?

Because when you hand-pick lumber in the relatively small quantities that Sheldon needs for his Canadian line, and when you buy from trusted suppliers, then some things can be kept pretty consistent:

For example, straight-grain Canadian rock maple FB blanks will be relatively low in wax and resin content (thus the need apply at least a thin protective finish), while most cocobolo will be so full of waxes and resins that it has to be wiped with solvents before it can be glued, and a finish isn't needed.

Similarly, maple will be somewhat predictable in turns of weight by volume, steady-state tensile strength vs shatter resistance, etc., etc., etc.

These factors affect sound as well as durability.

As long as you throw out the odd board with internal stress or stability problems (like Sheldon recently had to do with a bunch of bad Wenge necks) or outrageous variations in density, then it's far from a crap shoot.
 
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That was my attempt to describe slightly longer sustain, a bit more fundamental, and a more prominent midrange voicing. Keep in mind that my experience has been mainly with Karol acoustic guitars, Warmoth bass and guitar necks, and Warwick basses. In terms of numbers, my sample has been relatively small.

As with all matters related to lumber, it depends on the weight and density of the particular varieties used. Sheldon may look for different things in his neck blanks than those other guys.

Sheldon's recent comments as a builder with hundreds of near-identical necks to look back on, are more trustworthy.

That's what my ears experience tells me as well...my 3X ash/wenge Super J can't arrive fast enough :D
 
I disagree, to a certain carefully-defined extent.

If wood characteristics were random over as wide a range as conventional TB wisdom dictates, then small-volume luthiers (and even fine cabinetmakers) would be in deep trouble.

Think about it for a minute: If one hand-picked length of instrument-grade sitka spruce resembled old-growth Honduran mahogany, and the next were closer to balsa, then building a solid body bass might be difficult, but building good acoustic guitars would be impossible.

Why does a high/end Taylor sound like a Taylor, and why do certain Dingwall models fall within fairly predictable weight ranges?

Because when you hand-pick lumber in the relatively small quantities that Sheldon needs for his Canadian line, and when you buy from trusted suppliers, then some things can be kept pretty consistent:

For example, straight-grain Canadian rock maple FB blanks will be relatively low in wax and resin content (thus the need apply at least a thin protective finish), while most cocobolo will be so full of waxes and resins that it has to be wiped with solvents before it can be glued, and a finish isn't needed.

Similarly, maple will be somewhat predictable in turns of weight by volume, steady-state tensile strength vs shatter resistance, etc., etc., etc.

These factors affect sound as well as durability.

As long as you throw out the odd board with internal stress or stability problems (like Sheldon recently had to do with a bunch of bad Wenge necks) or outrageous variations in density, then it's far from a crap shoot.

We're still in agreement, brother. I should have qualified my statement about 'generalizing' was aimed at predictions of tonality of wood species. In addition to variations of the wood are the differing perceptions of each player. :cool:
 
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This is going to be kind of a long post. Just letting you guys know beforehand.

So, I developed tendonitis in my pinky finger due to over-practicing (music college, had to grind it out) and haven't been able to really play for the last 6 months or so. After going to several doctors (most of them wanted me to have surgery), I landed with an acupuncturist that made some magic and I'm back in the game now.

This tuesday I was out filming a video clip for a band I know and I looked at the bassist's bass and it looked really, really small compared to my ABZ. It felt like a toy and he told me the scale was was actually 34" inches long when I asked him. So that got me thinking that maybe one of the reasons of me developing tendonitis could have been because of the longer scale of my ABZ and I started panicking because I love my bass. So I decided to do something about it.

Today I went to a music store and tried several different bass and brought mine with me to be able to compare. None one of them were super high-end stuff, but they were on the $1,000-1,500 range. Maybe a bit more. I played some Fenders, MusicMans, Ibanez, Laklands, Sandbergs and MTD KZs.

Now, my ABZ was/is my first "nice" bass. Previously I had a cheap spector model and a yamaha rbx170, so I skipped the mid-price range of quality.
I was blown away by how "cheap" and weird some of the basses felt compared to mine. Most of the necks just felt like a piece of dead wood, really poor fretwork and some had very noticeable neck dive. The only bass that sounded and felt on par with my Dingwall was a Lakland skyline that was plek'd. (Only one out of 10 or so they had). You can hear it here:

Here are some of the things I learned:
The ABZ is just a teeny tiny bit longer than most basses. I highly doubt that was the factor that made me develop tendonitis
The build quality of my ABZ is miles ahead of that of the other basses I played. Massive props to Sheldon & crew.
Fenders...No, thank you. They are simply not for me.
There are some pretty heavy basses out there lol
Now I'm really curious about playing a SJ, because of how good that lakland was.

I'm so glad I have my Dingwall :hyper:
 
Before I took the 'Dingwall plunge', I was playing a nice 55-94D with an ebony fretboard. Soon after my Afterburner I arrived, the Lakland got shipped to a player in Switzerland. There are two categories of basses for me. Dingwalls, and all of the rest. I hope you can find a Super J to play before too long! :) (life is short!)
 
Iv@N, I find the Super J and Super P a better fit for me than the longer scale Dingwalls. I've had AB and Z basses, which were GREAT! However, the tone and 'fit' of the Super series basses hit the mark (at least for me, for now.) The string spacing is a bit wider. I don't have to stretch as far for octaves on the lower notes (F in particular). The tone is a bit more 'traditional'. An active fretted Super P/J and passive fretless Super P do everything I could ask or want at the moment.
 
Left pinky finger? Hope things work out. Hand pain is nothing to be ignored. Good stretching and rest can to wonders.

The 19 mm string spacing will feel big after all the time you've spent on the ABZ. While the nut width is the same as the AB's the strings spread more as you head up the neck. And the neck will feel short, both because of the scale and the missing two frets. I don't think there is a finer take on the traditional J bass. I really like the Jazz neck, Jazz body shape, with the P pup in the neck.

You won't have any trouble going from the AB to the Super series and back.
 
Here is a tip for all of you fellow bass players who have suffered problems with stiffness in the hand, arm, forearm and fingers, I was recommended one of these from a doctor and after I have used one I have never looked back, now I own two of these and exercise both hands at once

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