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#14,661
wcriley said:
Wow! I'm not the only one who doesn't like the sound of the bridge pickup soloed?
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If you have the Glokenklang preamp, try it with 75% of the bass's treble rolled off, bump the mids 10 to 15% and give the bass knob a little bump. Play a percussive finger style directly over the bridge pickup. You will get the most wonderful, burpy tone ala Jaco's JB, but deeper. It really blossoms if you are a really good finger style player, which I am not, but I play with a 3.0 Dunlop Tri Stubby and can get pretty close..

It is similar but smoother than the third rotary switch position on a 3X. On a 2 pickup AB it is the bomb.
 
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#14,662
rockinbilly said:
I have an NG2 on order and plan on ordering a Z3 in the near future, but this demo scares me a bit, does the Darkglass only have the driven sound, or can it be versatile ??????
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Yes, as others have said, it is the pedal. A lot of folks like that type of overdrive and the Darkglass pedals are popular. The Alpha Omega, which hasn't yet shipped, sounds a bit extreme to me in the demos but probably can be tamed for real world use. While I really love the Darkglass pre in the Dingwalls, I go for only a slight slight overdrive sometimes and these type of extremes are not anything I would personally go for. With a clean amp and good cab the Darkglass pre equipped Dingwall's do not sound like this but can sound somewhat aggressive if one wants it, but it is more the low mid / high mid adjustment versatility that allows the signature tone shaping versus the Glockenklang low mid high tone shaping - but not that driven type of aggressiveness of the pedal. If you like sweet clean highs then the Glock is the one for you for your Z3. At "zero" it is just like a passive pickup. I actually personally prefer the Darkglass but in some basses/playing situations the Glock makes a lot of sense. I have not yet decided for the Z3 I have on order but have to soon. I would like to eventually personally own both for the tonal variation.
 
#14,663
Thumper said:
Why is bridge soloed a setting on all of the rotary combinations? I have never heard of one person who likes/uses it. Is it a natural function of the way they have to be wired? It seems like a waste of a setting to me.
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What are the other settings? judging by your control cavity pic, it looks like each Pu has its own terminal block, so you could experiment.
 
#14,664
wcriley said:
Wow! I'm not the only one who doesn't like the sound of the bridge pickup soloed?
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spiritbass said:
:laugh: (I don't either)
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ustabawannab said:
If you have the Glokenklang preamp, try it with 75% of the bass's treble rolled off, bump the mids 10 to 15% and give the bass knob a little bump. Play a percussive finger style directly over the bridge pickup. You will get the most wonderful, burpy tone ala Jaco's JB, but deeper. It really blossoms if you are a really good finger style player, which I am not, but I play with a 3.0 Dunlop Tri Stubby and can get pretty close..

It is similar but smoother than the third rotary switch position on a 3X. On a 2 pickup AB it is the bomb.
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I actually like the 3rd rotary position on a 3x but if I remember correctly more with the Glock (wenge neck could have made a contribution as well) and a bit less with the Darkglass. Although I haven't tried it in a real world band playing situation.
 
#14,665
If you just click through the positions without spending time messing around with the volume, and tone or preamp controls, dropping it to the solo'd bridge is pretty thin and clanky. To a lesser extent, each of the first three selections need some adjustment as well.

I spent years with the volume knob wide open and rarely moved off the second, both in series position, occasionally going to the solo'd P tone.

Nearly eight years later, I'm still discovering tones in my Super PJ, in each of the positions. And that's with out scratching the depths of the glockenlang pre.

First world problems!
 
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#14,666
Thumper said:
BB, but that's the point, being happy with that setting. Everything else is so perfect it's strange to have that little nit. But I'm confident I'll get it sorted out and be satisfied as you are.
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I totally agree and I have always in the past myself NOT liked that setting either. Just saying that I finally have one that actually does sound good in that setting and I am pleasantly surprised. I'm not sure why this one sounds good whereas the others I have had in the past have not. I also agree that if one owns one in which that setting is not usable in that setting, and one can change the rotary settings to include a different setting in its place that is one that will be used, absolutely do that. No sense in having a bass with a mode that will not be used, especially when one can substitute it with a mode that will be used.

My guess is that for the standard two pickup basses, Sheldon has set the tone of the bridge pup based upon how it works in the other settings in combination with the neck pickup. The bridge solo'd setting was just sort of, well we have 4 settings and only 4 possible modes, so just include the bridge solo'd even though it might not be useful to most. BUT, the 3x adds so many more possibilities, that the standard bridge solo'd mode may have become obsolete in view of other available modes made possible by the 3x configuration.

I am still going to have to get me one of those 3x basses eventually, and I think it will be in an ABII or a Z. But that is good ways off into the future now for me.
 
#14,667
singlemalt said:
If you just click through the positions without spending time messing around with the volume, and tone or preamp controls, dropping it to the solo'd bridge is pretty thin and clanky. To a lesser extent, each of the first three selections need some adjustment as well.

I spent years with the volume knob wide open and rarely moved off the second, both in series position, occasionally going to the solo'd P tone.

Nearly eight years later, I'm still discovering tones in my Super PJ, in each of the positions. And that's with out scratching the depths of the glockenlang pre.

First world problems!
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I have recently discovered this myself and could not agree more.

The great thing about the Glock is that it is so transparent. It is the best preamp I have ever experienced if you don't want to color the passive tone of the bass. If set flat, it is completely transparent, and each knob is useful over its entire range. I have spent a good deal of time recently sitting on the couch and messing around with each rotary setting on my two pickup basses, and one can coax out killer tones from each one. This may not always be convenient in a live setting though. Obviously, having to adjust volume and perhaps EQ a bit between rotary settings may not make in-set switching very practical. But that probably can be overcome if you get to know how to adjust the settings quickly.

I would only add that I happen to find the parallel setting pretty damn good with the preamp flat, and the volume boosted a bit. It feels to me like Sheldon has designed that setting to be the sweet spot, although I do occasionally add a bit of bass boost depending upon the room. I find that when I add bass, the low-mid growl is not as prominent which can be OK, but I like growl!
 
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#14,668
ustabawannab said:
If you have the Glokenklang preamp, try it with 75% of the bass's treble rolled off, bump the mids 10 to 15% and give the bass knob a little bump. Play a percussive finger style directly over the bridge pickup. You will get the most wonderful, burpy tone ala Jaco's JB, but deeper. It really blossoms if you are a really good finger style player, which I am not, but I play with a 3.0 Dunlop Tri Stubby and can get pretty close..

It is similar but smoother than the third rotary switch position on a 3X. On a 2 pickup AB it is the bomb.
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Yessir! This is the perfect formula for getting that bridge pickup into a usable setting! I would only add a bump in the volume as well to your formula, YMMV of course.
 
#14,671
BuffaloBob4343 said:
I totally agree and I have always in the past myself NOT liked that setting either. Just saying that I finally have one that actually does sound good in that setting and I am pleasantly surprised. I'm not sure why this one sounds good whereas the others I have had in the past have not. I also agree that if one owns one in which that setting is not usable in that setting, and one can change the rotary settings to include a different setting in its place that is one that will be used, absolutely do that. No sense in having a bass with a mode that will not be used, especially when one can substitute it with a mode that will be used.

My guess is that for the standard two pickup basses, Sheldon has set the tone of the bridge pup based upon how it works in the other settings in combination with the neck pickup. The bridge solo'd setting was just sort of, well we have 4 settings and only 4 possible modes, so just include the bridge solo'd even though it might not be useful to most. BUT, the 3x adds so many more possibilities, that the standard bridge solo'd mode may have become obsolete in view of other available modes made possible by the 3x configuration.

I am still going to have to get me one of those 3x basses eventually, and I think it will be in an ABII or a Z. But that is good ways off into the future now for me.
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I would order the ABI, but like the idea of the thinner neck on the Z models, I don't have large hands. Waiting for my NG2 now, and will order the Z3 soon!
 
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rockinbilly said:
I would order the ABI, but like the idea of the thinner neck on the Z models, I don't have large hands. Waiting for my NG2 now, and will order the Z3 soon!
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You definitely don't need big hands to play an AB1, the neck is quite thin and comfortable.
 
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#14,676
bebass said:
Yes, as others have said, it is the pedal. A lot of folks like that type of overdrive and the Darkglass pedals are popular. The Alpha Omega, which hasn't yet shipped, sounds a bit extreme to me in the demos but probably can be tamed for real world use. While I really love the Darkglass pre in the Dingwalls, I go for only a slight slight overdrive sometimes and these type of extremes are not anything I would personally go for. With a clean amp and good cab the Darkglass pre equipped Dingwall's do not sound like this but can sound somewhat aggressive if one wants it, but it is more the low mid / high mid adjustment versatility that allows the signature tone shaping versus the Glockenklang low mid high tone shaping - but not that driven type of aggressiveness of the pedal. If you like sweet clean highs then the Glock is the one for you for your Z3. At "zero" it is just like a passive pickup. I actually personally prefer the Darkglass but in some basses/playing situations the Glock makes a lot of sense. I have not yet decided for the Z3 I have on order but have to soon. I would like to eventually personally own both for the tonal variation.
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I'd like to have an arsenal of Dingwalls but, so many Dings, so little money :-(
 

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