Driver ticketed for driving without being able to speak English.

[Marlat]

And officers wouldn't get bashed so much if most of them lived up to what they are suppose to do within the confines of the law.

THere are over 800,000 sworn law enforcement officers in the USA. Are you suggesting that over 50% (ie most) don't live up to what they are suppose to do within the confines of the law? How would you have any idea what over 400,000 did or did not do?

 

[PasdaBeer]

an excuse for imcompetence? Go memorize every traffic law and penal code. If anyone can do it, I would be amazed.

I'm done with this thread. Jauqo, America is not perfect, Law enforcment is not perfect, People are not perfect. Deal with it. If you expect perfection from everyone, continue to live in your dream land.

 

[PasdaBeer]

THere are over 800,000 sworn law enforcement officers in the USA. Are you suggesting that over 50% (ie most) don't live up to what they are suppose to do within the confines of the law? How would you have any idea what over 400,000 did or did not do?

Thank you mark.



In my experience, Ive worked with over 200 officers. Thats not many by any comparison of many others who have been in the field much longer, and in larger areas then me. I have yet to work with a single officer/deputy/CO/probation officer that is a "bad cop".

Are some stressed that they have to put up with the BS that is the criminal justice system? hell yes

Are some sick of the public watching over every move they make looking for some little mistake? hell yes

But guess what, It takes a special kind of person to be able to put up with the public scrutiny that officers take, and I doubt most people could take it.

And I hate to say, 99% of americans have no idea what powers an officer are given by the state and federal gov.

 

[JAUQO III-X]

THere are over 800,000 sworn law enforcement officers in the USA. Are you suggesting that over 50% (ie most) don't live up to what they are suppose to do within the confines of the law? How would you have any idea what over 400,000 did or did not do?

People need to stop attempting to put police officers on a pedestal.

Every day people are seeing that more and more police officers are being charged with the type of crimes that they arrest people for.

an excuse for imcompetence? Go memorize every traffic law and penal code. If anyone can do it, I would be amazed.

I'm done with this thread. Jauqo, America is not perfect, Law enforcment is not perfect, People are not perfect. Deal with it. If you expect perfection from everyone, continue to live in your dream land.

I never said that America is perfect nor do I expect it to be.


Some criminals moonlight as police officers and these moonlighters commit crimes just like full time criminals do.

And I'm proud to say that I live in reality.

 

[PasdaBeer]

People need to stop attempting to put police officers on a pedestal.

Every day people are seeing that more and more police officers are being charged with the type of crimes that they arrest people for.





I never said that America is perfect nor do I expect it to be.


Some criminals moonlight as police officers and these moonlighters commit crimes just like full time criminals do.

And I'm proud to say that I live in reality.

sorry jaq, Ill let them know to get off and let you have the pedestal back, along with the rest of the finger pointers who have nothing better to do then bash on LEO/Military, insted of doing something about it.

You want to make a change, join a citizen police review, or get involved with community policing programs.

/done

 

[WorkinOnIt]

Personally, I wouldn't expect them to do this to cater to me as a minority. I'm not arguing the merits of learning how to speak English. I think people that live in this country should learn English. I also think people that speak English should learn other languages too. Knowing more than one language is a benefit, mandated or not. My son is bilingual (Japanese/English), I've written papers for my Masters degree on this stuff, and I encounter it all the time with my Spanish speaking students. My classroom and school, in many of my students cases, is the only time they encounter English during their day. While, the Spanish speaking community is huge (especially here in California), I always convey to my parents the importance of learning English. The only argument I can come up with is that it opens doors and creates more opportunities for them. But in the end, if a person doesn't see the necessity of it, then they will not learn the language. Creating laws and legislation around it will not change this. Conversely, if a parent doesn't see it as important, neither will their children. This is a battle I fight everyday.

I don't know why folks are surprised the woman did not learn English while being here 20 years. But then some of these folks are simply not aware of the size of the non-English speaking community. We are talking about entire subsections of large cities here folks!.

When someone like her (immigrant or born here of immigrant parents) comes into a non-English speaking community of very large numbers and does not wish or expect to be a (insert any position requiring English), there simply is no need to speak English! This is not news around here, but evidently there are folks that don't get this and I can understand.

Picture this:
Your entertainment is in your language of choice (cable TV channels - lots of them).
Your family and friends all speak your language.
Your church is in your language.
Your boss/coworkers speak your language or is bilingual.
Your doctor/clinic is usually bilingual.
All of the businesses you frequent (being capitalists first and foremost) don't care what language you speak. They will all gladly take your money and many are going to extra lengths to get your money. Many full-size billboards in Houston on major freeways are not in English. They used to be bilingual, but now they just drop the English entirely. lol.

I am seriously considering getting that RosettaStone software.

Hope I don't come across negatively as I am cool with the changes. It is inevitable and the world will not end. However, I have always said when a bullfighting ring is built, I am freaking outta here.

 

[CapnSev]

39 cases have been found over the last three years.


It mentions it in the first article link.

My bad. I thought there was a 0 on the end of that three.

 

[CapnSev]

People need to stop attempting to put police officers on a pedestal.

Every day people are seeing that more and more police officers are being charged with the type of crimes that they arrest people for.

How many stories are made a big deal when a police officer saves someone's life, or locks up a dangerous person, or takes a reckless driver off the street, or returns someone's stolen goods, or pulls a drunk driver off the road, or....

If you get caught in a mugging or something in my city, I'll just bow out and let you take care of it there champ.

 

[JAUQO III-X]

If you get caught in a mugging or something in my city, I'll just bow out and let you take care of it there champ.

It probably would be the best thing for you to do. I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.


In all seriousness you guys act like what I'm saying about some cops are false. That's the furthest from the truth. There really are some good officers out there but on the other side of the coin,there are some cops who really are worse than some of the people they arrest.


Stop acting like it isn't.

 

[Marlat]

People need to stop attempting to put police officers on a pedestal.

That's a weak deflection and, for what its worth, a straw man argument. How about you try and answer the question asked?

Every day people are seeing that more and more police officers are being charged with the type of crimes that they arrest people for.

Have you considered the possibility you are falling into a "confirmation bias" problem?

In all seriousness you guys act like what I'm saying about some cops are false. That's the furthest from the truth. There really are some good officers out there but on the other side of the coin,there are some cops who really are worse than some of the people they arrest.

No, in all seriousness you either don't know what you are saying or you are not actually reading the responses put to you. No one here has said that all cops are perfect or that there are not some corrupt cops. Here's what you said:

And officers wouldn't get bashed so much if most of them lived up to what they are suppose to do within the confines of the law.

Now, as I said, there are over 800,000 officers and "most of them" can only mean the majority (even a simple majority). That is what posters are taking issue with. Put simply, the broad generalisation you are making here is no different from someone saying that most african american's are in gangs or most arabs are terrorists. It is extrapolotating from a few cases and generalisaing from the majority. It is a blatent prejudice. Its just that in your case, its not the colour of the skin, but the colour of the uniform. That said, its no less offensive, particularly because those that are the subject of your prejudice have, for the most part, volunteered to serve the community.

Perhaps you just "mispoke" when you said that you thought most police officers don't live up to the law, but based on previous comments you've made, I'm not so sure. Either way, it wouldn't be acceptable to make such a comment about other groups of people without evidence to back it up. You wouldn't tolerate it and you would call others out on their prejudice. Perhaps, in this case, its worth taking a look at your own prejudices?

Oh, if you think I am just saying this because I put police on a pedestal, perhaps you could find any statement i've made in this thread, or any other, that suggests that all police are beyond reproach? Don't spend to much time though, you won't find it. I am well aware of police corruption. However, I am not so prejudiced as to thinking that means the majority of police are corrupt.

 

[Mike N]

There's dishonest people in every profession, not just police departments. Lawyers, mechanics, grocery store employees........ the list is endless. The police, however, are the ones stopping people and writing tickets that ultimately lead to having to go to court and pay a fine. No one likes to be stopped and told they're doing something wrong, no one likes to go to court, and no one likes paying a fine. I think this is why so many people dislike the police. They're just doing their jobs, give them a break.

 

[AnchorHoy]

Spanish actually is native, from some 200 to 400 years ago, to large parts of the US. You can see it reflected in the names of cities and geographical points in the South and Southwest.

And the same can be said for Native American place names all over the NorthEast. Those names go back thousands of years. In New Jersey alone, without even looking on the map; I can think of the towns/cities of Piscataway, Rancocas, Absecon, Ho-Ho-Kus. In Pennsylvania and upstate New York there are dozens more. Even the crown jewel of New York City still carries a native place name - Manhattan

Most of the surviving Lenape 'indians' are in Oklahoma now, but I'm willing to bet that they speak English just as well (or better....) as they do Lenape

My understanding is that the officers in the cases cited in the OP made a rookie mistake: writing a CDL violation for a non-CDL driver. I don't see where that justifies a free pass on the other violations. And just for the record, speaking as a CDL driver myself, I think that the 'English competency' requirement should apply to all licensed drivers. It's a common sense requirement, for very good reasons - to reduce the kind of cluelless idjit behavior that causes confused drivers to make dangerous mistakes that endanger other people's lives

 

[RWP]

 

[PasdaBeer]

It probably would be the best thing for you to do. I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.


In all seriousness you guys act like what I'm saying about some cops are false. That's the furthest from the truth. There really are some good officers out there but on the other side of the coin,there are some cops who really are worse than some of the people they arrest.


Stop acting like it isn't.

I never said they did not. I said there are a few did. You suggested that over 50% (most) are corrupt. You suggest that making a a 1/10 error is a sign of incompetence, when You have no idea what the job entitles. During a traffic stop you have your safety ( more officers are killed in traffic stops then anything else, mainly by other drivers hitting them from oncoming traffic ), they are watching the subject in the vehicle for any suspicious movement ( more officers are killed by firearms during traffic stops then any other call ).

So yea, writing the ticket isn't the first thing on their mind.


Basically you posted a article which bashed police. You expected everyone to jump on your bandwagon and knock them. You got a response you didn't like, made a stupid, biased,stereotype of police, and are tying to back out of it now.

 

[Bob Lee (QSC)]

And the same can be said for Native American place names all over the NorthEast. Those names go back thousands of years. In New Jersey alone, without even looking on the map; I can think of the towns/cities of Piscataway, Rancocas, Absecon, Ho-Ho-Kus. In Pennsylvania and upstate New York there are dozens more. Even the crown jewel of New York City still carries a native place name - Manhattan

Most of the surviving Lenape 'indians' are in Oklahoma now, but I'm willing to bet that they speak English just as well (or better....) as they do Lenape

Yup. Spanish and the Native American languages have been here for some time.

Also, Dutch, French, Swedish, etc. The US expanded into most of the the Spanish-speaking regions later in history, though, so I hardly find it alarming that languages mix and overlap there. I don't see any need for any government effort to quash exterminate other languages, like there was for the Native American ones.

 

[aborgman]

THere are over 800,000 sworn law enforcement officers in the USA. Are you suggesting that over 50% (ie most) don't live up to what they are suppose to do within the confines of the law?

Sure.

...and I'd be willing to bet the number is significantly higher than 50% if we're talking about non-police officers.

A significant majority of citizens in the USA, law enforcement officers or otherwise, don't live up to what they are suppose to do within the confines of the law.

 

[Marlat]

Sure.

...and I'd be willing to bet the number is significantly higher than 50% if we're talking about non-police officers.

A significant majority of citizens in the USA, law enforcement officers or otherwise, don't live up to what they are suppose to do within the confines of the law.

I wondered how long it would take someone to try and make that argument. If you think that was the intent behind the original statement then, well, that's what you think. I read it differently.

 

[etoncrow]

...A significant majority of citizens in the USA, law enforcement officers or otherwise, don't live up to what they are suppose to do within the confines of the law.

"I believe that's what we call freedom", he only half jokingly responded.

I went to the court house to pay a traffic violation. The clerk in the Sheriff's office told me I had to go to the criminal court downstairs. I told her, "I am not a criminal." That's when the chief deputy came out of his office and said, "Everybody is a criminal." I can only suppose he meant himself as well.

 

[PasdaBeer]

traffic violation is still a criminal act : ) sorry to tell ya!

Anyone who feels officers have a diffrent, and negitive attitude in general should read the book I love a Cop, by ellen kirschman.

Specificaly about the "Officers paradox"

 

[Rocker949]

Some of you seem to be living more in your idealized versions of the way you think things should be rather than in the harsh reality of the real world.