Explain me the 'Fender is God' thing

[Snakeman1066]

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the above link is a page written by Howard E. Daniel the son of Nathan and even he states that his dad made stuff under the Airline name....why would he state that if it were not true?

Howard also states in his article that this information is also available as the introduction to Neptune Bound by Doug Tulloch

i would cut and paste but the page won't let you so i provided the link

also the book is called The Bass book by Tony Bacon

somehow i get the impression that even if i explained the sky only looked blue because of the way our eyes percieve light, you would argue the particualr shade?

 

[Snakeman1066]

LOL, there was no "making inferior copies" for Sears or anyone else involved at Danelectro. That's how they always made instruments. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

I have several of Sears Dano basses and they don't even have an adjustable trussrod (no original Danos I've seen did). Yet those necks haven't gone out of true in almost 50 years. One of them had it's frets pulled and the fret slots left open over 20 years ago and it's still not needed adjustment. Every single Fender I've ever owned required at least seasonal neck adjustments.

Fender developed the Bass VI well after the Dano six string. The Bass VI didn't exactly set the bass world on fire.

i wouldn't bow either if i had two steel i beams re-infocing me and according to the company's own history the poplar necks were slowly dried in a climate controlled room

 

[bassteban]

Read the OP. No comment other than *drunk heffalump* is a great username.

 

[68Goldfish]

It's true, Fender Bassman amps from the late '50s through the mid '70s are very popular with guitarists. I ran a couple myself when I played more guitar.

I'll give Glenn the double burn.

The little fender bassman head that my guitar player uses is, in my opinion, his best sounding amp.

 

[rustynuts]

i would cut and paste but the page won't let you so i provided the link

Here it is for you:

After supplying Epiphone again for about a year, he won contracts to make amplifiers for two major national retail chains, Sears Roebuck and Montgomery Ward. These were sold under their respective brand names, Silvertone and Airline. For about two decades Danelectro was the sole supplier of Sears’ Silvertone amplifiers.

 

[GregC]

ok i'll address each one....

Entwistle started on Fender and moved to Rickenbacker basses in the late 1960s, Alembic's basses in the 1970s, Warwick in the 1980s, and Status all-graphite basses in the 1990s.

Wyman played a number of basses including a Framus Star bass, a Vox Teardrop bass, a Fender Mustang Bass, two Ampeg Dan Armstrong basses, a Gibson SG Bass, a Rickenbacker 4005 and a Travis Bean bass, and then Steinberger basses...

Lynott Started on Ric's and them moved to the P

Deacon recorded and played live with Ric's until 72' at which time he stated that he had trouble with his 4001 and switched to 67' P bass from roughly late 80 to 85 he played a custom Kramer and eventually went back to Fender

Entwistle played primarily Gibsons and Fenderbirds between Fender and Alembic. According to thewho.net, he played a Ric for a while in '65--before he really used Fender Ps extensively. Then he used a 4005L "light show" in the studio only in '89-'70.

It sounds like Wyman, as I suspected, didn't play a Ric much.

Same with Lynott.

Waters, whom you mentioned earlier, played a Ric from '66-'69. Then, according to wikipedia, he rarely used anything other than a P after that.

Deacon only joined Queen in 1971, so if he switched to a P in 1972 and played it until '85, that, along with these other examples, doesn't do much to support your statement:

and actually in the 70's you saw more Ric's than Fenders on stage

 

[Snakeman1066]

thanks for some reason when i tried to do that it wouldn't let me....

I don't claim to be an expert fells just repeating stuff i had read....

i think i see where the confusion came in though....I don't think i ever typed anywhere that that Silvertone provided basses or guitars to Motgomery Wards.....but simply that they had manufactured products under the Airline name and manufactured products to Wards under contract....

but whatever....I'm tired of this thread it appears the Fender Mafia won't let go of the fact that there are more/other/better choices out there.....so I'm going to go play my obviously inferior Ric, Trabens, ESP's and B.C. Rich's and let you have it....(note the heavy sarcasm)

and for the record i have flirted with Fenders over the years having owned a PJ and a Jazz.....but i could never get a sound that i really liked out of either one...although I enjoyed the Jazz neck

peace

 

[Snakeman1066]

Entwistle played primarily Gibsons and Fenderbirds between Fender and Alembic. According to thewho.net, he played a Ric for a while in '65--before he really used Fender Ps extensively. Then he used a 4005L "light show" in the studio only in '89-'70.

It sounds like Wyman, as I suspected, didn't play a Ric much.

Same with Lynott.

Waters, whom you mentioned earlier, played a Ric from '66-'69. Then, according to wikipedia, he rarely used anything other than a P after that.

Deacon only joined Queen in 1971, so if he switched to a P in 1972 and played it until '85, that, along with these other examples, doesn't do much to support your statement:

what statement? that they played a Ric? According to their own bio's and the history of the Ric Company all these players were endorsed and or played a Ric at some point in their careers....

ok off to read my Copy of How the Fender Bass changed the world...lol

 

[ikestr]

Look, Fender is good for what it does but it is by no means the end all and be all of bass, not by a long shot. Ive owned several Fender items, from basses to amps to gu**ars, over 20 years and they did good. I havent owned any Fender products in over 4 years, Fender just doesnt do it for me anymore.

ikestr

 

[GregC]

what statement? that they played a Ric? According to their own bio's and the history of the Ric Company all these players were endorsed and or played a Ric at some point in their careers....

ok off to read my Copy of How the Fender Bass changed the world...lol

*throws up hands* I helpfully quoted that statement in my last post.

and actually in the 70's you saw more Ric's than Fenders on stage

Pretty lame to label everyone who challenges your statements as the "Fender Mafia". I own one Fender, 3 Laklands and a Reverend. And as I already said, I dig Rics. But hey, you're hardly the first here to resort to tossing that label around.

 

[Snakeman1066]

i wasn't actually aiming that comment at you.....just in general at this thread

i grew up in the 70's and i guess what i should have typed was i personally saw more Ric's being played on stage in the 70's than i did Fenders....is that better?

also I admitted that i was biased against Fenders because of a music teacher in junior high and high school that rammed Fenders and Ampeg down my throat and not allowing me to play anything but....

as a result my first personal purchase was a 1983 B.C. Rich Mockinbird and a Hartke Amp...lol

and people can challenge my statments all they want....but i'm old and set in my ways.....(get off my lawn and turn that crap down) i'm not going to do any new tricks or Pick up a Fender anytime soon

 

[mongo2]

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the above link is a page written by Howard E. Daniel the son of Nathan and even he states that his dad made stuff under the Airline name....why would he state that if it were not true?

Howard also states in his article that this information is also available as the introduction to Neptune Bound by Doug Tulloch

i would cut and paste but the page won't let you so i provided the link

also the book is called The Bass book by Tony Bacon

Again, amplifiers not instruments.

I qouted you the pertinent passages from the Introduction and History section (page 6) in "Guitars from Neptune" co-authored by Doug Tulloch.

 

[mongo2]

i wouldn't bow either if i had two steel i beams re-infocing me and according to the company's own history the poplar necks were slowly dried in a climate controlled room

Excatly. They got that right. And they certainly hold better than Fender or any other adjustable turssrod instrument I've ever owned.

 

[mongo2]

....I don't think i ever typed anywhere that that Silvertone provided basses or guitars to Motgomery Wards.....but simply that they had manufactured products under the Airline name and manufactured products to Wards under contract....

You posted:

Danelectro made a huge mistake by marketing to Sears and Montgomery Wards and knocking of their own products by making inferior copies of plywood and masonite...the six string never caught on and only seemed to find a home in Nashville

Since many companies use plywood for amp cabinets and this thread is about instruments, and Danelectro made instruments using masonite, you're obviously referring to instruments.

I don't think anyone here ever accused Fender of being a "god" in the bass amp or cabinet department.

You also posted:

hate to burst you bubble buddy but Danelectro built Silvertone and Airline brands as well as various Store brands and worked as a jobber for other companies making replacement parts...read your history books....

Looks like you're the one who needs to pay more attention in that regard...buddy.

 

[rustynuts]

also I admitted that i was biased against Fenders because of a music teacher in junior high and high school that rammed Fenders and Ampeg down my throat and not allowing me to play anything but....

as a result my first personal purchase was a 1983 B.C. Rich Mockinbird and a Hartke Amp...lol

and people can challenge my statments all they want....but i'm old and set in my ways.....(get off my lawn and turn that crap down) i'm not going to do any new tricks or Pick up a Fender anytime soon

I'm old and set in my ways as well, and up until last fall I swore I'd never own a Fender. Back in the day, when I played guitar before a little reptilian accident left me without the use of the middle finger on my right hand, I had no use for anything "Fender". I too had had the brand crammed down my throat from an early age.

A year and a half ago I took up bass (I wish I had done so long ago as I much prefer this instrument) and while I was looking for a bass that suited me better several people here kept suggesting a Fender Precision. Of course I blew them off. For months on end I didn't even bother to find a Fender dealer so I could try one out. I even went so far as to pick up a non-Fender P which I hated, reinforcing my perception of the P bass.

Then one day I went to a local shop and a customer was there with their brand new MIM electron blue P....I'm a sucker for blue so I wanted to look at it. The guy offered to let me play it, and while I really did not want to it was obvious that he was very proud of his new purchase and wanted to share so I did.

I came straight home and ordered a MIM electron blue P bass from American Musical.

 

[BottomE]

I can see where you are coming from. A lot of the Fenders that i have played have varied in quality by a long way. The new USA Fenders are overpriced IMHO. The build quality/finish of the Mexican ones are at best medium and just don't go down the SQUIRE route.

The trouble with buying basses is that its hard to tell how good it is going to be until you have gigged it a few times meaning you won't really know until after you have bought it!

 

[Joe164]

Fender basses and guitars were the first, maybe not the best aesthetically, but theres a certain something you get when you own one that you cant really describe. They are so comfortable and practical, classic looking - its like saying fancy a ducati? kawasaki? No, i'll go with my Harley.

 

[GlennW]

Fender basses and guitars were the first...

They weren't the first for either.

 

[mongo2]

They weren't the first for either.

+1

 

[Lunchbox4u_6]

Earlier in this thread I said I'd never played a Fender that I'd liked. I was out visiting music stores over the weekend and have to admit that found 2! One isn't manufactured anymore, it was a 5 string p/j with a maple neck and the other was 2005 american jazz, but the setup was amazing, it also had a maple neck. So, here i stand corrected in my previous hate of Fender. I'll be buying at least one if not both of those very soon.