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Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 Appreciation Thread

#81
Musicman20 said:
Thanks and thanks for the input above Red Planet.

Im pretty tempted to pull the trigger if my new job(s) I have just been interviewed for work out. My dealer has offered me a very good price. Its between that or an Ibanez Promethean 1x10 Combo...thats cheap, but Im a bit concerned its also very close to the tones Ive already got with the LM3/RH450 and Orange.

You guessed it....I LOVE amps.
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Nothing wrong with liking amps.

Though after I got my Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 I got rid of all the rest of them. It's now the only amp I have.
 
#83
Bummer, my 9 crapped out on a gig. The lights were on but nobody was home (indicators worked but no sound). I had to bail to my backup amp to finish the night.

Everything worked fine later at home. I suspect it was a power issue at the venue.

My 6 had a similar issue with wonky power at an outdoor gig last summer where the host (unbeknownst to us) had us plugged into one outlet with a very long extension cord.
 
#84
mongo2 said:
Bummer, my 9 crapped out on a gig. The lights were on but nobody was home (indicators worked but no sound). I had to bail to my backup amp to finish the night.

Everything worked fine later at home. I suspect it was a power issue at the venue.

My 6 had a similar issue with wonky power at an outdoor gig last summer where the host (unbeknownst to us) had us plugged into one outlet with a very long extension cord.
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Oh-O, I sold my backup for cab money thinking a Genz Benz is reliable enough to not need a back up. Hope its just a crappy power source issue. Did the DI still work? Did the thermal or protect light come on?

With all the protection GB puts in these head anyone know what it would take to toast one? Can you toast a 9.0 or is it impossible short of lightning?
 
#85
Before assuming it's an amp problem, a little troubleshooting is in order to eliminate possible outside causes such as a bad speaker cable, very low line voltage, etc. The protection is quite thorough, if the amp goes into protect mode due to bad power, that's to protect the amp from possible damage. Very low or high line voltage can damage amps.

If you experience any more problems, PM me and I'll walk you through some quick troubleshooting to be sure we get you sorted out.
 
#86
agedhorse said:
Before assuming it's an amp problem, a little troubleshooting is in order to eliminate possible outside causes such as a bad speaker cable, very low line voltage, etc. The protection is quite thorough, if the amp goes into protect mode due to bad power, that's to protect the amp from possible damage. Very low or high line voltage can damage amps.

If you experience any more problems, PM me and I'll walk you through some quick troubleshooting to be sure we get you sorted out.
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The thermal light did come on but maybe there was also low line voltage judging from the fact that the guitarst was also having strangeness from his amp that he associated with low line voltage.

It wasn't particulary hot in the club and teh area around the amp was well ventilated.
 
#87
An amp may work "ok" at low line voltage until it may eventually fail. If this happens, you now have an expensive AND non-working solution. Kind of like driving with badly worn tires... works ok until it suddenly doesn't.

A typical line conditioner does essentially nothing useful except conveniently distribute power to multiple receptacles. A line voltage regulator would be the proper solution, though some of these can cause their own set of problems where the low line voltage is caused by long undersized source wiring. I have described what happens under these conditions in past discussions on this topic.

Incidently, the line voltage needs to fall to around <100 volts for the protection to activate. This is really not good for your other equipment also.
 
#88
mongo2 said:
The thermal light did come on but maybe there was also low line voltage judging from the fact that the guitarst was also having strangeness from his amp that he associated with low line voltage.

It wasn't particulary hot in the club and teh area around the amp was well ventilated.
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The thermal light may come on as the protection circuit is transitioning, as the (internal) power down and power up sequences monitor a variety of parameters to be sure that everything is functioning properly. I suspect that your line voltage is falling below 100V which is dangerous to your other equipment also.
 
#89
I sent my 9.0 into protect mode one time. Heheehehehehehehe was a mistake on my part. That was a while ago and I've not had any issues with it sense. :smug:

I'm not sure how one could feel this way about an object but I am so in love with my 9.0. Gosh what a great amp. :)
 
#90
agedhorse said:
An amp may work "ok" at low line voltage until it may eventually fail. If this happens, you now have an expensive AND non-working solution. Kind of like driving with badly worn tires... works ok until it suddenly doesn't.

A typical line conditioner does essentially nothing useful except conveniently distribute power to multiple receptacles. A line voltage regulator would be the proper solution, though some of these can cause their own set of problems where the low line voltage is caused by long undersized source wiring. I have described what happens under these conditions in past discussions on this topic.

Incidently, the line voltage needs to fall to around <100 volts for the protection to activate. This is really not good for your other equipment also.
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Does "not good for the amp" mean if it didn't have a protection circuit it would be bad for the amp? Is the amp safe from low line voltage with the protection circuit or just at a reduced risk?

.. an important note for us 9.0 lovers.
 
#91
Red Planet said:
I sent my 9.0 into protect mode one time. Heheehehehehehehe was a mistake on my part. That was a while ago and I've not had any issues with it sense. :smug:

I'm not sure how one could feel this way about an object but I am so in love with my 9.0. Gosh what a great amp. :)
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I don't think it is wierd to feel that way about your 9.0, though my band sure is over hearing me talk about how much I love it.
 
#92
So last night I had backline at the gig. I took my 9.0 along just in case. I plugged into an Acoustic B600H and a B810.

It was very hard to get a sound I liked. The Acoustic head has a lot of eq possibilities, but there was just an inherent sound to the rig I couldn't eq out. So I hooked up the 9.0.
The difference was huge. Bigger, warmer, punchier. And as much headroom as I would ever need with this 8x10 box.
The B810 is so mid voiced that I engaged both the low and high boost. It really sounded quite good with fingers, pick, and slapping. Perhaps not quite as good as if I had a more upper end box, (SVT, etc) but it most certainly kicked ass. I was actually having fun with the tone. The 9.0 is a wonderful amp.
 
#93
I am going to guess it is NOT heat related.. I just did an outdoor gig this week in Texas. Private party on a lake.. It was 106 degrees outside.. No shade for the amp at 4 pm.... the top of my shuttle 9 was so hot from the sun baking it that i could have burned my hand when touching the chassis.. It was freaking hot..Scorching hot... Im not kidding,, Black paint under sun gets 150 or more im guessing.. the sun was beating down on it all day from when crew set up till show time....on indoor gigs this amp never gets hot even when i bury it... it runs cool.

And even though it was sitting in hot sun all afternoon till showtime and sucking in 106 air to cool it.. it did not shut down when it pushed an 810 cab at 4 ohms for 90 minutes..
By the way it will be 107 degrees here tomorrow..
So i diont think it was the heat in a club since there is no way a club is going to get that hot.

Could be a low power issue though..
I tell if i cant kill this amp i don't think anyone can.. I torture my gear... Im ruthless.. and it keeps going.. had to be external crummy power my guess..
Just my experiences and long winded story..

mongo2 said:
The thermal light did come on but maybe there was also low line voltage judging from the fact that the guitarst was also having strangeness from his amp that he associated with low line voltage.

It wasn't particulary hot in the club and teh area around the amp was well ventilated.
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#94
OhulahanBass said:
I don't think it is wierd to feel that way about your 9.0, though my band sure is over hearing me talk about how much I love it.
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It's really quite odd. I feel a sense of foundness for the 9.0 I can't really explain well.

Kind of like it makes me happy when I think of it (I'm so pleased).

But with none of those feelings of I need to crush someone that comes along and says negatives about it. If someone dosnt like it I figure it is their loss. Heck I really don't want everyone in the world to have my secret weapon. "Thats James, James Bond". :D
 
#95
OhulahanBass said:
Does "not good for the amp" mean if it didn't have a protection circuit it would be bad for the amp? Is the amp safe from low line voltage with the protection circuit or just at a reduced risk?

.. an important note for us 9.0 lovers.
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The protection circuit from low line voltage.

Amps that do not protect from low line voltage may face an increased risk of failure.
 
#96
I've had my Shuttle 9.0 for about 2 1/2 weeks and love it. I haven't had time to really experiment with it (the gig I have been doing mostly has an amp in place), but I haven't needed to. I was using a Clarus Series 1 and really had no headroom, although I was happy with the sound for double bass. With the Shuttle I can get a warmer and more natural sound from my big bass with power to spare. I have only tried the electric on it at home and was floored at how good it sounded on my array of electric basses; passive and active Yamaha 5's and my active Modulus. I can't wait to double on it. Last night at a gig I had a well respected bass player from Denver sit in on the last tune and he was thoroughly impressed as well. I'm running it through a Aguilar 112 speaker now, but will soon get a 2-10 cab. Or maybe a Wizzy 10....

Thanks Genz Benz...I knew I'd love it and I do!!!:hyper:

John
 
#97
FYI

For those who have stated the 9.0 doesn't really sound any louder than xyz amp.......

I recently had to hook my 9.0 to a 2x18 4 ohm sub cab for a quick rehearsal before a gig with a group I rarely play with. I turned it on, set the master volume at half way, and Kawhammy Kaboooooommmmm. It scared the pea riney out of the rest of the band. They were headed for the hills! :D

It was unbelievable how loud and thunderous that thing was hooked into a cab that would take all of it's power.

My fellow band-mates were astonished what this little box would do. :eek::smug:
 
#100
GK 412 Neo

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