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Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 discussion thread

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There is more overall gain on the 9.0 because there is more power, but the preamp gain levels are quite similar between the 6.0 and 9.0.

IF you want real overdrive with low output passive pickups (not all passives are low output BTW) then a small preamp or boost pedal might be desireable. That said, most basses have no problem getting a mild to medium overdrive on either amps. For heavier overdrive, the ShuttleMax has an added gain stage, but this gets deeper into overdrive territory with most basses and may not be what everyone desires so it's switchable out of the signal path.

Medium overdrive is good for me. Ive got a Sansamp BDDI or Aguilar Tone Hammer for full on dirt. Just having a nice bit of dirt when playing with a pick would be great. Ive noticed the output on my new Fenders is pretty substantial, im impressed.

Although, sometime I will be using Stingrays and thus getting the same sorta overdrive on the recent Bass Whisperer video.

I think its gotta be the Shuttle 9.0 for me.
 
Medium overdrive is good for me. Ive got a Sansamp BDDI or Aguilar Tone Hammer for full on dirt. Just having a nice bit of dirt when playing with a pick would be great. Ive noticed the output on my new Fenders is pretty substantial, im impressed.

Although, sometime I will be using Stingrays and thus getting the same sorta overdrive on the recent Bass Whisperer video.

I think its gotta be the Shuttle 9.0 for me.

I just double checked and medium od was no problem with my passive pj (both pups are SD Antiquity IIs).
 
Note that pickups in general have been getting hotter and hotter over the years, even passives. Those of you that do have low output passive pickups that also want to get more overdrive might try a preamp or boost pedal to see how that works. Something with less than 10dB of gain should be plenty.
 
The weight and price of these units is pretty attractive. I've heard everything from "they're great, but you gotta buy two" to "they sound sterile and thin". I've heard them a few times and I thought they sounded just fine, clean and clear.
I play many types of music, some of which is pretty demanding on my equipment; Neo Soul, R&B, Dancehall, Urban, Hip Hop/Club Hits. The venues vary, I don't play really loud but I do need to get heavy, maxing-out the bottom end of a Shroeder 1212L does happen from time to time.
Would an amp like this be worth considering for this type of application? Hopefully if answering this post you've got some experience with these genres of music and understand the specific challenges involved as they are a bit different from many other styles of music.

Thanks,
LPB
 
The weight and price of these units is pretty attractive. I've heard everything from "they're great, but you gotta buy two" to "they sound sterile and thin". I've heard them a few times and I thought they sounded just fine, clean and clear.
I play many types of music, some of which is pretty demanding on my equipment; Neo Soul, R&B, Dancehall, Urban, Hip Hop/Club Hits. The venues vary, I don't play really loud but I do need to get heavy, maxing-out the bottom end of a Shroeder 1212L does happen from time to time.
Would an amp like this be worth considering for this type of application? Hopefully if answering this post you've got some experience with these genres of music and understand the specific challenges involved as they are a bit different from many other styles of music.

Thanks,
LPB

I'll try to make a run at this one... I just picked a Schroeder 1212 and have been playing with the eq to see how this cab matches up to this head. I play in a 7 piece horn band that plays everything... literally, and a Praise Band, and a Jazz Orchestra type setting.... so versatility is a must.
The Genz 9.0 through this cab CAN be what you are looking for. My take is the 1212L is a little lighter on the bottom end than a Genz 112 neox, but the lower overall range of the 9.0 and additional power from the 6.0 seems to fill in the bottom with adding a touch of bass. Straight out of the box it is quite a LOUD combination, small footprint when standing the cab on end, and the eq on the 9.0 will take you from top-heavy treble slap tone that will almost hurt your ears, all the way to dark and dirty for an overdriven R&R classic sound, to the buttery jazz with a true old-school fat-ness that makes you look twice to see if you are playing an upright.
To me, it seems to be a pretty winning combination.
If you have any specific questions, send me a pm, glad to help if I can.
BTW, I always use to carry a 'spare' amp, currently this is the only one I own. I have that much confidence in it!!
 
If you would like to talk about it let me know... I am free after noon your time






The weight and price of these units is pretty attractive. I've heard everything from "they're great, but you gotta buy two" to "they sound sterile and thin". I've heard them a few times and I thought they sounded just fine, clean and clear.
I play many types of music, some of which is pretty demanding on my equipment; Neo Soul, R&B, Dancehall, Urban, Hip Hop/Club Hits. The venues vary, I don't play really loud but I do need to get heavy, maxing-out the bottom end of a Shroeder 1212L does happen from time to time.
Would an amp like this be worth considering for this type of application? Hopefully if answering this post you've got some experience with these genres of music and understand the specific challenges involved as they are a bit different from many other styles of music.

Thanks,
LPB
 
Yes it definitely does. The fact is I liked the 9.0 sound so much at home I was sure the LMT800 was going back. Now I guess they both are. I guess I am about to give up on the micro amp idea and stick with my WT800 or 902c. I really liked the idea of those little gig bags for load in convenience.
I hope yours works out for you!
If you liked the tone and power, give it a second chance. No way this is normal! You just drew that 1 in million card and had a problem. Let Genz fix this and you'll likely never have a problem ever again.
 
I used the Shuttle 9.0 and the LMT800 last night, outside gig, let the best sounding amp win. I started the night with the 9.0. Several measures into the second song it died. That's right no sound just the operate light was lit. No protection light nothing just NO SOUND! Fortunately they were side by side so I quickly changed the power cord and the speaker cable over to the LMT800 and finished the rest of night.
I can tell you this was a huge disappointment. Complete sound failure on the first gig second song... totally unacceptable. My expectations were I would be keeping the 9.0, obviously not. What a let down!

Your duplicated posts make it difficult to follow... please see my post in the other thread also:

agedhorse said:
Dr Funk, please PM me with the details of this. As we have not seen any 9.0 failures I would like to know everything that may be pertenant to your gig that might help me understand what happened. Have you tried it since to be sure it wasn't something like a Speakon that wasn't fully latched, or something intermittent that was external to the amp itself? Were you using anything in the effects loop?
 
If you liked the tone and power, give it a second chance. No way this is normal! You just drew that 1 in million card and had a problem. Let Genz fix this and you'll likely never have a problem ever again.

To be clear I like the tone for sure but the power issue was to be resolved last night.
No Doubt, I will try it again tonight.
GB has the best CS in the business, it's why I bought my first GBE1200. I really suspect it is a Speakon issue and frankly GB installs, not manufactures these, it's a part.
I can always send it back regardless.
 
Since this topic is spread out over three different threads, let's keep the information in context so that it's helpful to others in general if they happen to stumble across this thread years later:

agedhorse said:
Before there are a bunch of wild theories about failures, I would like to share with you some troubleshooting techniques that can help determine if the problem is within the unit or form an external or semi-related cause that is not specific to the unit but more of a general issue that might affect all manufacturers regardless of the topology of the amp. Here's a brief refersher course:

1. If you experience a loss of audio, slow down and verify a few simple things (like cables, connectors, power, battery, wireless) BEFORE moving onto the more unlikely and speculative things. I can't tell you the number of "amplifier problems" I have troubleshot only to spend additional time with the customer to determine that it was something completely unrelated to the amp. It's no problem, sometimes things get overlooked in the panic of the moment, but just a few days ago I was deep into talking somebody "off the ledge" and discovered that the power circuit the amp was plugged into was off. Sh*t happens, simple fix.

2. Eliminate all external signal paths, for example devices in the effects loop, in-line tuner, pedal board etc. Rule out these things before assuming it's the amp, bass or speaker cabinet. I remember a problem where the player was complaining of excessive distortion and was sure the amp was the culprit. Seemed reasonable, I spent a couple hourse testing and retesting the amp, couldn't find anything wrong. Sent it back and he had the same problem. Turns out the muting circuit on his in-line tuner had failed and was partially shorting the signal line on his active bass. The audio clips really did sound like a bad amp but in fact had nothing to do with the amp.

3. Verify that the 3 basic components are working correctly. The bass works and has clean output (I can't tell you the number of "amp problems" that were due to a player forgetting that there was a battery in the bass for active pickups), the speaker operates correctly (speak-on wiring problems are not uncommon, things like somebody uses a bridging cable (1+/2+) with a standard amp (1+/1-) or a 2+/2- specialty cable) and then that the amp works with a known good bass and cabinet.

4. If the amp has a serial or series effects loop, verify that the loop is not intermittent and passes signal by plugging a short shielded cable from the effects send to return. This is an issue ALL manufacturer's experience to some degree, including pro audio consoles that use TRS insert points. For some reason, spiders like those little holes and effects return jacks contain a normalling switch that routes the signal back into the amp when the loop is not used. The spider web silk is a good insulator and it seems to get everywhere.

5. Contact the manufacturer for support. Many manufacurers are quite good at helping troubleshoot and diagnose these problems. We try hard to insure that the real problem is resolved, I normally handle support for the touring world (25 years in pro audio) so my approach may be a litttle more sophisticated and "experienced" than others, but at least give them a chance to support you.

6. Verify that the power is indeed good. The new amps contain much more sophisticated protection circuitry that will protect the amp against most (reasonable) power like RFI, transient spikes and undervoltage. Voltage under 95-ish volts is considered a fault that could possible damage the power supply or amp section and the power supply will shut down to isolate the amp from this fault. Technically, the excessive ripple and artifacts can causes problems with the voltage doubler circuit and may exceed the limits of some of the SMPS components. It's better to protect than let the amp possibly fail. My best guess is that this is the problem with biobasses unit pending further information.

Frankly, I haven't seen an actual failure of the 9.0 unit yet so this is why I want to handle this unit personally as I am "the guy" responsible for failure analysis. The high reliability of the class D product is a double-edged sward... they have proven to be so reliable that we just don't get all that much opportunity or experience analyzing faults. Because of this, I don't know what might have happened. Let's see this through and determine the real cause and resolve.

We'll get Dr Funk up and running in no time.

Hope this info. helps.
 
Well, I took my 9.0 and my MB LMT 800 to my gig last night and here are some quick thoughts -

I play with a real loud band and the 9.0 worked fine for volume through (2) Berg AE210's. I had the tube gain at about 1:00 o'clock, tube volume at noon and the master at noon. I also use a Demeter Compulator with this rig. I hooked up the LMT800 for the second set and it was loud, but not quite a clear and articulate as the 9.0. Another Bass player I respect came by and said he 9.0 sounded clearer to him, more defined. I changed back to the 9.0 for the third set and I agree with him. For some reason, even with the compressor, I have trouble controlling the sound / volume of the LMT. I get feedback / sustain with the LMT 800 that is hard to control.

All in all, I am happy with both amps, I don't have enough experience with either of them in gig situations to say one is better than the other, since I am sure changes in the eq would benefit both amps and I need to spend some more time getting comfortable with both of them. I like to have 2 amps, so I always have a back up, at this point, I don't know which of these will become my "go to" and which will be the back up, that will be determined with a little more time.

From a volume perspective, and keep in mind I play in a LOUD band, both can keep up. I got rid of my Shuttle 6.0, it couldn't keep up with this 3 guitard band!

Don't know if that helps, just my experience / opinion!
 
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