No sorry the dead wall of sound. Time to get back on topic, but I guess this is what happens when there's no new news from Jeff.....
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Genzler Amplification ! New Genz Benz ?
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Jeff Genzler
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I'm happy to answer questions, as time permits.
I believe someone asked yesterday what 12" woofers are being used?
They are Faital in both the Magellan and Bass Array models.
People don't realise how restricted Jeff is from comments in THIS thread, it is his own product so his participation can't exceed the CUP agreement.
Jeff is doing a great job, lets keep him here
Jeff is doing a great job, lets keep him here
Well, since the 3s are what set this design apart visually, let's hear a little more about them.
Are they Faitals, too...custom or off-the-shelf...open or closed back...sensitivity, etc.?
How did you arrive a the 4 x 3" array vs. some other configuration?
Is the array level adjustable?
Yep... I asked, and thanks for the response.
Are they a "LF" type design with extended xmax?
I'm in the market for a couple of 12" cabs, akin to the "super-twelve" cabs out there (the Baer cabs are one my short list) with dedicated mids, and this seems to fit the bill, but would like some more info on the twelve I guess.
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Yes, but the piezos on that BFM design are very, very inexpensive. I don't mind piezo tweeters in general, but I did not like those (in that design, at least).
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do you mean the Meyers or BFMs?
The Meyers i mentioned I think were the MSL3 dick cabs? Ive seen other versions online that have some type of horn....
Meyer was very hush hush about a lot of their stuff. Didnt like people snooping.. As was Showco .. Their Prism System was very hush hush for years.. May have been one of the first commercially used and fairly easy to configure Line Arc arrays to be used in arena settings ...
The first official unveiling was actually on a gig that I played for HBO. It was the Atlantic records 40th anniversary at Madison square garden.. They got to show that system off.. and it changed the way FOH was ever since. The Claire S4 almost became obsolete overnight.
I became real good friends with the guys at showco and vari light. We worked together often.
They showed me what was in the Prism system..It was a few different cab configurations used in a line array.. It consisted of Perhaps 10 different speaker configs in cabs that looked alike.. .. they looked similar from the outside. But varied drastically.. It worked.. It worked well. Changed Live sound forever.
Line Array has really caught on the past 15 years or so.. I even see local bands using them in bar gigs..
I assume it will sound pretty good in a bass cab..
The Meyers i mentioned I think were the MSL3 dick cabs? Ive seen other versions online that have some type of horn....
Meyer was very hush hush about a lot of their stuff. Didnt like people snooping.. As was Showco .. Their Prism System was very hush hush for years.. May have been one of the first commercially used and fairly easy to configure Line Arc arrays to be used in arena settings ...
The first official unveiling was actually on a gig that I played for HBO. It was the Atlantic records 40th anniversary at Madison square garden.. They got to show that system off.. and it changed the way FOH was ever since. The Claire S4 almost became obsolete overnight.
I became real good friends with the guys at showco and vari light. We worked together often.
They showed me what was in the Prism system..It was a few different cab configurations used in a line array.. It consisted of Perhaps 10 different speaker configs in cabs that looked alike.. .. they looked similar from the outside. But varied drastically.. It worked.. It worked well. Changed Live sound forever.
Line Array has really caught on the past 15 years or so.. I even see local bands using them in bar gigs..
I assume it will sound pretty good in a bass cab..
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i haven't even heard the box... but the pics look cool
Whats cool about the 12-3 is its an all paper cone cab.. That alone adds a nice dimension.
90% of bass cabs have a compression tweeter sitting in the corner of the box, and by the very nature of that config it may be difficult to have a smooth blend between low freq driver and the tweet.. Often there is a sonic hole.. . Which can be great for some style or players.. Me too. I dig it at times.
Sure other companies have made 2 way bass boxes with all paper cones.. But none that i know of have done a Line Array type like the 12-3. If it goes deep and has smooth tradition it could be a home run
Whats cool about the 12-3 is its an all paper cone cab.. That alone adds a nice dimension.
90% of bass cabs have a compression tweeter sitting in the corner of the box, and by the very nature of that config it may be difficult to have a smooth blend between low freq driver and the tweet.. Often there is a sonic hole.. . Which can be great for some style or players.. Me too. I dig it at times.
Sure other companies have made 2 way bass boxes with all paper cones.. But none that i know of have done a Line Array type like the 12-3. If it goes deep and has smooth tradition it could be a home run
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I don't recall any of the MSL cabinets using piezos, only the little under balcony speakers (UPM?). Everything else was medium and large format compression drivers.
Hey Kirk, I remember the S4, big, super heavy, loud all in one 4 way boxes full of JBL drivers. about 4' x 4' and probably 400 lbs or so. I do not miss those days one bit! Especially stacking and rigging them.
There was the Piston system before the Prism system, the Pistons were tall, skinny horizontally arrayable boxes that were a leap forward sound quality wise with much less comb filtering. The key was tight packing when flying, the same concept used with the Prism in the vertical plane.
Hey Kirk, I remember the S4, big, super heavy, loud all in one 4 way boxes full of JBL drivers. about 4' x 4' and probably 400 lbs or so. I do not miss those days one bit! Especially stacking and rigging them.
There was the Piston system before the Prism system, the Pistons were tall, skinny horizontally arrayable boxes that were a leap forward sound quality wise with much less comb filtering. The key was tight packing when flying, the same concept used with the Prism in the vertical plane.
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Yeah.. We had a Meyer rig.. Im sure it was MSL boxes.. maybe it was another M??.. The ones that im familiar with had 212s with the dick cone, some rectangle hi driver/ horn and the a bank of semi radius piezo tweets per box Then they ran Meyer 218 subs. All Crest power... When they peeled the foam grill back i was surprised to see a Piezo bank too....
I dont remember the sound company's Name...I dont think it was MSI. Maryland Sound. That was a system that we used the following year.. MSI actually had a nice rig.... I think it was Ultra Sound .. Out of upstate NY
Oh the S4.. Did a couple shows at the old Wembly stadium... we had over 100 of them .. and another pile of them at the 50 yard line on a delay towers. Im not an FOH guy. .but i never likes the S4s at a show that i saw. it was always boom boom on the bottom and . click click on top. could have been the mix engineer though.
Ill try to search the net for a photo of the MSL3 that has them..
I know the UM monitors.. I think that was the name.. It was a two way 112. Amazing SPL from such a small box. i think they used some Meter Processing....
I found this on the net. these im sure are the MSL3 if you look at the area in the second Dick compartment you will see the bank of piezos.. This photo is showing the rectangular type. The ones that (Ultra Sound? ) had were your typical round piezo tweeter.
The system that we went out with had non see thru grill so you could not see teh components much like modern day meyer cabs...
They also had a dozen or so SUBS and smaller 2 way cabs....
IIRC The Grateful Dead had the system out right before we had it .
I dont remember the sound company's Name...I dont think it was MSI. Maryland Sound. That was a system that we used the following year.. MSI actually had a nice rig.... I think it was Ultra Sound .. Out of upstate NY
Oh the S4.. Did a couple shows at the old Wembly stadium... we had over 100 of them .. and another pile of them at the 50 yard line on a delay towers. Im not an FOH guy. .but i never likes the S4s at a show that i saw. it was always boom boom on the bottom and . click click on top. could have been the mix engineer though.
Ill try to search the net for a photo of the MSL3 that has them..
I know the UM monitors.. I think that was the name.. It was a two way 112. Amazing SPL from such a small box. i think they used some Meter Processing....
I found this on the net. these im sure are the MSL3 if you look at the area in the second Dick compartment you will see the bank of piezos.. This photo is showing the rectangular type. The ones that (Ultra Sound? ) had were your typical round piezo tweeter.
The system that we went out with had non see thru grill so you could not see teh components much like modern day meyer cabs...
They also had a dozen or so SUBS and smaller 2 way cabs....
IIRC The Grateful Dead had the system out right before we had it .
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ooops i meant "transition" ..
Everyone knows that i suck at typing.. I played bass instead of going to typing class when in high school..
Thats why all of my Posts are EDITED.. I go back to fix stuff..
and i still dont get them all. 
But i really don't care. Anyone with an IQ of at least 70 can figure what im saying.. .HA
Everyone knows that i suck at typing.. I played bass instead of going to typing class when in high school..
Thats why all of my Posts are EDITED.. I go back to fix stuff..
and i still dont get them all. But i really don't care. Anyone with an IQ of at least 70 can figure what im saying.. .HAYeah, we certainly don't want a rough tradition!
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You can't tell piezo tweeters from the front. A dynamic and piezo can look exactly the same. All I see in the horns of your pic is a normal phase plug in the center.
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except that Steve Botting, the FOH told me they were piezos.
There are 6 boxes in that photo.. Out those 6 boxes,,,, 4 of them have extra tweets.. If you look at boxes 2,3,4. and 5 underneath the rectangle horn and above the 2nd dick you will see a line of tweets... the boxes that we had out on that run had your TYPICAL Looking ROUND plastic Peizo horns.. We've all seen them hundreds of times ....
There are 6 boxes in that photo.. Out those 6 boxes,,,, 4 of them have extra tweets.. If you look at boxes 2,3,4. and 5 underneath the rectangle horn and above the 2nd dick you will see a line of tweets... the boxes that we had out on that run had your TYPICAL Looking ROUND plastic Peizo horns.. We've all seen them hundreds of times ....
