This is very possible. I played a Streamliner for 5 years, but when I bought a Monique with Jule's power amp based on the 700 module, I sold the Streamliner. I love the response of that module.
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Genzler Amplification ! New Genz Benz ?
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IME I think that is fair to say. It has a really quick, bouncy and precise feel to the notes. It is easy to control with technique.
As a follow up, I've only played it at gig volume, into an 8ohm cab, a couple of times (my new band is still in the development stage). But it had huge impact and volume, and I didn't get anywhere near tapping it out.
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To know for sure we would have to do some preamp swapping etc. Put an ashdown or SVT4 preamp in front of the power section etc. Even then there are so many variables.
So i won't go out on that limb...
But i did notice a large improvement of the feel of the amp compared to other class D amps with the older 250 models..
For me its a feel thing all the time.. I can EQ an amp to sound anyway we wish. But to get it to feel hefty is a different thing and that is something that can't be replicated with EQ IMO.
So, the FEEL of this amp is an improvement for sure as you turn it up.
I hope that makes sense
So i won't go out on that limb...
But i did notice a large improvement of the feel of the amp compared to other class D amps with the older 250 models..
For me its a feel thing all the time.. I can EQ an amp to sound anyway we wish. But to get it to feel hefty is a different thing and that is something that can't be replicated with EQ IMO.
So, the FEEL of this amp is an improvement for sure as you turn it up.
I hope that makes sense
I felt based on the way he phrased his
question the limb was reasonably sturdy.
He left wriggle room when he asked is it "more like" a lead sled. I think it's safe to say it meets that easy standard.
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My Lead sleds are two old amps that i have had for years and love.... a Crown PSA2 and a Crown MA1200 They are rack mounted wrecking balls.
I felt based on the way he phrased his
question the limb was reasonably sturdy.
Yup. But even if the 700 feels a fraction, a smidgen, even just a scintilla more like them than like previous class D amps, then it is a logical necessity that the 700 is more like a lead sled. Like I said, the way the question was posed, it makes the limb pretty sturdy.
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I'll defer to more expert witnesses. You'd have to ask the two manufacturers (ICEpower and Hypex) about the finer nuances of that, or maybe Jeff and Jule. Both sounded really good to me at NAMM though, and the one Jeff's using has served me really well for the last year or so. But as usual, how those modules are implemented by OEMs is probably at least as important as which module they use, IME.
Jeff Genzler
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Thanks for your questions. The Bass Array12-3 is the size of many other premium 12"/tweeter cabs. So if using a single cab like these on the floor its best to be forward of the cabinet a few feet. The BA12-3 provides a much broader horizontal dispersion when compared to conventional 12"/tweeter designs which testing and live performance use bare out. There are several comments on TB from users regarding their experiences that support this.
In both the horizontal and vertical planes the experiences have been a more controlled dispersion through out the entire bandwidth being reproduced. This also results in a much smoother response due to the small cone drivers reproducing the critical upper mids and highs as well as how balanced they are at the crossover point with the 12" woofer. I'm not going to say that the vertical dispersion is "better" than a 12"/tweeter cab but it is more controlled with the BA design. As well the BA12-3 offers an extremely flat response across it's bandwidth. A conventional design is more likely to have a mid dip as the freq rises and then the tweeter rolls in. Another consideration is that as the frequency rises in a larger format woofer, the dispersion tends to narrow, which can result in some level of beaming.
"Live" reports have been that even when using a single BA cab the band hears the bass much better on stage, as well as in the venue. If you search around the forum or other reviews of the BA cabs, I think you'll hear similar comments from users in the field.
Just as an observation, there have been more advances in the design of bass amps over the last 5 years than there has been from the previous 30 years combined.
While speakers have become much more powerful, lighter, and full range, the biggest change in my mind has been going to a 2 or 3-way system that has been used in many different applications also for years (basic PA cabinets, home stereo, and even the early EV 2-way cabinets from eons ago).
I can’t remember anyone ever going so outside the box by using an array design for MI use, although feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
To the Genzler crew: Congrats on breaking new ground by implementing this PA style design for a new application. It will be easy to judge if this becomes the preferred standard based on how the competition reacts.
While speakers have become much more powerful, lighter, and full range, the biggest change in my mind has been going to a 2 or 3-way system that has been used in many different applications also for years (basic PA cabinets, home stereo, and even the early EV 2-way cabinets from eons ago).
I can’t remember anyone ever going so outside the box by using an array design for MI use, although feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
To the Genzler crew: Congrats on breaking new ground by implementing this PA style design for a new application. It will be easy to judge if this becomes the preferred standard based on how the competition reacts.
I do like the "PA" approach to bass cabs. I generally play gigs where my amp (if I use one at all) is a monitor for the stage. I like the idea of my bass cab being similar to a PA. I taylor my sound for PA/IEM gigs as that's what I do most, but I like the idea of my bass rig being similar to a PA so I can keep a similar sound dialed in for either type of gig.
I don't play live much at all any more. My amp (GB Shuttle 3.0-10T/110 Ext) is just for practice at home and very occasional jazz/backround music type gigs. I have debated getting something with more drive/grit" potential even for just at home and then have it for the once a year gig here and there. Maybe a MG800 and a BA12-3 is something I should look at. Overkill for sure but I've always liked GB stuff so...
I don't play live much at all any more. My amp (GB Shuttle 3.0-10T/110 Ext) is just for practice at home and very occasional jazz/backround music type gigs. I have debated getting something with more drive/grit" potential even for just at home and then have it for the once a year gig here and there. Maybe a MG800 and a BA12-3 is something I should look at. Overkill for sure but I've always liked GB stuff so...
I'm using a single BA12-3 and have found that for me it works best on an amp stand about 1 foot off the floor and slightly angled up. Most of the stages I play are pretty small and have me standing very close to the cab - often within two feet and to the side a bit. When it was on the floor, I wasn't hearing it well. That said, the rest of the members of the bands I play in immediately commented that they could hear me better (I had been using an Acme B2) whether it was on the floor or on the stand. I can't speak to what the audience is hearing but I assume they're getting the benefits of the better dispersion as well.
Jeff, this question has probably been asked before, but are there any plans for a BA15-3(4) Array cab?
Would you describe the 12" speaker in the BA12-3 to be a low frequency driver, similar to say a KL3012-LF?
Would you describe the 12" speaker in the BA12-3 to be a low frequency driver, similar to say a KL3012-LF?
The bottom coming from the BA12-3 is pretty significant. It's a BIG sounding cabinet.
MichaelOz
Commercial User
Big but most importantly very tight!
This arrived yesterday, haven't had a chance to plug it in yet but I'm sure it'll play nice with my 2 BA12-3
Regards,
Michael
