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Get off my LAWN! "Grumpy Old Farts"

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OK, i'm going to address this. I never said anything about not wanting to hear about anyone's service. What I said was that after many, many pages of a lot of discussion about that, I was feeling I had nothing to contribute. Now I'm feeling deliberately and forever called out for hoping to steer the conversation on THAT DAY back toward something we could all participate in. Every time this snark comes out, I find it hurtful. So maybe that's no better than what I did that day? Or maybe I just don't belong in this thread.

I apologize LBS-Bass I was actually being serious and if I sounded snarky I am sorry. I firmly believe in a promise is a promise and a committment is a committment. Please do not leave because if a unintentional comment made. I sincerely apologize and had no intention of being rude.
Bob
 
OK, i'm going to address this. I never said anything about not wanting to hear about anyone's service. What I said was that after many, many pages of a lot of discussion about that, I was feeling I had nothing to contribute. Now I'm feeling deliberately and forever called out for hoping to steer the conversation on THAT DAY back toward something we could all participate in. Every time this snark comes out, I find it hurtful. So maybe that's no better than what I did that day? Or maybe I just don't belong in this thread.
I appreciate your comments not only here but on other threads. I agree that was a snarky remark, and if it had been directed to me I would have been offended. I agree, at times us GOF's get carried away with our military careers. Some are much more colorful than mine and I suppose exciting. But it's like salt-- a little goes a long way. Maybe there can be a military GOFs thread so people enjoy talking military can post to their hearts' content. I love the variety here. There's so much diversity Which You Are Part of and I scan through the posts at least once a day.
 
Saturday Reprise.

John Lennon used to say that he couldn't play the best but he could make a good noise. Some musicians simply have music dripping out of them. Graham Nash is like that. He can take a simple song and make it warm your heart.



The back story to Our House.



His first band was The Hollies. School friends that knew how to take raw playing, much like The Beatles and turn it into a great song. It has to start with a very good song though. I've come to believe that a great sound that catches listeners ears is not perfection, but the combination of rawness that creates something that is greater than the sum of the parts. This song demonstrates that.



When my granddaughter was in Oakland Childrens Hospital, a gentleman I went to high school with arranged for a few classic rock musicians come and visit her. She was very well versed in CR trivia and Scot made arrangements for CSN to visit her as they were performing in SF. They came in and introduced themselves and the first words out of he mouth were to Crosby and she said "My PaPa Doesn't like you" and to Stills she said "You were married to Judy Collins. Ginally she loked at Nash and said"You are the only one with a Grammy". Where upon he let out this belly guffaw and loudly exclaimed "I LOVE THIS KID!" They chatted with her kindly for about 10 minutes and then said their goodbyes after each giving her a hug. As they left they each waved my way except David Crosby. He just glared. He knew who PaPa was.
I miss my best friend.
Bob
 
Saturday Reprise.

John Lennon used to say that he couldn't play the best but he could make a good noise. Some musicians simply have music dripping out of them. Graham Nash is like that. He can take a simple song and make it warm your heart.



The back story to Our House.




His first band was The Hollies. School friends that knew how to take raw playing, much like The Beatles and turn it into a great song. It has to start with a very good song though. I've come to believe that a great sound that catches listeners ears is not perfection, but the combination of rawness that creates something that is greater than the sum of the parts. This song demonstrates that.



He is a simple man and sings a simple song. Loved the Hollys, but my favorite is "Songs for Beginners". :) I thoroughly enjoyed listening to his autobiography on audiobook last year - need to give it another listen...
 
Unfortunately, some of our older music icns are in the most at risk age bracket. Even if it's not the virus that gets them, we are losing a few. Hell, I ain't no icon, but at 74.8 y/o, I'm gettin' close.

I have to agree 100% with Plaid and Beans. Marianne was pretty much the british Mary Travers. Many winderful songs to include As Tears Go By which was written by Mick Jagger wbo she was dating at the time she recorded it. The last 4 years at least for me has not been very good for my musician icons. Including Leon Russell, Levon Helms, Dr. John and the list goes on. I know I am not saying anything new. But I don't have to like it. I hope she and Andrew and the rest get better and prove the "So called" medical experts wrong.
Bob
 
I apologize LBS-Bass I was actually being serious and if I sounded snarky I am sorry. I firmly believe in a promise is a promise and a committment is a committment. Please do not leave because if a unintentional comment made. I sincerely apologize and had no intention of being rude.
Bob
Don't worry about it, Bob. I just wanted to get it out there so we can all move past it; I try to be direct when something is bothering me so that it gets resolved.

I never intended anyone to feel like they had to promise not to talk about a particular subject, so if you got that feeling from my post then, I might be the one who owes an apology.

Life is a little tense right now for all of us with this virus and all the changes in our lives as a result. I have always found this thread to be a haven of sorts; it gets a little weird out there in the rest of TB sometimes. Happy to spend my GOF time with this crowd.
 
I appreciate your comments not only here but on other threads. I agree that was a snarky remark, and if it had been directed to me I would have been offended. I agree, at times us GOF's get carried away with our military careers. Some are much more colorful than mine and I suppose exciting. But it's like salt-- a little goes a long way. Maybe there can be a military GOFs thread so people enjoy talking military can post to their hearts' content. I love the variety here. There's so much diversity Which You Are Part of and I scan through the posts at least once a day.
Thanks, no worries, I honestly don't mind hearing anyone's experience and I really do appreciate everyone's service who has served. I appreciate everyone who participates in this thread, and I'd never want us to lose what we have here.
 
Perhaps I may tender a suggestion to our valued military veterans.
Most civilians are not deeply learned in military acronyms, NCO ranks, unit designations, or MOS.
I know you enjoy "dusting off the mil-speak" and reminiscing with your fellow patriots, but to the majority you're doing it in code.
It's as if you're telling an "inside joke" that doesn't invite participation by all.
Merely an appearance, not your intention.

A little "decoding" by way of explanation would go a long way towards projecting an air of inclusiveness.
Just my observation.
 
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After I wrecked my dads car and had to sell most of my equipment to pay for it all , I was out of music for a few years. A girlfriend of mine turned me on to John Prine and I went out and picked up his first album. After listening to it once , I went up to Chuck Levins and bought my first 12 string acoustic guitar and learned every song on that album. I have been playing ever since. I pretty much owe this man my musical career. I wish him all the best.
 
One of the barristas at the locally-owned coffee den I frequent wears a John Prine tee regularly. He also wears Beatles tee shirts, and he plays guitar. Makes for easy small talk as I wait for my double latte. Lad couldn't be 30. I was listening to Angel from Montgomery in possibly impressionable states of mind before his parents were old enough to meet. But they know me there, right, good people and it is closed for the duration.

And one day not more than a few weeks ago my business card wallet* fell out of my bag as I took coffee. The next day they returned it to me, having magically connected a living being who pays cash and tips with images of same on a piece of paper. Reasonably good paper, not great, and a pewp print job on the back. Of course it goes all the way to the top, the people at Staples do things by the book (or else).

Yay us.



* it's a pretty nobby business card wallet in black leather from Coach. Back when Coach was serious stuff. There's another in soft brown leather from the 70s. Once people created goods to last, instead of goods made obsolete the moment they become yours.
 
Perhaps I may tender a suggestion to our valued military veterans.
Most civilians are not deeply learned in military acronyms, NCO ranks, unit designations, or MOS.
I know you enjoy "dusting off the mil-speak" and reminiscing with your fellow patriots, but to the majority you're doing it in code.
It's as if you're telling an "inside joke" that doesn't invite participation by all.
Merely an appearance, not your intention.

A little "decoding" by way of explanation would go a long way towards projecting an air of inclusiveness.
Just my observation.
This could not have been better said IMO!

With over 42 years of working in national defense (mostly Navy and Marine Corps aviation...which then layers on the typical general aviation and air traffic control lexicon) it still amazes me that we can hold a meeting for an hour and the ratio of acronyms and insider words to actual English langage words is often 5 or 10 to 1. I think I found myself saying an entire sentence one day that didn't have a single English word in it.

The funniest part is that generally if you stop someone mid sentence and ask what an acronym means, many can't tell you what the letters stand for, although they do know what they are referring to. Insider speak is useful in the work environment, but it is probably the worst way to share an experience with other friends and colleagues who like most of us find the English language itself enough of a challenge to clarity in communication. :)
 
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Thisi could not have been better said IMO!

With over 42 years of working in national defense (mostly Navy and Marine Corps aviation...which then layers on the typical general aviation and air traffic control lexicon) it still amazes me that we can hold a meeting for an hour and the ratio of acronyms and insider words to actual English langage words is often 5 or 10 to 1. I think I found myself saying an entire sentence one day that didn't have a single English word in it.

The funniest part is that generally if you stop someone mid sentence and ask what an acronym means, many can't tell you what the letters stand for, although they do know what they are referring to. Insider speak is useful in the work environment, but it is probably the worst way to share an experience with other freinds and colleagues who like most of us find the English language itself enough of a challenge to clarity in communication. :)

Point Well Made!

The art of Teaching was coopted by the designers of modern curriculum, who L.O.V.E. acronyms.
I've sitted in faculty meetings and listened to adults who can't make there whey out of the tangle that is the English language...the past tense, homophones, subject verb agreement...but they can Nail the newest perversion that is, at its Core (see what I done they're) Teaching The Number Line to 7 year olds. :cool:

...and at the end of said meeting, the principal will compliment said adult, telling them that they did 'good'!!:banghead:

True story: I'm being observed by my peerless leader, and I explain that the 'au' in 'aunt' is pronounced like the 'au' in August, rather than 'My ant took me to see a movie."
He interrupts instruction to announce:"Well, I always said it 'ant'." To which I replied, "You wouldn't have had I been your 3rd grade Teacher.":)

He did not get the humor...and my observation reflected that.:dead: :roflmao::roflmao:
 
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