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How To Fire a Band Member

Be honest up front, all the dick moves have already been mentioned.
Be upfront. Tell him about the gig, say it went well, and, knowing his schedule ask him if he didn't mind more bookings as trios, as it means more work for the three of you that have more time. He's a dear friend, treat him like one. Respect the friendship if you do in fact honor it. As time progresses, bring up concerns, or let the bookings be the not so subtle hint if being blunt / direct is hard for you.
 
I would love to have a drummer that played like that. They are rare. You want a drummer who likes to play splashy fills and bring out latin drumming? Dime a dozen man, dime a dozen. My drummer is really good but if anything, i would ask him to try and play more simple stuff like charie watts or phil rudd. Those guys are the best. Simple beats make the music catchy. Plus this guy stood up for you and now you want to kick him out? Why? You think you're new drummer will make you famous? They wont. Its not worth it.

A Drummer that can actually keep good time is rare. Ask him to try to do some of those things with you first. No one asked me in my last band, it was "We are moving in a different musical direction." over the phone firing. It sucked. Maybe I could have adapted, as the drummer might.
 
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This is an intricate situation.. I guess it depends on what your goals are with the band. If it is just for gigging and making money, I'd say just keep playing with him and don't be harsh at all especially considering that he voted for you to have you in the band. If you think serious as a band such as writing your own stuff and maybe releasing something then it really depend on how closer you are to him. If you're close you can very politely say that there's a musical mismatch. If you're not super close, i don't really know what to say. Maybe you can say you decided to go without drummer? But I'd avoid hurting anybody's especially if it is a gigging cover band.
 
I would love to have a drummer that played like that. They are rare. You want a drummer who likes to play splashy fills and bring out latin drumming? Dime a dozen man, dime a dozen. My drummer is really good but if anything, i would ask him to try and play more simple stuff like charie watts or phil rudd. Those guys are the best. Simple beats make the music catchy. Plus this guy stood up for you and now you want to kick him out? Why? You think you're new drummer will make you famous? They wont. Its not worth it.
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This. Maybe you should look for a more artsy band. How does the B/L feel?
I once went to a band practice and the bass player was there. They wanted me to listen in and the job was mine, but I felt so crumby about watching him playing and enjoying himself I waited until the end of the rehearsal and told him they were offering me his job. End result was he quit and I didn't accept the job. He and I still worked and they went through a few less than adequate bass players.

EDIT: Why not put up a poll?
 
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Hmmm. If the post was labelled Apprentice or "you're fired" maybe there would not have been a report. Now that politics has become his main media vehicle for pumping up [his image] image, it is not out of bounds to construe the content as political. The closer we get to the polls, the more crap the mod team has to deal with of this nature. So do us a favor. If it is political, or could be construed as such, please don't post it. We don't do politics in the forums. Thanks for your understanding.

PS Sorry your off topic comment got removed. I won't take that slur personally but that is a bit off-base. Should you feel the need to discuss it, PM me or take it to an admin at the help desk.
 
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I had a guy who we brought in for a audition and he wasn't good enough to hire. So I told him he wasn't exactly what we were looking for. I kinda hated to not hire him because ha was such a likable guy ... but he really wasn't good enough as a player or singer.
 
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I have a couple of opinions on this topic.

First of all, who hired him? And who hired you?
If it was the B/L, then she is also responsible for "firing". If that's what is collectively decided.

Many years ago I worked at a company where I was asked to deal with letting employees go that were not working out. After a time, I said to the company owner "If I don't hire them or have a hand in hiring them, I won't fire them". This actually helped as he realized he had to deal with the consequences of his human resource actions, and he had to vet the hires more carefully.

So, that's my first point, if you didn't hire him -as implied by the fact that he helped you get hired- why are you even concerned about the process of "firing"? Is the B/L afraid to deal with the issue? If, so, she is going to have to learn how to deal with that. You are entitled to have input into the band direction, but that action should be taken by the B/L, assuming she claims that role, and not just the easy part of the role.

Secondly, volume. If he plays too loudly, say so. There are different kinds of sticks, brushes and skin-knockers for all occasions. Try out a soft song with bongos or djembe and such. I'd bring up a song that would work with the trio, have her send him the chart, links to you-tube or whatever, and rehearse it. Best if it was not a 4/4 beat. From what you described him as, I'd call him a 4 on the floor drummer. 1 beat. 1 volume.

I auditioned for a band like that once. Guy miked his drums through the PA in a room above his garage. Then proceeded to play "Honkey Tonk Women" at 165 bpm as loudly as possible. When I pointed out the obvious faults to tempo and dynamics the response was "That's how we play it!" There wasn't one tune on the set list that had 3/4 or 6/8 time at all. Or one played below 150 bpm. I'm sure it would be no surprise to you that after I loaded out, I never went back. There was going to be no way to get this drummer from "Pounder" to "Tasteful".

After one or two attempts at the more tasteful pieces you want to do, if he can pull it off - problem gone. If not, then the B/L should sit down with him in person, and discuss the issues with him, allow him an opportunity to say whether or not this is a direction that he wants to pursue because this, as B/L, is where she wants to go. If not, than he has resigned gracefully. If he wants to pursue it, but the feeling is that he doesn't have the chops for it, then just be frank about it and say that the skill set required to handle the new tempos is not part of his tool bag, and that some of your shows will be as a trio going forward.

If the B/L wants to fire out and out, then just be frank and honest and say so. Be sure to leave a little dignity for him on his side of the table. It's no fun to be fired, but it is much worse to be fired poorly because people are too ill at ease to confront the truth head-on.
 
To add to Thor's post about getting the volume down, I knew a band where the drummer would play a cajon in small places instead of his full kit, it sounded really good. If necessary he would throw a mic in it for a little more volume but at least it was under control.
 
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I have a couple of opinions on this topic.

First of all, who hired him? And who hired you?
If it was the B/L, then she is also responsible for "firing". If that's what is collectively decided.

Many years ago I worked at a company where I was asked to deal with letting employees go that were not working out. After a time, I said to the company owner "If I don't hire them or have a hand in hiring them, I won't fire them". This actually helped as he realized he had to deal with the consequences of his human resource actions, and he had to vet the hires more carefully.

So, that's my first point, if you didn't hire him -as implied by the fact that he helped you get hired- why are you even concerned about the process of "firing"? Is the B/L afraid to deal with the issue? If, so, she is going to have to learn how to deal with that. You are entitled to have input into the band direction, but that action should be taken by the B/L, assuming she claims that role, and not just the easy part of the role.

Secondly, volume. If he plays too loudly, say so. There are different kinds of sticks, brushes and skin-knockers for all occasions. Try out a soft song with bongos or djembe and such. I'd bring up a song that would work with the trio, have her send him the chart, links to you-tube or whatever, and rehearse it. Best if it was not a 4/4 beat. From what you described him as, I'd call him a 4 on the floor drummer. 1 beat. 1 volume.

I auditioned for a band like that once. Guy miked his drums through the PA in a room above his garage. Then proceeded to play "Honkey Tonk Women" at 165 bpm as loudly as possible. When I pointed out the obvious faults to tempo and dynamics the response was "That's how we play it!" There wasn't one tune on the set list that had 3/4 or 6/8 time at all. Or one played below 150 bpm. I'm sure it would be no surprise to you that after I loaded out, I never went back. There was going to be no way to get this drummer from "Pounder" to "Tasteful".

After one or two attempts at the more tasteful pieces you want to do, if he can pull it off - problem gone. If not, then the B/L should sit down with him in person, and discuss the issues with him, allow him an opportunity to say whether or not this is a direction that he wants to pursue because this, as B/L, is where she wants to go. If not, than he has resigned gracefully. If he wants to pursue it, but the feeling is that he doesn't have the chops for it, then just be frank about it and say that the skill set required to handle the new tempos is not part of his tool bag, and that some of your shows will be as a trio going forward.

If the B/L wants to fire out and out, then just be frank and honest and say so. Be sure to leave a little dignity for him on his side of the table. It's no fun to be fired, but it is much worse to be fired poorly because people are too ill at ease to confront the truth head-on.
As always, you have good advice/posts, except for the "blowhard" thing.
 
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Mrokern said to remember "this is show business, not show friends."

But they're also my friends! :(

That always complicates things.

I've been in bands with friends, and I've been in bands that are straight business.

Both have advantages and disadvantages...and firing people is a disadvantage in the friends one.
 
that's why I don't ever never plays with friends. They have to be new aqcuaintancies and just that. Not old friends that goes way back. Then you can be blunt, frank, candid about them, and tell them to leave if I AM the BL, and I own and run the rehearsal space and band. If not, I usually go the passive-aggressive and leave the band due to time constraints and other things going on outside music. Just to re-group half a year later minus THAT member.

This is why big-time bands with record companies and especially managers does it like that. It's never the band members who gives them notice, it's the management, so no one can blame someone in the band for being the douchebag. They leave all the unpleasant things to them. Jimi Hendrix wasn't that fond of Noel Redding actually. So his weasel manager started to make things up for Noel. And out of it came Band Of Gypsies. Marillion original drummer Mick Pointer got sacked too, but by the frontman Fish. You can hear why, on certain recordings. He's too a "music by numbers" drummer. Numerous stories and tales of members being fired.

It's the Dunning-Kruger effect again. At the end of that study, they say that the most plausible reason for this - a cognitive bias, in which a person regards his abilities to be much higher than appropriate - is that he's never been told. It is the way upbringing works "if you don't have any nice things to say, don't say anything at all" which means people cannot never ever work on their shortcomings.