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I am the A-hole, but how bad?

"No big deal, but it would be nicer if you asked first, and could you at least do it without greasy BBQ hands? I have to play that for the rest of the night."

Drummers judgement is definitely suspect if you had an act playing on the break. LS plowing up and just having at it is seriously bush league, and if he thinks that's what you do on a paid gig, leaving is a big step forward for the band.

Yes, you over reacted, and while that does not mean you didn't have a point, blowing a gasket on stage is NEVER okay.
Yes, it could have been handled better. Did he break anything? "Next time you should ask first, because I usually don't let anyone touch my gear," would have been fine and would probably not have caused the LS to rethink whether he wants to work with a guy who gets hot under the collar so quickly.

Drummer may have assumed that you'd been asked, since the guy was already up there. It's not drummer's place to police your gear against band members. It's everyone's place to police gear against audience members.

If the drummer had time to go up there and help him, you also had time to go up there and stop him.
 
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It's easy to jump into a debate over stage rules and personal boundaries, but as I see it that misses the point on why you (OP) reacted as you did. (Dear reader, where I write "you" below, try to put yourself in that space.)

You write early on that you have a hard time standing up for yourself, meaning at least that you have a normal aversion to conflict. Faced with a social transgression, those of us who share this aversion tend to resent those who are insensitive to it, because it puts us in the position of having to initiate conflict to deal with it. So there's that.

What I relate to in the OP story is that the singer's thoughtless action implied personal disrespect. I have a relatively high sensitivity to this myself, while recognizing that most people are less sensitive. Never ascribe to malice where incompetence will do.

We focus on the social violation of someone handling the instrument when he should know the rules, but the rules aren't stated, and people tend to see rules as pertaining more to others than oneself. He believes he knows his skills in handling the instrument and his motivations in doing so are good, so no problem.

What got you steaming wasn't the violation specifically — in the end he did no damage, while advancing the work you were there to do — it was the perceived disrespect. This is an insult to identity, which goes very deep when we let it. Your emotional reaction makes sense in that context, but you were talking past that in ripping him a new one, which didn't make sense to him or the witnesses.

So yeah, an apology and explanation is warranted, clarifying your boundaries with reference to how you felt about his action. He then has the opportunity to affirm his respect without accepting excess blame for a minor rules violation, and you have a path to repairing the rift.

^^^^ This.
 
Sorry to say but in the minds of some people your lack of action when you first saw him pick up your bass was an inferred "it's OK with me"... So in his mind you did "let" him do it...

This.

While I agree that he absolutely should have explicitly asked permission first and the drummer never should have enabled this, the fact that you could see him do it and did not stop it while it was in progress was, in fact, letting him do it. And that fact that him saying that is what pushed you over the edge suggests to me that you know that, and that you were at least as mad at yourself as you were at him. Saying nothing about it at the time and then exploding later, especially in public, is a definite a-hole move.

Yes, the LS was also in the wrong (and so was the drummer, for that matter) but those things don't put you in the clear or justify a public tirade. Just because they're wrong doesn't make you right.

I had a couple grad students in my lab once who didn't get along very well and it was crap like this where they were both being a-holes to each other. Nobody cares who started it. Thankfully, they came to me to talk about it before it went public and we were able to at least get enough peace so that the lab could function again, even if the two of them never really liked each other. However, if one of them had blown up at the other in public I would have kicked the exploder out of the lab in a hot minute—that's absolutely not OK.

So, if I'm the BL here I'm ticked off at all three of you as there's more than enough blame to go around, but if I have to kick out exactly one to allow the band to continue to function, it's you.
 
I would have handled it differently, but I think I would have done it equally poorly.

After giving it a few moments of thought I think the correct thing to do was this:

You should have replied "Uh huh, I need to talk to you after the gig."

He tried the classic make-the-grab-and-then-force-compliance-by-thanking-you-in-front-of-witnesses move.

There's only one of two outcomes. Either you curl up and take it or else you retaliate and he plays the victim to make you look like the bad guy.

The type of person who does this is probably some degree of narcissist. They tend to not be able to see anything wrong with what they do and it's VERY important for them to save face. So you need to corner them after the gig and politely yet firmly lay some ground rules about what things of your property are off limits. You can take a page out of their playbook and do this in front of the rest of the band. Make sure to point out that you didn't want to make a scene on stage. Stay calm and rational. That way if he blows up he looks like the A-hole.

But no, You aren't the A-hole here. He is. You just didn't handle it as professionally as you could have.
 
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As a bassist who sings lead, the whole idea of "lead singer" -- a person who just stands there and doesn't play an instrument -- has always amused me. Of course there are a few good ones. A few.
The best ones usually play at least one instrument
 
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Totally agree.

Had a woman back into my parked car last week. No damage but her dismissive & cavalier attitude and failure to apologise was 100x worse than the original incident. I called her careless, to which she was very offended by and visibly irate.

You called a fool out on his foolishness, and he reacted foolishly. If not this incident, he'd spit the dummy over another incident down the track.
I had a similar incident at the Grocery store about a month ago. Some woman was trying to manage her cart of groceries in between cars. Before I could get out of my truck, she walked past the front of my vehicle and dragged the cart across the bumper
I got out and said "Lady, Don't hit my truck with your cart", she replied with...."It was only the License Plate frame". I responded back with, "That's besides the point. You don't hit someone's vehicle with your cart"...
She literally acted like it wasn't anything to be concerned about and It was her flippant attitude that got me boiling..
 
No biz touching your gear

... no one ever touches my equipment
.. Ever

^^^ my position as well.

What is it with the "I can do whatever I want whenever I want" attitude these days ?? Is it a generational thing maybe? I would have got up right away and asked the LS politely to back off, rather than let it go. They were pretty rude to just grab your gear like that. I've had my gear damaged (years ago) by these kinds of scenarios and learned quickly that no one actually cares about "your" stuff. I don't even leave my bass out between sets anymore. Join a band with some "responsible" mates, you're much better off.

End of my rant...! :);):thumbsup: Peace.
 
If he quit over people having boundaries, then good riddance.
Some people act like they are entitled to everything.

^^^THIS! :thumbsup:

How *anyone* with a normal brain could possibly think it's okay to touch someone else's property without permission is a mystery that I will never understand.

@Cousin Iggy: *you* were not the a-hole. That dweebus maximus singer was. Bigtime!
 
It's all a matter of perspective is it not? What one may consider as a "small issue" another may consider that same issue to be utterly disrespectful and overtly intrusive.
It is. I play in bands with professional musicians. Most of them would never touch my gear, it goes without saying. I don't touch their gear either, so it doesn't feel like there are boundaries to be enforced in the first place.

On the other hand, I've had jams at my house where my drummer, who also plays some bass, has picked up my axe when I needed a break from the jam to go check in on my other guests. I guess if I were really concerned I'd lock that axe up in a different room and leave a less expensive one out for him to play. But I trust him to respect the gear, so it's ok. I don't know if I want to be in a band with people who wouldn't respect my gear and, yes, that would include asking first. But I'd be more inclined to say, "sure," because in 40 years no one has ever messed up my gear to any degree, so I find the likelihood that it will happen to be pretty small.
 
Scale of 1(kinda dumb)-10(really horrible) how bad am I?

Id say about a 6-7, like you're right, guy shouldn't have touched your stuff but you definitely overreacted. The guy wasn't a total stranger, he was your lead signer, nothing was broken/damaged. You could have communicated yourself in a much more mature manner than cursing at your LS while on stage.

You should have bit your lip, got through the gig and then discussed why you didn't appreciate what the LS did and only to the LS(because its between you and him, has nothing to do with other bandmates. The last thing you should have done is made a scene (you may think nobody heard you but Im sure anyone paying attention could read the body language on stage and feel the vibe you were putting out while in "a-hole mode")

No offense intended, just how I'm interpreting the situation
 
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Being in a band is hard enough. You have 3 to 10 different personalities trying to coexist all at once, some introverted and some highly extroverted. It's impossible not to freak out every once in awhile, within reason, and you should be emotionally equipped enough to talk about it afterwards and make amends or listen to offenders and work it out. IMO, if you feel so strongly about people touching your gear, boundaries should have been set before things got to a boiling point. Communication is the key.
 
It is. I play in bands with professional musicians. Most of them would never touch my gear, it goes without saying. I don't touch their gear either, so it doesn't feel like there are boundaries to be enforced in the first place.

On the other hand, I've had jams at my house where my drummer, who also plays some bass, has picked up my axe when I needed a break from the jam to go check in on my other guests. I guess if I were really concerned I'd lock that axe up in a different room and leave a less expensive one out for him to play. But I trust him to respect the gear, so it's ok. I don't know if I want to be in a band with people who wouldn't respect my gear and, yes, that would include asking first. But I'd be more inclined to say, "sure," because in 40 years no one has ever messed up my gear to any degree, so I find the likelihood that it will happen to be pretty small.
I can appreciate and respect your position. However, where I come from one does not touch an others property without explicit consent ever. To do so is to risk unbridled wrath. Jams? I don't do jams any more. Too many people assume they have a "right" to use your gear and become irate when you say no. But that's another can of worms in itself. ;)