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I'm thinking of going vegetarian

Disgustipated said:
This is necessary... life feeds on life, feeds on life, feeds on life...

I try to steer away from red meat as much as possible, and definitely no pork, I eat mostly fish and poultry. I do this based on health, and not any ethical reason. Ask yourself this, if the slaughterhouse didn't exist, would the animal be alive in the first place?

On a side note:
I work for a nutrition company, who produce a few soy based health products. Based on the companies research, they are moving away from products that have a high percentage of soy in them, based on the high incidence of digestive problems.
 
I'm interested in more science and evolutionary info. from both meat-eaters and vegetarians, if anybody's got any. Both groups have claimed that science/nature intended us to eat a certain way. Some people cite the canine teeth, others the digestive system, etc., etc., and so on, ditto, ditto.

science/nature didn't intend any sort of thing. the chief evolutionary weapon in the human arsenal has always been adaptation. we adapt better and faster than any other animal. humans thrive in nearly every climate on the globe and eat damn near anything that grows, swims, walks, or flies. it's why there are so many of us, why we're the top of the food chain, and why we're the ones discussing this on talkbass.com instead of the elephants.

we may, at one time, have been biologically adjusted to favor one type of food over another but as humans expanded to cover the globe, we adapted to process many different sorts of food depending on what was available to us at that time in that location.

humans are classified as omnivores, capable of processing either plants or meats. humans that choose not to consume meat are termed vegetarians and not herbivores because herbivores are not capable of choosing what type of food they can process. they're biologically adapted to eat primarily plantlife.

disclaimer: i'm neither a vegetarian nor a scientist, although i am dating one (a vegetarian, not a scientist). i prefer a regular omnivorous diet, trying to watch the amount of red meat i eat and keep everything at a healthy level.
 
Plants have feelings and souls.

*Cues up "Disgustipated" by Tool.*

"These are the cries of the carrots!"

"Life feeds on life. This is necessary."

If plants do indeed have feelings (I'm not convinced that they do or don't) where does this leave the folks with moral objections to killing stuff to eat?

As for going vegetarian or vegan, only you can make that decision for yourself. Like any type of diet you need to be careful over what you eat in order to get a good balance of nutrients. I think that this can be achieved with a vegetarian or a non-vegetarian diet. Personally, I eat a balanced diet that includes both meat and vegetables. I'm 36, have low cholesterol, normal blood pressure and <10% body fat. I don't think that would improve much if I went veggie. But really, the reason for that is that I monitor what I eat in order to maintain a (mostly) balanced diet and I get a lot of exercise. That goes for any diet. I'm sure that there are plenty of unhealthy vegetarians and plenty healthy ones too.
 
I always say if we were meant to eat meat then we would eat it. We would have no problem with biting into the ribs of a cow, like other carnivores do. I would salivate at the sight of a dead deer. A rabbit wouldn't stand a chance, although it could out-hop me.

It ain't that way though. Without a lot of thought, devising weapons, cutting the "meat" up and cooking it so it looks and tastes nothing at all like "meat", I wouldn't put it near my mouth unless it were for lots and lots of bucks on fear factor.

In the 2nd grade they told me the 2 teeth that look nothing like a dog, cat or other meat eaters fangs were in MY mouth because I too was a meat eater. I believed it, never really questioned it, until I realized that they're not really capable of cutting through the same thing a dog, tiger or other meateaters teeth could.

If a toddler is put in a room with an apple and a rabbit, it will always go to eat the apple and play with the rabbit. Doesn't think of eating the rabbit at all, even if he/she gets real hungry.

This and the truth about how the meat industry treats animals, plus all of the info on how unsanitary and unhealthy meat eating can be, is the kind of info that gets non vegetarians mad at ya. :) It makes them question what they do, and it's such a huge part of their lives that it's unthinkable to look into the direction of changing it. That's why I never talk about any of it. Just gets people mad, and arguing endlessly. :)

For real... I don't ever talk about the above, but it's my reasons for not eating meat. I'm in better shape also than anyone I know my age and my last doctor's reports came back with everything in perfect working order.

Both my brothers and father are bald. I'm not. They eat meat, I don't. :spit:
 
Oops... I should respond to the OP.

If you're not going vegan being vegetarian is a no brainer these days. Supermarkets are packed with protien alternatives. Veggie hot dogs, cold cuts, chicken nuggets... Morningstar Farms puts out a whole bunch of things. Some people say "If you don't want to eat meat, then why are you faking it with that stuff??" It's not faking it. They don't tase like meat. It's just a convenient way of getting protien, and it's similar to what the world is used to.

There's protien also in pasta, peanuts, cheese, beans, eggs, tofu, tehmpeh, seitan, protein bars, protein powders, yogurt, protien enriched cereals, lots of other things people have probably already mentioned (I din't read the entire thread).

Because I work out a lot I make sure I get at the very least a protien bar a day, and I eat yogurt every morning. I take an essential amino supplement also. My girlfriend does none of that, and she's fine too.
 
I always say if we were meant to eat meat then we would eat it. We would have no problem with biting into the ribs of a cow, like other carnivores do. I would salivate at the sight of a dead deer. A rabbit wouldn't stand a chance, although it could out-hop me.

It ain't that way though. Without a lot of thought, devising weapons, cutting the "meat" up and cooking it so it looks and tastes nothing at all like "meat", I wouldn't put it near my mouth unless it were for lots and lots of bucks on fear factor.

In the 2nd grade they told me the 2 teeth that look nothing like a dog, cat or other meat eaters fangs were in MY mouth because I too was a meat eater. I believed it, never really questioned it, until I realized that they're not really capable of cutting through the same thing a dog, tiger or other meateaters teeth could.

If a toddler is put in a room with an apple and a rabbit, it will always go to eat the apple and play with the rabbit. Doesn't think of eating the rabbit at all, even if he/she gets real hungry.

The difference is that humans are not "meat eaters" in the sense that dogs are. We're opportunistic omnivores. I'd guess that in the couple of million years since we've discovered fire, we've probably adapted to eating cooked meat. The fact that we are not drawn to raw meat in our current form doesn't mean we weren't a couple of million years ago.

This and the truth about how the meat industry treats animals, plus all of the info on how unsanitary and unhealthy meat eating can be, is the kind of info that gets non vegetarians mad at ya. :) It makes them question what they do, and it's such a huge part of their lives that it's unthinkable to look into the direction of changing it. That's why I never talk about any of it. Just gets people mad, and arguing endlessly. :)

For real... I don't ever talk about the above, but it's my reasons for not eating meat. I'm in better shape also than anyone I know my age and my last doctor's reports came back with everything in perfect working order.

Both my brothers and father are bald. I'm not. They eat meat, I don't. :spit:

So you don't think smug attitudes from vegetarians have anything to do with it? ;)

I eat meat. Every day. I'm in perfectly good shape. Low cholesterol, normal blood pressure, very low body fat percentage. I ran a 10 mile race in 75 minutes on Sunday. Again, I think that a balanced diet is the most important factor; vegetarian or non-vegetarian ranks pretty low on whether your diet is healthy or not.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condemning your choices and I am uncomfortable with some of the things that are going on in the meat industry. That being said, there are also plenty of unhealthy and unsanitary things going on in the vegetable industries....
 
I always say if we were meant to eat meat then we would eat it. We would have no problem with biting into the ribs of a cow, like other carnivores do. I would salivate at the sight of a dead deer. A rabbit wouldn't stand a chance, although it could out-hop me.

It ain't that way though. Without a lot of thought, devising weapons, cutting the "meat" up and cooking it so it looks and tastes nothing at all like "meat", I wouldn't put it near my mouth unless it were for lots and lots of bucks on fear factor.

good grief, did you really just claim that your personal predilections are scientific proof that humans are actually herbivores? does that mean that because i don't like mushrooms, humans aren't meant to eat mushrooms?

protip: if humans weren't meant to eat meat we would be physically unable to process it into nutrients.
 
The word "meant" is tossed about so cavalierly - "If we were meant to..."

Ugh... We can, so we do. We think, so we choose to do otherwise. Some will, some won't. Assuming the word, "meant" belongs in this sort of discussion assumes things that simply cannot be proved or debunked.

I heard recently that the "healthiest" people in the US were the Seventh Day Adventists who only eat what was described in some part of the Bible. I am not advocating this, simply relaying what I heard somewhere - sorry, I cannot recall the source - Invalid Link Removed

The point is that this study showed that these folks on average live longer and on the whole are healthier than average. The study also explored things like the "Mediterranean Diet", the "South Beach Diet", "Atkins-like diets" and more.

I'll see if I can find that study.

The 7th Day Advent. diet, as I understand it, consists of whole grains, fruits, vegetable and legumes, nuts (a handful a day, no more), lots of water (10 glasses/day), eating a large breakfast, moderate lunch and small dinner at near the same time each day. No meat - no fat. Exercise and avoiding alcohol and stimulants is also their thing.

So if you're shooting for healthy, this seems to be a good way to go - and it also happens to look strikingly like a vegetarian diet - so bonus if you wanna also call yourself a vegetarian!

And if being healthy equates to being happy, then there ya go!
 

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