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I'm thinking of going vegetarian

#102
Georynn said:
Ask yourself this, if the slaughterhouse didn't exist, would the animal be alive in the first place?
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So you're saying that leaving a horrible life full of extreme mental, emotional, and physical suffering is better than not living at all?

Nice logic there.

disenchant said:
Plants have feelings and souls.
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Plants cannot feel pain. They lack a central nervous system for it.
What's a Soul?




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On a side note, I'm thinking of calling BS on the OP. From their posts, It doesn't seem like they're trying to seek advice as much as they're trying to discuss vegetarianism.
 
#104
I've always thought about becoming a vegetarian (I guess vegan?) for ethical reasons. I have a hard time killing an animal to eat it. I've never had to kill to survive (I'm very lucky in that sense). However, given the opportunity to kill or die, I think I'd chose killing; especially for my family.

On that note, I've thought about this many times. Every time I've come to the conclusion that this is as nature intended. If I feed my Rottweiler meat, I should probably be eating meat as well. If we both wanted to live in a non-developed country we'd be hunting together. At the same time, maybe it's unnatural to have a pet? (PETA!)

I'm not giving up my rottie so you guys can fsck yourselves! (only kidding).


I say give it a shot!


(Oh ya, meat tastes awesome!)
 
#106
yepp id say definitely give it a try, jut for a week or two to see if your body can adjust to it. ive been vegetarian for about a month and i feel a lot better :smug: just healthier, i guess. also it makes me happy that im not eating other things that were alive.

if anyone feels like respond to that by whining "but plants were living things and you eat them still" all i have to say to you is :spit:
 
#108
jucas said:
:confused: I don't fully understand what that has to do with a person's debate regarding the nutritional value of a vegetatian diet? Actually I don't really understand how that relates to anything on the topic of someone being a vegetarian?
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I was speaking in regards to what Ben Strange said:
Originally Posted by Benjamin Strange
One farmer says to me, "You cannot live on vegetable food solely, for it furnishes nothing to make bones with;" and so he religiously devotes a part of his day to supplying his system with the raw material of bones; walking all the while he talks behind his oxen, which, with vegetable made bones jerk him and his lumbering plough along in spite of every obstacle.

- Henry David Thoreau
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The point is that some people have said that a veg diet leaves one weak and feeble. Being that the strongest, largest land animal eats veg that proves that myth incorrect.

Guess I should have been more clear.
 
#109
Munjibunga said:
Soya doesn't provide certain essential amino acids your body needs. Being a vegetarian requires close attention to getting the proper combinations of vegetable proteins and other nutrients. There is no benefit to it and it's basically a pain in the butt to stay on top of it. If you fail, you suffer significant health risks.

Further, humans are natural omnivores. We don't have the proper dentition for herbivorousness. Those canine teeth you have evolved from tearing meat off animals. Your body isn't well-suited for a vegetarian diet. Most, if not all, vegetarians I have known over the years have eventually returned to eating meat for a plethora of reasons, all of them good. The latest of these is one of my god-daughters who is again eating meat after about a year and a half of vegetarianism.

Eating meat in moderation is a superb way to get nutrients not easily obtained from other foods. Most Americans (I don't know about Brits), including yours truly, eat way too much meat. Four ounces a day is plenty. But I just like the flavor of a big chunk of animal grilled to perfection.
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Wrong.

Protein combining has been proven to not be required 10 years ago. Some people can't stick to it and frankly are a bit flaky. I've known a few of those. I've been doing it for 12 years. Shouldnt stereotype everyone together. I know quite a few vegetarians who have been eating a plant based diet since the 1970s. I'd argue that the average vegetarian is MUCH healthier than the average meat eater. Not only because they make healthier food choices, but because they give a damn about their bodies... most people treat their bodies like garbage. Billions and Billions served... I wonder why.
 
#111
::::BASSIST:::: said:
The point is that some people have said that a veg diet leaves one weak and feeble. Being that the strongest, largest land animal eats veg that proves that myth incorrect.

Guess I should have been more clear.
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But, an elephant's digestive system is different than ours...
Example: Elephants only digest 40% of what they eat, they have to make up for their digestive system's lack of efficiency in volume. An adult elephant can consume 140–270 kg (300–600 lb) of food a day. 60% of that food leaves the elephant's body undigested.

Its possible to eliminate meat from your diet completely, but the vitamins and proteins that you won't be getting from the meat will have to be replaced somehow, or you will weaken your system.--- fact.

Animals are not the only source for these vitamins and proteins--- fact

I think the best advice to the original poster is educate yourself before trying something, and take it slow at first...
 
#112
Matt Till said:
I knew this would happen, not everyone's body is the same, for one, but it's awesome that it works for you, and I'll state this again: I strongly recommend anyone interested in a soy heavy diet to research the possible adverse effects of soy on your body. That said, I'm stepping out of this thread for good, it's for some odd reason an ugly subject.
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Many people, millions in fact, don't eat soy and are vegetarian. Buddhists and Hindus have been veg for hundreds and hundreds of years before the invention of the veggie burger.
 
#114
EddieN said:
Agreed. Just look at the traditional diets of Arctic dwellers who've inhabitated the region for millennia. And I'm a dang vegetarian, yo (but these very sorts of arguments usually make me keep it to myself).
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Unfortunately, the Inuit people have a much shorter lifespan, perhaps because a lack of vegetables in their diet? Not sure about that, but it might have something to do with it.
 
#116
Joe Nerve said:
Oops... I should respond to the OP.

If you're not going vegan being vegetarian is a no brainer these days. Supermarkets are packed with protien alternatives. Veggie hot dogs, cold cuts, chicken nuggets... Morningstar Farms puts out a whole bunch of things. Some people say "If you don't want to eat meat, then why are you faking it with that stuff??" It's not faking it. They don't tase like meat. It's just a convenient way of getting protien, and it's similar to what the world is used to.

There's protien also in pasta, peanuts, cheese, beans, eggs, tofu, tehmpeh, seitan, protein bars, protein powders, yogurt, protien enriched cereals, lots of other things people have probably already mentioned (I din't read the entire thread).

Because I work out a lot I make sure I get at the very least a protien bar a day, and I eat yogurt every morning. I take an essential amino supplement also. My girlfriend does none of that, and she's fine too.
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Well said.
 
#117
Georynn said:
Not what I'm saying... just making a philosophical point.


Cows are bred to be slaughtered.

If we didn't slaughter them, would we breed them?
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I hear this argument sometimes "Yeah, but what are we going to do with all the cows?"

That makes me chuckle. My hippie instincts say " just set them free man!"

Seriously though, we created the problem we can solve it.
 
#120
::::BASSIST:::: said:
I was speaking in regards to what Ben Strange said:


The point is that some people have said that a veg diet leaves one weak and feeble. Being that the strongest, largest land animal eats veg that proves that myth incorrect.

Guess I should have been more clear.
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:eyebrow: So just to be clear... elephants are big and strong and only eat vegetables, so people can eat only vegetables and they'll get big and strong too?

Well, I say screw it... why stop with land animals? Whales are big and strong, so if people want to be really healthy lets get them in a pool eating plankton.
 

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