I'm thinking of going vegetarian

[Chipsonfire]

Wow, this debate is more heated than most political ones I've seen If the guy is considering vegetarianism, let him research it and decide for himself. I've known healthy and unhealthy vegetarians/vegans. You just have to be smart about it. Same goes for if you eat meat.

 

[Chunk-O-Funk]

I just finished a pork loin chop.

Lovingly hand rubbed with Cumin, Chili powder, Garlic powder, salt, pepper and a Mesquite flavored spice.

Put to a hot grill then set under indirect heat for about 20 minutes. Then basted with a sweet, rum flavored sticky sauce. Sweet Jesus that was good. Well, I had beans too! Green beans with chopped garlic and olive oil.


Sorry.







Seriously.
For those of you who go vegi for health reasons.

Do you miss meat?
Splurge from time to time?

Is an all vegi diet bland or challenging to keep, well...flavorful? Speaking mostly about getting bored with a vegi diet compared to the large variety of not being on a diet.

Last, for those who want to live better, longer. My feelings are food is a great part of life to be enjoyed as well as nourishing. Taking away a percentage of what I enjoy in the name of a healthier life would not mean a happier life to me. In other words, it's the happier shorter life vs. the longer life debate. Your thoughts?

 

[Chris Fitzgerald]

Seriously.
For those of you who go vegi for health reasons.

Do you miss meat?

Sometimes, yes.

Splurge from time to time?

Every once in a blue moon, I'll have some bacon bits on an alfredo dish. I'm a damn rebel, am I not?

Is an all vegi diet bland or challenging to keep, well...flavorful? Speaking mostly about getting bored with a vegi diet compared to the large variety of not being on a diet.

Not bland at all...of course, I still eat poultry and fish.

Last, for those who want to live better, longer. My feelings are food is a great part of life to be enjoyed as well as nourishing. Taking away a percentage of what I enjoy in the name of a healthier life would not mean a happier life to me. In other words, it's the happier shorter life vs. the longer life debate. Your thoughts?

That's an individual choice. I eat what I eat because it makes me feel better. It makes me feel like my body is running lighter and cleaner. What the person next to me does is up to them.

 

[jrthebassguy]

My last girlfriend was a vegetarian. It made for some interesting dinner dates, but it was never really a big issue with us. I ate meat. She didn't. No big deal.

 

[Mark Reccord]

Wrong.

Protein combining has been proven to not be required 10 years ago. Some people can't stick to it and frankly are a bit flaky. I've known a few of those. I've been doing it for 12 years. Shouldnt stereotype everyone together. I know quite a few vegetarians who have been eating a plant based diet since the 1970s. I'd argue that the average vegetarian is MUCH healthier than the average meat eater. Not only because they make healthier food choices, but because they give a damn about their bodies... most people treat their bodies like garbage. Billions and Billions served... I wonder why.

You should take your own advice. Telling people that they shouldn't stereotype others and then turning around and doing it yourself in the next sentence is not a great debate technique.

 

[jucas]

My last girlfriend was a vegetarian. It made for some interesting dinner dates, but it was never really a big issue with us. I ate meat. She didn't. No big deal.

I always found that worked surprisingly well. Order two dishes... I got the animals she got the veggies.

 

[JimB52]

Hey Chunk
Was the Loin chop flavorful because it was meat, or because it was seasoned with Cumin, Chili powder, Garlic powder, salt, pepper and a Mesquite flavored spice?

 

[Chunk-O-Funk]

Hey Chunk
Was the Loin chop flavorful because it was meat, or because it was seasoned with Cumin, Chili powder, Garlic powder, salt, pepper and a Mesquite flavored spice?

Honestly, both. Pork has a lot of flavor, but seeing how I was grilling it BBQ style I used those particular spices to get that smoky, southwestern flavor. If I were doing the whole loin I wouldn't put much more than salt and pepper. It really doesn't need much more than being slow cooked in it's own juices. Much like a good T-bone steak when cooked right doesn't need anything but a little salt and pepper. No steak sauce.

I think I know where your going with this, though. The same flavors that can be applied to meat can be applied to errrrr, a substitute. Right?


I have a genuine interest in eating healthy and have been semi-curious about vegetarianism. Too much meat isn't the best thing for you and I favor large portions of veggies when cooking a meat dinner, but mostly follow the rule "everything in moderation" as the key to a healthy, happy life style.

 

[Munjibunga]

Wow, this debate is more heated than most political ones I've seen If the guy is considering vegetarianism, let him research it and decide for himself. I've known healthy and unhealthy vegetarians/vegans. You just have to be smart about it. Same goes for if you eat meat.

He's a she.

 

[Munjibunga]

+1 the OP will have a huge problem of breaking her diet of Whine and Cheese.

Oh, I love that.

 

[Munjibunga]

we adapt better and faster than any other animal.

Hardly. There are a lot of single-celled organisms that would argue with you.

 

[Munjibunga]

I've been vegan for some time now,I'm not on a special diet or whatever. I've been smoking the same amount,drinking the same amount of alcohol.I'm better then ever,I feel better&healthier.

But what really matters is,I don't feel terrible after any meal,I can have a good nights sleep,I caused many murders but not any more.

You are vegan for health reasons but you drink and smoke? Breathtakingly incomprehensible.

 

[BadB]

Stop eating meat, and voila!
When I did, I lost weight, lowered my cholesterol AND felt morally superior.

This is precisely the problem that most people have with vegetarians. Not everyone subscribes to your moral philosophy, and tend to take offense when people hold them in low regard.

Yeah you pretty much have no idea what you're talking about.
Darwin said himself that humans could never have naturally ate meat. And if we did evolve to eat meat, we wouldn't have to cook it. The reality is we have to set it on fire to stop it from killing us when we eat it, and it still has to be really fresh. The silliest thing you've said is that we're abandoning our bodies design. Humans first of all were not designed, nor were we design with the goal of humanity to eat meat. There is so much evidence that we do not naturally eat meat, yet you choose to open your mouth about something you never even looked into.

That is a bunch of BS. Since herbivore mammals usually have a functioning appendix, where is yours? Ever pay attention to your teeth? Clearly designed around a variable diet. Who says you can't eat raw meat? I'd also like you to present your evidence that we did not evolve to eat meat. I noted that you stated DESIGN. Who designed you? Where is your evidence of that?

In the 2nd grade they told me the 2 teeth that look nothing like a dog, cat or other meat eaters fangs were in MY mouth because I too was a meat eater. I believed it, never really questioned it, until I realized that they're not really capable of cutting through the same thing a dog, tiger or other meateaters teeth could.

Your incisors and bicuspids are not designed to catch your food the same way a cat or dog does. They have fangs for that. Our brains allow us to use ingenuity to catch our food. If we had evolved beyond being omnivores, we would likely have a mouth full of molars.

Bottom line is this: Eat the way you want, just don't preach to others about your personal choices. Also, choose carefully to make sure you are getting all the nutrients that your body requires. Yes, I do believe that most people eat far too much animal protein than they should. Yes, we can survive with or without it. That's the great thing about being human. We are not dutifully bound to an unending diet of boredom, and our bodies have evolved accordingly.

 

[D.Don]

I DO salivate at the sight of a dead deer.

I think I'd throw up.

D.Don

 

[machine gewehr]

You are vegan for health reasons but you drink and smoke? Breathtakingly incomprehensible.

No,I'm a vegan because I have problems with animal murders.

I said:

But what really matters is,I don't feel terrible after any meal,I can have a good nights sleep,I caused many murders but not any more.

 

[AlphaMale]

That is a bunch of BS. Since herbivore mammals usually have a functioning appendix, where is yours? Ever pay attention to your teeth? Clearly designed around a variable diet. Who says you can't eat raw meat? I'd also like you to present your evidence that we did not evolve to eat meat. I noted that you stated DESIGN. Who designed you? Where is your evidence of that?

Dear, Dr. Moron.

If you took 3 seconds to read my post, I never implied design. Haha funny thing is you did. Most biologists agree our "canine" teeth are nothing compared to that of a lion. Our "canine" teeth are actually in the jaws of herbivore apes, they are used to eat tough fruit. Here's a good example of what you want to know, If I left a raw steak outside for 2 days, a true omnivore/carnivore could eat it easily and not get sick. Almost any carnivore in a normal situation could do it. The acidity of it's saliva and stomach would destroy most of the illnesses we get. This is why we burn it, so that way we can digest it, and not get sick and die from eating it and it still has to be really fresh.


Regarding the Appendix thing

As man began to eat more easily digested foods, they became less reliant on cellulose-rich plants for energy. The cecum became less necessary for digestion and mutations that previously had been deleterious were no longer selected against. These alleles became more frequent and the cecum continued to shrink. After thousands of years, the once-necessary cecum has degraded to what we see today; the appendix.

It simply means we ate easier to digest food.


Evidence of us not evolving?
Check out each one of these, don't ignore a single one of them.

•Intestinal tract length. Carnivorous animals have intestinal tracts that are 3-6x their body length, while herbivores have intestinal tracts 10-12x their body length. Human beings have the same intestinal tract ratio as herbivores.

•Stomach acidity. Carnivores’ stomachs are 20x more acidic than the stomachs of herbivores. Human stomach acidity matches that of herbivores.

•Saliva. The saliva of carnivores is acidic. The saliva of herbivores is alkaline, which helps pre-digest plant foods. Human saliva is alkaline.

•Shape of intestines. Carnivore bowels are smooth, shaped like a pipe, so meat passes through quickly — they don’t have bumps or pockets. Herbivore bowels are bumpy and pouch-like with lots of pockets, like a windy mountain road, so plant foods pass through slowly for optimal nutrient absorption. Human bowels have the same characteristics as those of herbivores.

•Fiber. Carnivores don’t require fiber to help move food through their short and smooth digestive tracts. Herbivores require dietary fiber to move food through their long and bumpy digestive tracts, to prevent the bowels from becoming clogged with rotting food. Humans have the same requirement as herbivores.

•Cholesterol. Cholesterol is not a problem for a carnivore’s digestive system. A carnivore such as a cat can handle a high-cholesterol diet without negative health consequences. A human cannot. Humans have zero dietary need for cholesterol because our bodies manufacture all we need. Cholesterol is only found in animal foods, never in plant foods. A plant-based diet is by definition cholesterol-free.

•Claws and teeth. Carnivores have claws, sharp front teeth capable of subduing prey, and no flat molars for chewing. Herbivores have no claws or sharp front teeth capable of subduing prey, but they have flat molars for chewing. Humans have the same characteristics as herbivores.

 

[JimB52]

I only FELT morally superior, never chaimed to BE. I never push vegetarianism, tried it myself to get off lipitor (it worked). I have gone back to eating small amounts of chicken, lots of fish, and buy and cook beef for my wife and the kid that eats red meat.

 

[Barkless Dog]

Not what I'm saying... just making a philosophical point.


Cows are bred to be slaughtered.

If we didn't slaughter them, would we breed them?

They say that raising cattle is also a large contributing factor to global warming, them farting & belching.


Raising giant rabbits is far more cost effective for the yield of meat vs cost.

 

[Mark Reccord]

Dear, Dr. Moron.

If you took 3 seconds to read my post, I never implied design. Haha funny thing is you did. Most biologists agree our "canine" teeth are nothing compared to that of a lion. Our "canine" teeth are actually in the jaws of herbivore apes, they are used to eat tough fruit. Here's a good example of what you want to know, If I left a raw steak outside for 2 days, a true omnivore/carnivore could eat it easily and not get sick. Almost any carnivore in a normal situation could do it. The acidity of it's saliva and stomach would destroy most of the illnesses we get. This is why we burn it, so that way we can digest it, and not get sick and die from eating it and it still has to be really fresh.


Regarding the Appendix thing



It simply means we ate easier to digest food.


Evidence of us not evolving?
Check out each one of these, don't ignore a single one of them.


•Intestinal tract length. Carnivorous animals have intestinal tracts that are 3-6x their body length, while herbivores have intestinal tracts 10-12x their body length. Human beings have the same intestinal tract ratio as herbivores.

•Stomach acidity. Carnivores’ stomachs are 20x more acidic than the stomachs of herbivores. Human stomach acidity matches that of herbivores.

•Saliva. The saliva of carnivores is acidic. The saliva of herbivores is alkaline, which helps pre-digest plant foods. Human saliva is alkaline.

•Shape of intestines. Carnivore bowels are smooth, shaped like a pipe, so meat passes through quickly — they don’t have bumps or pockets. Herbivore bowels are bumpy and pouch-like with lots of pockets, like a windy mountain road, so plant foods pass through slowly for optimal nutrient absorption. Human bowels have the same characteristics as those of herbivores.

•Fiber. Carnivores don’t require fiber to help move food through their short and smooth digestive tracts. Herbivores require dietary fiber to move food through their long and bumpy digestive tracts, to prevent the bowels from becoming clogged with rotting food. Humans have the same requirement as herbivores.

•Cholesterol. Cholesterol is not a problem for a carnivore’s digestive system. A carnivore such as a cat can handle a high-cholesterol diet without negative health consequences. A human cannot. Humans have zero dietary need for cholesterol because our bodies manufacture all we need. Cholesterol is only found in animal foods, never in plant foods. A plant-based diet is by definition cholesterol-free.

•Claws and teeth. Carnivores have claws, sharp front teeth capable of subduing prey, and no flat molars for chewing. Herbivores have no claws or sharp front teeth capable of subduing prey, but they have flat molars for chewing. Humans have the same characteristics as herbivores.

Source?

 

[machine gewehr]

Raising giant rabbits is far more cost effective for the yield of meat vs cost.

If we raise too much of them,they'll take the world domination.