Think it's less an issue of direct coloration from a dedicated power amp and maybe more a match up between I/O impedance between nonvariable gain stages?
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Jule Amps Monique part 5
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Think it's less an issue of direct coloration from a dedicated power amp and maybe more a match up between I/O impedance between nonvariable gain stages?
Sure. But when comparing properly matched poweramps that are of similar power, I don't personally see much of a difference. I am assuming one doesn't have an input sensitivity of 0.775V and the other 1.4V, etc.
I would expect that the Minnie and the 700 poweramp are perfectly matched with Monique as well.
I've read through the entire thread (a couple days later) and have a quick question from 40 pages back or so 
In the thread, the interaction with a passive instrument and the sensitivity knob being much more noticeable than when using a passive instrument vs buffered/active signal came up in regards to Kjung's Nordy VP5- several others also chimed in. I believe people were finding a huge change when they specifically removed their Fdecks from their signal chain.... The end of it was something along the lines of the amp sees a buffered signal coming off the fdeck, the line is effectively an active line.
My question is something along the lines of - do all pedals affect the signal in a similar way and buffer the signal, effectively creating a buffered/'active' line to the preamp and take out some of that sensitivity mojo?
Looking for an excuse to make my way down to Santa Cruz for some time in one of my favorite cities- along with placing an order likely for the Tardis Monique 700... (though if that power amp comes out as a solo unit by then I may be in trouble.)
In the thread, the interaction with a passive instrument and the sensitivity knob being much more noticeable than when using a passive instrument vs buffered/active signal came up in regards to Kjung's Nordy VP5- several others also chimed in. I believe people were finding a huge change when they specifically removed their Fdecks from their signal chain.... The end of it was something along the lines of the amp sees a buffered signal coming off the fdeck, the line is effectively an active line.
My question is something along the lines of - do all pedals affect the signal in a similar way and buffer the signal, effectively creating a buffered/'active' line to the preamp and take out some of that sensitivity mojo?
Looking for an excuse to make my way down to Santa Cruz for some time in one of my favorite cities- along with placing an order likely for the Tardis Monique 700... (though if that power amp comes out as a solo unit by then I may be in trouble.)
Yes, any buffered bypass pedal will affect the interaction, as will any pedal that is on.
Hope everyone is having a great holiday! Another year with Monique!!
The sensitivity knob's effect is quite pronounced with an active bass. Not saying its not more pronounced with passive just that I've never heard or felt a lack.
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I haven't played another amp (except provided backline) other than my Moniques going on 3 years. Looking forward to many gigs with Monique in 2015.
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So my bass player buddy Harry came over today and we ended up doing some quick A/B test between the power amps. He was playing one of my Smiths, and commented about how the last time he came up he thought there was a lot of "tube sag" in the feel. Today he said it felt quicker. The difference? Last time was Minnie, this time M700. So I broke out Minnie and we went back and forth. Definite difference in sound. Minnie was a bit darker - less highs, more mids. There also was a bit of sag. The M700 by contrast was very quick feeling, and more neutral in tone. The Smith sounded more open and extended with the M700.
Stuebig likely will come over this weekend so more thoughts to follow. But I'm liking the M700 so far. I've gotten over the form factor change, and actually like how the stack looks. The Gator 15x15 bag holds the amp just fine with some space to spare. The 12x12 does *not* fit.
Stuebig likely will come over this weekend so more thoughts to follow. But I'm liking the M700 so far. I've gotten over the form factor change, and actually like how the stack looks. The Gator 15x15 bag holds the amp just fine with some space to spare. The 12x12 does *not* fit.
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I've read through the entire thread (a couple days later) and have a quick question from 40 pages back or so
In the thread, the interaction with a passive instrument and the sensitivity knob being much more noticeable than when using a passive instrument vs buffered/active signal came up in regards to Kjung's Nordy VP5- several others also chimed in. I believe people were finding a huge change when they specifically removed their Fdecks from their signal chain.... The end of it was something along the lines of the amp sees a buffered signal coming off the fdeck, the line is effectively an active line.
My question is something along the lines of - do all pedals affect the signal in a similar way and buffer the signal, effectively creating a buffered/'active' line to the preamp and take out some of that sensitivity mojo?
Looking for an excuse to make my way down to Santa Cruz for some time in one of my favorite cities- along with placing an order likely for the Tardis Monique 700... (though if that power amp comes out as a solo unit by then I may be in trouble.)
Many of the fdeck owners discussed the difference of the fdeck with a Monique pre and power amp setup.
The difference is huge when comparing it connected between the pre and power amp (as opposed to first in the signal chain). A huge jump in gain (with either passive or active).
The consensus is to run the fdeck at the beginning of the chain (at least with Monique & power amp) rather than between them.
It was also confirmed that running the fdeck in the chain did change in tone. Although my experience wasn't huge (in terms of just the change in tone/volume) it did change.
I can't comment on any other pedals since I don't use them.
ive been having no trouble gigging with my 25 watt all tube amp. if jule would make a 25-50 watt all tube version id be all over it
Some follow-up testing with Steubig in the house today. We went back and forth using Monique as the front end, H1203 and TC112 cabs (both by themselves and in combination), and swapping the Minnie and M700. Bottom line is that they sound different - and fairly significant depending on how picky you are. At the risk of tonal descriptions:
M700 - more extended highs, more open sounding. Maybe a bit "quicker", and enable harmonics to speak effortlessly.
Minnie - more lower mid push, less open highs, more compressed
I think if I were playing a rock gig, Minnie might get the nod as it is a tad thicker and a bit more punch. The M700 is a bit more "hi fi" to my ear. Form factor depends on what you like. Minnie certainly is smaller (both are about the same weight). I think I'm likely going to run the M700 and probably sell Minnie and just find something cheap as a backup amp. Steuart will likely chime in with his thoughts.
M700 - more extended highs, more open sounding. Maybe a bit "quicker", and enable harmonics to speak effortlessly.
Minnie - more lower mid push, less open highs, more compressed
I think if I were playing a rock gig, Minnie might get the nod as it is a tad thicker and a bit more punch. The M700 is a bit more "hi fi" to my ear. Form factor depends on what you like. Minnie certainly is smaller (both are about the same weight). I think I'm likely going to run the M700 and probably sell Minnie and just find something cheap as a backup amp. Steuart will likely chime in with his thoughts.
Intrigued. Recording comparisons would be nice if its not too much trouble.Some follow-up testing with Steubig in the house today. We went back and forth using Monique as the front end, H1203 and TC112 cabs (both by themselves and in combination), and swapping the Minnie and M700. Bottom line is that they sound different - and fairly significant depending on how picky you are. At the risk of tonal descriptions:
M700 - more extended highs, more open sounding. Maybe a bit "quicker", and enable harmonics to speak effortlessly.
Minnie - more lower mid push, less open highs, more compressed
I think if I were playing a rock gig, Minnie might get the nod as it is a tad thicker and a bit more punch. The M700 is a bit more "hi fi" to my ear. Form factor depends on what you like. Minnie certainly is smaller (both are about the same weight). I think I'm likely going to run the M700 and probably sell Minnie and just find something cheap as a backup amp. Steuart will likely chime in with his thoughts.
Same here.Intrigued. Recording comparisons would be nice if its not too much trouble.
nostatic, were you driving the amps hard? Did you notice the same differences at low and high volumes?
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Green with envy. Mine is on the truck for delivery!
Anyone happen to have the spacing of the feet on the Monique700 Tardis? The chassis measures at 3.5" x 12" x 17", but the feet are inset slightly... trying to see if I can get away with it on top of an H1203 (18" tall x 14" wide x 13.5" deep, and I think the 12.3" deep includes some of the grill that sticks out) - or any work arounds anyone can think of...
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