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Double Bass Mic on an Acoustic Image Coda

Gregmak

Gregmak

Oct 1, 2009
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#1
Hi,

At the moment I own an ATM-350 clip on mic which I plug into my acoustic image coda. I'm trying to get the most natural sound I can get with my amp in small area gigs. Which means the drums are close to me and I will have a lot of bleeding.

The biggest issue is feedback. I can't get anywhere near to a realistic output for the gig without feedback, so I always end up using my realist instead of the mic.

I am wondering if the DPA 4099 can help me with this issue due to it's shotgun design. And by how much? Would I be able to get enough volume before feedback, or do you think the difference would be minimal? I don't want to spend 400 bucks for no reason.

Thank you in advance,
Greg
 
#2
Gregmak said:
Hi,

At the moment I own an ATM-350 clip on mic which I plug into my acoustic image coda. I'm trying to get the most natural sound I can get with my amp in small area gigs. Which means the drums are close to me and I will have a lot of bleeding.

The biggest issue is feedback. I can't get anywhere near to a realistic output for the gig without feedback, so I always end up using my realist instead of the mic.

I am wondering if the DPA 4099 can help me with this issue due to it's shotgun design. And by how much? Would I be able to get enough volume before feedback, or do you think the difference would be minimal? I don't want to spend 400 bucks for no reason.

Thank you in advance,
Greg
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Greg,
In a word, yes it will. I own both mic's and find the DPA 4099B is a better mic FOH and into an amplifier. If you decide to get one, I would recommend that you get the newer DVote version that has a detachable cable, and gooseneck extension.
It cost's more, but if for some reason you damage the cable, it can be replaced. I'd also take a look at the Troll Mic, since it's a ribbon, costs less and may actually go louder than the DPA with an amplifier.

Ric
 
#5
Gregmak said:
Would it be possible to leave the Troll mic on the bass instead of taking it off after each gig? Or is that not a good idea?
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Greg,
Based on what I've read on these threads, you certainly have that option, but I think a lot of players just leave it stowed on the bass. At least that's my impression, I could be wrong.
I took a look at the Mood Ingido website. It sounds really cool. Based on the kind of stuff you're doing I'd think the Troll would be perfect for that band's vibe.

Ric
 
#7
Hi,

I would like to let you guys know that I bought the Troll mic and installed it 2 days ago. I had a gig last night.
I am in love with the mic. I played the whole gig just with the Troll & Acoustic Image Coda. I had enough volume for the space which was for around 100 people.

Now for bigger places, I don't how it's possible to play with just the mic as it won't give out enough volume before feedback. But most of my gigs are small places and this mic is perfect. Also, it didn't pickup any of the drums which were 2 feet away from me. What a clever microphone.

Lastly, I read some posts about positioning. On my bass it seems that I get a better and fuller sound if I keep the mic closer to the body instead of the strings.
 
#8
I also have the Troll mic, and I love it. I've owned and used both the ATM350 and a DPA4099, as well as the Ehrlund, and many other dynamic and condenser mics, and the Troll blows them all away for great tone, and the amount of bleed-free and feedback-free volume. I run mine through an Acoustic Image Clarus and a DTAR Equinox parametric EQ, and I have found this to be a great sounding, "hi-fidelity" system. Brandon, the designer of the Troll, was very helpful in guiding me to making this system work with the Troll. A key piece of his advice was to utilize the high pass filter on the Clarus, which is a big factor in rolling off the sub-lows to give you the volume in you need for gigs.
 
#10
Hey man, I am glad you are loving the troll as well. I used the high pass filter last night on a gig because I was getting a lot of boomy lows, and it really helped hold the sound together. I am also leaving the Troll mounted on the bass!

I was wondering about buying a parametric EQ. The EQ on the coda doesn't give much control to be honest. Do you feel like the Equinox is a good buy to use with the Troll?

Many thanks for your reply.
 
#12
Yeah, I use my Equinox in the Clarus' effects loop. Works great. The Equinox is a very high end parametric, and I would highly recommend using it with the Troll.
 
#14
As a side note, I also have the Equinox attached to my Clarus by Velcro, which makes setup easier. I show up to a gig, pull out the Clarus and Equinox from my bag, plug in the mic cable and the speaker cable to speaker (Audiokinesis TC112) and I'm good to go. I have a stand that holds my Ipad/music stand, which also can hold my Clarus so the amp and EQ are elevated at an easy level for quick adjustment. I keep the speaker cabinet about 8 feet away from my bass (typically on the other side of the drummer), and that helps a lot with controlling feedback, while filing the room with my bass tone. After fighting with piezos (bad tone) and various mics (feedback hell), I think I've finally got the system I'm happy with for gigs that sounds great. If I am playing a larger venue, I just give the soundman a DI out of the Clarus for FOH.
 

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