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Double Bass New! Pirastro Perpetual Double Bass strings

As dumb luck would have it, a set of these strings just fell off of a truck in front of my house.

I'll string them up today and give some impressions over the weekend. Unfortunately my gig calendar is sparse at the moment, so they will have to be studio impressions.

I sugguest you call everyone in the area and say "yeah I know you booked someone else for the gig but I got these new strings...."
 
They don't. More so in the same camp as spiros. Meaning I sent a video to a friend and they could not tell the difference.
I have recently put a Flex Deluxe D and G over Spiro 3885 Weich E and A on my carved bass. They seem to blend well but at the moment I’m wrapping up a musical theater gig that involves the electric bass so I haven’t fully tested it. I’m curious if these new strings bow as well and work as a hybrid as that setup.
 
Okay, early impressions from a grizzled recovering string junky.

Out of the pack, they remind me a lot of Jazzers, in that they are slinky and supple, rather than stiff. The E and A feel very similar the and D and G of the Perpetual set feel more like the E and A do than the corresponding Jazzer strings. Which for me is good. I don't like strings to be too stiff. That said, they don't feel low tension like I think of Velvets being.

I put them on one at a time, starting with the G. They were replacing my standard go-to, which is Jazzers E, A, and D - Original Flat Chrome G.

The G is a strong win, just on it's own. It's really tough for me to like G strings on my bass. This one is really nice. If nothing else, it becomes my new favorite mis-matched G. But the D is also an improvement over the Jazzer D. Arco with the new set is much better (on these two strings) than with the Jazzer set. Playing jazz heads, walking lines and improvising, they sound and feel great. I was worried about them being bright, whiney, brittle sounding, but they aren't at all. They sound full with lots of fundamental. Pitch is clear and they are articulate without being overly Jaco-ey. They don't have the assaultive Spirocores fresh out of the pack sound to me.

The E and A are more like the Jazzers than the D and G (Which is a good thing in my book), but they are still completely distinct. I wouldn't mistake them for Jazzers or Spirocores. They really roar and project. The pitch is distinct, even on the low notes, but it's an honest "my bass" kind of sound. The lower strings require a bit more bow pressure, but still sound nice to me. I'm not an orchestral player, so...you know...someone who is will have to opine at some point. "un-bowable" strings would be a no go for me. These seem to bow just fine or maybe quite a bit better than that for me, but if that's your bread and butter, you'll have to try them or get an opinion from someone more qualified.

My bass and I are adjusting to them a bit. I'm playing with string height and tuning my afterlengths (yes, that's a real thing) and holding my enthusiasm back a bit, but honestly, I might be home with these strings. If they weren't Pirastros and weren't steel core I would hold back more, but I can't imagine what other shoe would fall. They are familiar, but totally new and my first impression is very good. I'm going to let them settle in, make a few adjustments and shed for a few hours and will update my impressions later.

To whoever commented on the silk color, they are more of a muted gold than baby-duck yellow to my eyes. Almost an earth-tone that with the wood of the bass in the background will blend in rather than stand out. If I loved the strings, I would accept hot pink silks, but I actually think they look pretty good.
 
my initial comment about silk color was half joke, half lame auto-excuse to avoid getting into the string rabbit hole but since the yellow silk doesn't look half bad, I am going to give a try to these as soon as they're available. ;) Their yellow is close to the gold on this emoticons. :thumbsup:
 
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Okay, early impressions from a grizzled recovering string junky.

Out of the pack, they remind me a lot of Jazzers, in that they are slinky and supple, rather than stiff. The E and A feel very similar the and D and G of the Perpetual set feel more like the E and A do than the corresponding Jazzer strings. Which for me is good. I don't like strings to be too stiff. That said, they don't feel low tension like I think of Velvets being.

I put them on one at a time, starting with the G. They were replacing my standard go-to, which is Jazzers E, A, and D - Original Flat Chrome G.

The G is a strong win, just on it's own. It's really tough for me to like G strings on my bass. This one is really nice. If nothing else, it becomes my new favorite mis-matched G. But the D is also an improvement over the Jazzer D. Arco with the new set is much better (on these two strings) than with the Jazzer set. Playing jazz heads, walking lines and improvising, they sound and feel great. I was worried about them being bright, whiney, brittle sounding, but they aren't at all. They sound full with lots of fundamental. Pitch is clear and they are articulate without being overly Jaco-ey. They don't have the assaultive Spirocores fresh out of the pack sound to me.

The E and A are more like the Jazzers than the D and G (Which is a good thing in my book), but they are still completely distinct. I wouldn't mistake them for Jazzers or Spirocores. They really roar and project. The pitch is distinct, even on the low notes, but it's an honest "my bass" kind of sound. The lower strings require a bit more bow pressure, but still sound nice to me. I'm not an orchestral player, so...you know...someone who is will have to opine at some point. "un-bowable" strings would be a no go for me. These seem to bow just fine or maybe quite a bit better than that for me, but if that's your bread and butter, you'll have to try them or get an opinion from someone more qualified.

My bass and I are adjusting to them a bit. I'm playing with string height and tuning my afterlengths (yes, that's a real thing) and holding my enthusiasm back a bit, but honestly, I might be home with these strings. If they weren't Pirastros and weren't steel core I would hold back more, but I can't imagine what other shoe would fall. They are familiar, but totally new and my first impression is very good. I'm going to let them settle in, make a few adjustments and shed for a few hours and will update my impressions later.

To whoever commented on the silk color, they are more of a muted gold than baby-duck yellow to my eyes. Almost an earth-tone that with the wood of the bass in the background will blend in rather than stand out. If I loved the strings, I would accept hot pink silks, but I actually think they look pretty good.

Very nice, informative review, Troy. Thank you. I'm going to be in trouble as soon as they are available since when my wife 'let me' buy the toy pictured below she made me promise I wouldn't want to buy ANYTHING ELSE for quite a while. Oh well, it's been a pretty good marriage as long as it lasted (40 years).
















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Thanks for the write up, Troy!

Just wrote Pirastro inquiring about these, so we'll see. I threw my Gamut guts (save for the E, which is an old Spiro medium) on my hybrid bass, but I'm not totally sure this is the sound I'm after/hearing in my head anymore.. may throw the old set of Spiro mediums I have back on (plus, the string length is 41", vs the 42" of my former Kay, which means the heavy and heavy + Gamuts feel quite a bit looser than I'd like). The Perpetuals sound most intriguing!
 
Can you fit a bass in that?

HA! Not even close. Makes the license plate kind of ironic, doesn't it? I just wasn't willing to give up the plate.

My wife kindly allows me to use her Kia Sorento to haul my bass.

I could fit a slab or an EUB in but I'm just not interested in playing those. I'm spoiled by my 7/8.

It does, however, fit my border collie, Tripp.

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There is not a single thing that I want from strings that I am not getting from these, at least at home. They are the strings I have been waiting on for 20 years. Time will tell on longevity, but they're steel, so I can't imagine them being fragile or going dead inside of a year. Hopefully my gig calendar will pick back up, so that I can field test, but there is a lot of complexity with these strings that usually translate to a workable sound and "cut" going from room-to-room and ensemble-to-ensemble.

But, seriously, after 3 days alone with them, I'm 100% satisfied. I did gain some wolfe-iness on my D string in about 4th or 5th position, but that's going to be a set-up issue, rather than a string issue and I'm going to give it a week to settle in and see if I can work it out on my own. If not, it's well worth a trip to the luthier to make adjustments for this set. I can't see using anything else any time in the foreseeable future...yes, I know putting that in writing sets me up to eat crow when the other shoe falls, but I'm on-record!
 
There is not a single thing that I want from strings that I am not getting from these, at least at home. They are the strings I have been waiting on for 20 years. Time will tell on longevity, but they're steel, so I can't imagine them being fragile or going dead inside of a year. Hopefully my gig calendar will pick back up, so that I can field test, but there is a lot of complexity with these strings that usually translate to a workable sound and "cut" going from room-to-room and ensemble-to-ensemble.

But, seriously, after 3 days alone with them, I'm 100% satisfied. I did gain some wolfe-iness on my D string in about 4th or 5th position, but that's going to be a set-up issue, rather than a string issue and I'm going to give it a week to settle in and see if I can work it out on my own. If not, it's well worth a trip to the luthier to make adjustments for this set. I can't see using anything else any time in the foreseeable future...yes, I know putting that in writing sets me up to eat crow when the other shoe falls, but I'm on-record!

I somehow knew you would be. Glad you’re enjoying them. I’m stuck in the car headed to the Litchfield Jazz Camp the next 2 days and haven’t had a chance to play my bass much this last week. I’ll put some good miles on them while I’m up
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If not, it's well worth a trip to the luthier to make adjustments for this set.

+1. A recent trip to my luthier is part of why I threw the old, used Spiro mittels back on my hybrid bass after I had him widen the nut and bridge grooves to accept my Gamut guts (which sounded great, but just don't seem or feel as appropriate for this bass as they did for my Kay). Amazing what a sound post adjustment will do to the feel of a bass, cuz the mittels now feel *just right* in terms of tension and overall timbre (round, deep, and punchy).
 
Pirastro hasn't said "out Spiro the Spirocores", that's the kind of thing that we say here. I would not mistake these for Spirocores. They are a different string and should be considered on their own merits. If you are happy with medium Spirocores, I wouldn't suggest fooling with anything else.

They have less tension and are more supple than medium Spirocores. That's good for my bass, might not be for yours. I was worried that they might be assertively bright, but they're not. They are articulate, pitch is really easy to hear, but they are somehow also warm and full sounding. The lower strings have a lot of deep fundamental, but still have a really clear pitch center. Not getting a lot of "growl" or "mwahh", but they just sound good to me. When I go up the G string, I expect one of two things to happen: 1) it gets whiney and banjo-y or 2) the pitch lacks definition. This is the best G I've ever had with regard to both. It's deep and warm sounding with a clear, bell-like note. It has a decent gauge, but isn't stiff. I really like it.

Where I will compare them to Spirocores is the complexity. There is just a lot there to work with across the tonal spectrum. Spirocores are the only other strings that have a broad spectrum of fundamental and overtones (I don't know if these are even the right words) to work with. These are not a single, simple sound like Evah's or Obligatos or Orchestral Heliocores. They also don't sound like Spirocores. Honestly, they sound like what I've been wanting something to sound like for a long time.

I bowed my way through a bunch of heads yesterday and today and I'm totally happy with them. I'm pretty pedestrian with the bow and I'm not that discerning, but they're not fighting me at all. They work as well as anything else I've used that was in the ballpark for pizz. The G string bows just as well or better than the Original Flat Chrome G that it replaced. Someone with better arco credentials is going to have to weigh in at some point for more than that.