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#401
Look at Big Ben, he is a good example of what a QB needs to be. Pass first, only run when you have too. Even then, sell the pass the whole time you run. Hasselback in Seattle is that way as well. These are the types of QB's you will need to win in the NFL now. No offense to Peyton Manning though.

It's nothing new really. Ben picked it up from watching Young, Elway, and Favre.

-Mike
 
#402
MJ5150 said:
Look at Big Ben, he is a good example of what a QB needs to be. Pass first, only run when you have too. Even then, sell the pass the whole time you run. Hasselback in Seattle is that way as well. These are the types of QB's you will need to win in the NFL now. No offense to Peyton Manning though.

It's nothing new really. Ben picked it up from watching Young, Elway, and Favre.

-Mike
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Young, Elway, Favre...that's what I see in Cutler. From what others say about him, he's still a little "raw", like in his mechanics, etc. The knock on him is that he relies on his arm strength too much, trying to always thread the needle and he throws too often off his back foot, and he takes too many risks.

Sound like someone else?

I loved what Big Ben did in the playoffs. THAT was a QB clinic.

Anyone else, feel free to chime in...I am bored beyond silly at work today.
 
#403
cheezewiz said:
My draft predictions don't normally go along with the pundits, but I'm sorry to say, they do this time.

I predict

#1 Houston R Bush
#2 NO (IF they don't trade...and I think it is MORE likely they trade
to someone who wants Leinart) D Ferguson
#3 Tennesee Leinart
#4 Jets M Williams (I'd LOVE to see him drop to 5, but it won't
happen)
#5 Packers AJ Hawk (I'd love to see them take V Davis instead,
but I think Hawk will be a player, so I wont
bitch too hard.
#6 Niners V Davis
#7 Raiders V Young
#8 Bills H Ngata
#9 Lions M Huff:hmm:
#10 Cards E Sims
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I disagree with the Cards pick...I don't see Ernie Sims cracking the top 10. I could see them taking Broderick Bunkley, Winston Justice if the Bills pass on him, or Jay Cutler, and definitely Vince Young if he is still available.

My top 10 is exactly like yours, except I have the Bills taking Justice and the Cards taking Jay Cutler...but I bet the Cardinals trade that pick anyway.
 
#404
Sundogue said:
Young makes things happen for sure. I don't really think he's a pro style QB though. I think he's more in the Vick mold. In other words...a QB/RB.
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I disagree, Vince Young's so big and strong that I think he can be coached to settle down and be a pocket passer that scrambles when necessary. Like Steve Young, Vince is faster on the field than as a true runner... I just think that's talent that's coachable (albeit, by the right coach). But to each his own :)
 
#405
wolfs said:
I disagree, Vince Young's so big and strong that I think he can be coached to settle down and be a pocket passer that scrambles when necessary. Like Steve Young, Vince is faster on the field than as a true runner... I just think that's talent that's coachable (albeit, by the right coach). But to each his own :)
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Well, it will be interesting to see how all these guys do in a couple of years. This has to be the most exciting draft class in quite some time.
 
#406
MJ5150 said:
Look at Big Ben, he is a good example of what a QB needs to be. Pass first, only run when you have too. Even then, sell the pass the whole time you run. Hasselback in Seattle is that way as well. These are the types of QB's you will need to win in the NFL now. No offense to Peyton Manning though.

It's nothing new really. Ben picked it up from watching Young, Elway, and Favre.

-Mike
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Can't Win? Standing stoic in the pocket yielded 14 Colts victories last year. The man is an oak tree with a precise arm and it works fine.

No they didn't seal the deal, but to say that one can't win without mobile QB is a little much don't you think.

One thing to think about, how many times did Big Ben get hurt and last year? Peyton?
 
#407
Hell, for the sake of argument, here's my completely mental first 10 picks mock draft:

1. Reggie Bush by the Redskins! Dan Snyder obviously doesn't believe in the draft, but he likes hype. So he'll cash in most of the Redskins draft picks for Bush in the surprise of the draft... it's about time to have another Hershel Walker / Ricky Williams go-for-broke trade...

2. Matt Leinart by the Saints, but he's immediately traded to the Tennesse Titans (sort of a hostage situation, in a way, since no one's buying the Vince Young smokescreen from the Titans) for the next pick and a player or another draft pick...

3. Jay Cutler by the Saints... having the Leinart situation go so well, the Saints will be emboldened to try again. This time the Jets bite, trading up both of their first round picks for Cutler...

4. D'Brickashaw Ferguson by the Saints... they keep this one...

5. Mario Williams by the Packers... and we finally have Reggie White reincarnate...

6. Michael Huff by the 49ers because Nolan's a defense guy and knows CB is more important than TE or LB.

7. Haloti Ngata by the Raiders... because Art Shell loves big guys and no one told Al Davis that Vince Young is still on the board

8. Vernon Davis by the Bills because Marv Levy knows that one of his three mediocre QBs might need to throw a pass to receiver some day...

9. Santonio Holmes by the Lions because Matt Millen can't help himself :D Seriously... if AJ Hawk's still on the board, Millen takes him... I mean it, really... no, really...

10. Vince Young by the Vikings (trade from the Cards) :eek: My worst nightmare, except that the Vikings manage to turn every really promising prospect into a bust so the rest of the Norris division can rest easy...
 
#408
abark000 said:
Can't Win? Standing stoic in the pocket yielded 14 Colts victories last year. The man is an oak tree with a precise arm and it works fine.
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Calm down big guy. :D

That's why I said no offense to Manning. I was meaning to exclude him from the general comment I was making. Manning is one of a kind, and I think the last of his kind for a bit. The NFL is full of copy cats. When one team finds something that works, all teams try to emulate it. The days of the stoic pocket passer are gone in the NFL. The days of the running QB are numbered. The guy in the middle is now the in thing to have if you run an NFL team.

-Mike
 
#409
MJ5150 said:
Calm down big guy. :D

That's why I said no offense to Manning. I was meaning to exclude him from the general comment I was making. Manning is one of a kind, and I think the last of his kind for a bit. The NFL is full of copy cats. When one team finds something that works, all teams try to emulate it. The days of the stoic pocket passer are gone in the NFL. The days of the running QB are numbered. The guy in the middle is now the in thing to have if you run an NFL team.

-Mike
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No problem dude. I have to get my trash-talking back into mid-season form. :D

The Colts need to get their loss in early so people will forgo the "undefeated" hype. I like this quote though I forget who said it: "Everytime people start talking about a team being the best ever, they get their asses beat."
 
#410
jive1 said:
You must be mental..........

telepathic that is.;)

I was just thinking that. It'd be nice to see a different perspective other than Kiper and his clones.
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Alright!

Same deal as last year. When I win, you'll put a pro-Cowboys statement, with a link to their website, and the declaration of Owens as the best WR in the NFL, in your signature, until the season begins. If you win, (not gonna happen), I'll give props to your beloved Cubs, in the fashion you see fit.

I'll post my first round within a couple of days. At least by the 30th.
 
#416
millen selected 3 WRs in 3 consecutive drafts in the first round (Charles Rogers, Roy Williams, and Mike Williams) when they had other glaring needs, such as ot and db. i just meant that i hope Ted doesn't do the same with QBs.
 
#417
Mental Octopus said:
must be a smokescreen...no way they draft one of the big 3 with aaron rodgers on the roster. i hope he doesn't pull a millen because his team has too many needs to fill.
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When you have a No. 5 draft pick, you don't draft on need...you take the best player available.

No one knows for sure, but if you feel you might be able to pick up a future "franchise" QB...you jump on it, regardless of who else is on the roster.

We had Brett Favre and we still drafted...

Matt Hasslebeck
Mark Brunell
Aaron Brooks
Ty Detmer
 
#418
Sundogue said:
When you have a No. 5 draft pick, you don't draft on need...you take the best player available.

No one knows for sure, but if you feel you might be able to pick up a future "franchise" QB...you jump on it, regardless of who else is on the roster.

We had Brett Favre and we still drafted...

Matt Hasslebeck
Mark Brunell
Aaron Brooks
Ty Detmer
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Hmm...

Matt Hasselbeck - Drafted in Round 6
Mark Brunell - Drafted in Round 5
Aaron Brooks - Drafted in Round 4
Ty Detmer - Drafted in Round 9 the year Favre started

It's one thing to draft someone in later rounds for depth (like the Packers have done throughout Favre's career). But to draft 2 QB's in 2 first rounds would not be a good thing for the team, as well as their salary cap. It would be like the Texans taking Leinart 1 overall even though they picked up the option on Carr.

I really feel like you just don't like Aaron Rodgers. Give the guy a chance before you even think about pulling the trigger on a guy like Vince Young (since Leinart will never be available at 5....and if TT drafted Jay Cutler in that spot...well I would just laugh) who is completely unproven. At least Aaron is familiar with the system, and the Packers had a great gift fall into their laps last year when he nosedived to the late 1st. If Favre doesn't come back, you have a better chance of winning with AR than some rookie.
 
#419
Mental Octopus said:
Hmm...

Matt Hasselbeck - Drafted in Round 6
Mark Brunell - Drafted in Round 5
Aaron Brooks - Drafted in Round 4
Ty Detmer - Drafted in Round 9 the year Favre started

It's one thing to draft someone in later rounds for depth (like the Packers have done throughout Favre's career). But to draft 2 QB's in 2 first rounds would not be a good thing for the team, as well as their salary cap. It would be like the Texans taking Leinart 1 overall even though they picked up the option on Carr.

I really feel like you just don't like Aaron Rodgers. Give the guy a chance before you even think about pulling the trigger on a guy like Vince Young (since Leinart will never be available at 5....and if TT drafted Jay Cutler in that spot...well I would just laugh) who is completely unproven. At least Aaron is familiar with the system, and the Packers had a great gift fall into their laps last year when he nosedived to the late 1st. If Favre doesn't come back, you have a better chance of winning with AR than some rookie.
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Hey, I'm all for giving Rodgers a chance, because the Pack certainly didn't give him one last year. I'm just throwing it out there to see what others think.

I think Cutler has something...particularly a big time arm. Rodgers doesn't. That doesn't mean he might not be THE guy of the future.

I just happened to read where Thompson was considering the possibility of drafting a QB at No. 5.

Personally I'd prefer Williams or Hawk, regardless of Favre's decision. But...Cutler looks interesting to me. I'm glad I'm not the one having to make the decision though.
 

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