Yeah, save that money for flyaway dates... your gonna need it for a quality flight case for that Vintage Bassman Head(30lbs.), power for your pedalboard/iem, extra baggage fees, and possibly a good di on top of that.
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Noble Amps Preamp
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Yeah, save that money for flyaway dates... your gonna need it for a quality flight case for that Vintage Bassman Head(30lbs.), power for your pedalboard/iem, extra baggage fees, and possibly a good di on top of that.
i mean to say this is another flavor of the month. Just like the REDDI, Monique, etc. for fly dates i just use a passive Radial and Mic a tube amp provided backline. no need to buy expensive pedals when you have the real deal.
I wouldn't say it is a flavor of the month if you are a session guy. At the end of the day this box seems geared to studio work imo. But there is a solid trend in the touring scene thats been going where guys are bringing their studio tone to live shows. This is usually done via Kemper on guitars and triggered kick samples on drums. Bass, we have it the most organic way. We can bring the same pedalboard we used in the studio and just set it down and play live with the same tone we used on the record. But that is just an added bonus. If I just played live, this would be a luxury buy.
REDDI has been the flavor of the "month" for quite a few years now. For good reason, it sounds killer. The Noble gives equally awesome (but different) tone and a whole lot of functionality. I know mine is going anywhere, anytime soon.
I agree. I do this because of using IEM's. A really good di/preamp enhances that experience A LOT.
yes quickly replaced by the monique, then the broughten p15, now the noble. next month another. i've been around here long enough to know how it goes.
you realize you can put the mic'd amp tone in your IEM as well right?
Here I am on the other hand, and I would say the Noble is equally geared for live use. I agree with your observation of the "solid trend" towards a compact "studio tone to live shows" movement. After all only time will tell, speculation of course will not.
New and classic juicy flavors await those who have yet to try it.
Yes, I realize new stuff comes out all the time. Doesn't mean the old stuff is any less great or that it doesn't have loyal a following.
Of course I am well aware about mic'ing a bass cab. I prefer not to carry a mic, especially when traveling or playing on a cramped stage. I am also having a hard time finding a mic that will power my pedals, from my pedalboard.
Yes, I realize new stuff comes out all the time. Doesn't mean the old stuff is any less great or that it doesn't have loyal a following.
Of course I am well aware about mic'ing a bass cab. I prefer not to carry a mic, especially when traveling or playing on a cramped stage. I am also having a hard time finding a mic that will power my pedals, from my pedalboard.
if you're talking fly dates the local crew should have plenty of mics, no need to carry your own. Sennheiser 421 or ev re 20 are pretty standard on stages everywhere.
really? i gotta have that air, i love the mic'd tone more than Direct tone.
I think the point everyone is trying to make is that, there is a level of consistency and convenience with showing up to a gig with something you know will work and sound great. The add benefit of this to any of the aforementioned stuff is you get a pedal power supply along with a killer di and Eq. I wish I had the luxury of having a a mic on my bass rig but most sound guys I've dealt with don't really care to have anything more then a di for bass. It's easier to control out front for them, or at least that's what I am told.
Not to re-open Pandora's box here, but as a sound provider, it's helpful to have as few open mics as possible, so DI's (good ones) can be a win for the sound tech and the bassist. An RE-20, for instance, will pick up every sound within 20 feet, from footsteps to bass pedal squeaks. It was developed for radio broadcast. How it got popular for live work is a mystery to me - oh, maybe it's because it sounds so good
? ...but it's a pain to control on stage.
I no longer have the M700 but it has nothing to do with it not meeting expectations nor do I think there's anything better in that category right now. I currently use a Mesa Subway D-800. I still feel that the M700 had a little more punch and the feeling of bottomless power on tap, but the Mesa (and from reports I've read other micros using the newer ICEpower modules) does sound a heck of a lot better than the previous generation of ICEpower micros (which includes the Minnie).Helpful perspective. Thank you. Do you still have the M700? If not, why did you get rid of it....is there another even better choice (besides the Noble power amp which does not exist yet
If they're based on the Fender EQ then they most certainly are passive tone stacks. Not that there's anything wrong with a passive tone stack, most of the classic amps have them.
"Based on the Fender tone stack" doesn't necessarily equal "it's a bassman."
The Nobel uses 12AU7s so even if the tone stack is close to the Bassman's the gain circuits are different.Not to re-open Pandora's box here, but as a sound provider, it's helpful to have as few open mics as possible, so DI's (good ones) can be a win for the sound tech and the bassist. An RE-20, for instance, will pick up every sound within 20 feet, from footsteps to bass pedal squeaks. It was developed for radio broadcast. How it got popular for live work is a mystery to me - oh, maybe it's because it sounds so good
While this is true, in my experience a close miked bass cabinet doesn't significantly reduce maximum system gain or contribute much to bleed, unless the cabinet is being run very quietly and you have to crank the input trim on the mic. Even with an RE20 I've never found it to be much of an issue. External kick drum mics and vocal mics, on the other hand... And as always YMMV.
That said, a nice DI with some colour and tone shaping options is a good tool to have in the box as well.
Not too many fly dates. My main gig is a corporate party band. We do business functions, weddings, and medium to large club/venues. Sometimes the stages are tight or the load in is weird, so I try to be as compact as possible. We almost always use the same FOH crew and I feel like using a quality DI provides consistency and predictability on my part. The engineers have always complimented my sound. I just happened to choose the Noble because the sound and features were exactly what I was looking for.
It's all about what works for the individual. I know a few guys who are adamant about mic'ing the bass rig, and thats cool too.
Sadowsky>Cali76 CB>Noble>Apogee no post processing!!!
Thanks! That video was a recording of me rehearsing for the release show this week. The original was recorded with a Reddi. It has been mixed and mastered, though so not a 100% comparison. Not to mention the compression on youtube really doesn't do any justice to properly recorded audio. uploaded it below.
My comparison having heard both raw audio files is that they are very different sounding pieces of gear. The Reddi has its sound and it is great, but thats it. The Noble definitely has a distinct sonic character that I like a little more than the "in-your-faceness" of the redid, but the eq makes it moldable to different circumstances. The best sound is when I run the noble as a preamp into the Reddi. But thats just crazy talk.
My comparison having heard both raw audio files is that they are very different sounding pieces of gear. The Reddi has its sound and it is great, but thats it. The Noble definitely has a distinct sonic character that I like a little more than the "in-your-faceness" of the redid, but the eq makes it moldable to different circumstances. The best sound is when I run the noble as a preamp into the Reddi. But thats just crazy talk.
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All 3 of the engineers we work with agree that both sound really good and its just a matter of preference. In my IEM's I like the sweetness of the Noble a little more than the aggressiveness of the Reddi.
It's really not fair to judge the two products based on sound alone, because the noble really does offer a much more versatile package over the "do one thing REALLY well" Reddi.
It's really not fair to judge the two products based on sound alone, because the noble really does offer a much more versatile package over the "do one thing REALLY well" Reddi.
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I don't remember reading anywhere that the Noble EQ is based on Fender EQ. Who says it is? Not trying to argue, just curious and surprised if it is.
