I sent my deposit Aug 11th. The email said they were still finishing up. Actually that's about 2 weeks isn't it, which was his prediction. All the components for a BB2 were in stock, might have something to do with that too. I know he's short staffed, he said things are crazy right now. I think he's having trouble even keeping up with email but definitely hanging in there.
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I sent my deposit Aug 11th. The email said they were still finishing up. Actually that's about 2 weeks isn't it, which was his prediction. All the components for a BB2 were in stock, might have something to do with that too. I know he's short staffed, he said things are crazy right now. I think he's having trouble even keeping up with email but definitely hanging in there.
My SM will also have a tophat installed, so it's not like they can just roll one off of the production line and send it to me. That might be part of the extra time, too.
oh i see, for mounting on a speaker pole, interesting
how will that work for dispersion
i seem to remember something in the BB2 manual and having contact with a surface to eliminate boom and better dispersion
To all the BB2 and BT2 owners, how smooth is the transition from the woofer to the horn driver with the knob full counter-clockwise (i.e. with the horn taking its largest share of duty)? I believe that is about the 2.0 KHz+ range.
Please help convince me that the horn is fully-capable of servicing the spectrum from that point on, especially when under high-wattage.
Thanks in advance!
Please help convince me that the horn is fully-capable of servicing the spectrum from that point on, especially when under high-wattage.
Thanks in advance!
yeah it doesn't sounds like a tweeter no harshness
its just there
i leave it all the way up and just adjust the tone knob on my bass according to the song im playing
its just there
i leave it all the way up and just adjust the tone knob on my bass according to the song im playing
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Instead of a tweeter pad it's actually a crossover adjustment? Do I have that right?
I would also be interested in whether letting the tweeter do more allows the woofer to do a better/cleaner/tighter job with the lows if its not distracted with the higher frequencies.
There's a BB2 manual? I didn't know that. Bought mine used.
My experience is that having contact with the floor enhances the bass response, but sometimes you don't want a "floor-enhanced" bass response especially if that floor is a wood box-type stage which acts as a resonator. The BB2 has plenty of bass response so I don't often feel the need to enhance that... I often use a gramma pad to prevent that, which tightens up the bass response without diminishing the natural bass of the cab. I am unaware of any significant effect on dispersion-- the lateral dissemination of sound-- of having a cabinet raised vs on the floor, but maybe I am just ignorant of the effect. If anyone has any info on that I'd like to hear about it; I don't know that it would change my approach, but I am open to teaching this old dog new tricks, and I am not the most technologically informed bass player you'll encounter; just enough to be dangerous.
The SM should have ample bass response such that if I lose some by not having it in contact with the floor, I have plenty left. I use a One10 on a pole mount on occasion with good results. The reasons I'd do it are generally 1) that I am playing in a quieter environment and so want the sound closer to ear level (One10 and SM are short cabs) so I can better monitor it and 2) if the floor of the room creates acoustic problems, such as playing on a hard linoleum floor in a non-absorbing, reflective room which can result in a lot of boom and little clarity, then putting it up on the pole can alleviate this and give a tighter, clearer sound.
When I pole-mount the One10, I use a mini stand that doesn't occupy a lot of floor space and has a max height of 42". I'd imagine it'll be the same set-up for the SM. I don't plan to use the pole mount option all that much ( I use it maybe 30% of the time with the One10 but expect it to be less with the SM) but I like having the option. When doing pit work for shows and such, it can be pretty handy to use the pole mount so I can well-monitor my own sound before anyone else hears it in the pit; and similarly if I am playing small, back-ground-music-y things where a tight control on the sound is important.
So, the tophat/pole mount is an option I like with these very small BF cabs. I don't have one in my BB2 nor do I feel I would want one particularly, but it's worth noting that the Barefaced FR-800 powered PA enclosure, which is basically a BB2 with a class D power amp in it, are meant to be pole-mounted, and presumably they will reinforce bass without inherent limitation so that you can run a full band through them, so I think pole-mounting BF enclosures is not taboo.
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Right, it's a cross-over adjustment-- turning the tweeter "off" doesn't just kill those frequencies entirely, it directs them down to the 12" driver. I can't provide a good answer to your second point of interest, but IMO the highs being directed back to the 12" driver has negligible impact on the performance of the 12" driver for low frequencies. It just changes the characcter of the high frequencies when you shift them to the tweet or 12" driver.
BB2 Manual:
"Plug it in and enjoy!"
The end.
"Plug it in and enjoy!"
The end.
If I were the technical writer for that manual, I'd also add one more sentence: turning the tweeter knob COUNTERCLOCKWISE turns the tweeter up, not the other way around."
dieselman
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With all due respect to everyone here, the following meet-up did not end well.
In retrospect I should have purchased a BB2.
{ Not wishing to troll, just my personal experience }
I am hoping to have a more-fair comparison opinion when my credit card allows.
Until then, please forgive my over-bearing questions and respectfully note that in Round 1: 3012LF vs 12XN550 Design, my nod goes to the competition, but to be continued...
Cheers!
In retrospect I should have purchased a BB2.
{ Not wishing to troll, just my personal experience }
I am hoping to have a more-fair comparison opinion when my credit card allows.
Until then, please forgive my over-bearing questions and respectfully note that in Round 1: 3012LF vs 12XN550 Design, my nod goes to the competition, but to be continued...
Cheers!
With all due respect to everyone here, the following meet-up did not end well.
In retrospect I should have purchased a BB2.
{ Not wishing to troll, just my personal experience }
I am hoping to have a more-fair comparison opinion when my credit card allows.
Until then, please forgive my over-bearing questions and respectfully note that in Round 1: 3012LF vs 12XN550 Design, my nod goes to the competition, but to be continued...
Cheers!
Care to share why? Volume? Tone? Other?
My SC left me feeling unsure when I first lined it up against some AudioKinesis cabs. I had some remorse, and felt the need to EQ stuff and fiddle. As the woofer broke in, I enjoyed it more. I ended up really liking the SC after a bit of time playing and adjusting. If I hadn't needed to use it for synth bass and drums, I'd have stayed with the SC happily.
I would think a BB2 would be a closer comparison.
Thank you, @monsterthompson !
My experience thus far -- and please believe me that I am non-biased -- when the two are compared the competition has more noticeable LF presecense and tangible prowess, and the largest factor for me in comparison is that the 4.0 kHZ top-end of the SC is a bit too dark, so much so that it sounds box-like against the other, way, way too much.
Again, not fair of an apples-to-apples comparison at this time.
Cheers!
Not to stir the pot, but in an A/B switched speaker comparison, the 3012LF is louder (and perhaps more authoritative) than a 12XN550 from a "girth" perspective.
I thought for certain, the 12XN550 would have taken this contest.
As an aside, I made sure to run 4.0 kHz-capped test signals through both cabinets for this.
I thought for certain, the 12XN550 would have taken this contest.
As an aside, I made sure to run 4.0 kHz-capped test signals through both cabinets for this.
