On the floor or on a stand?

[spigmu]

First order of the night is whether I care about the floor resonating me. I usually want it, unless the house is providing the gist of me to the listeners (which is rare), in which case it doesn't matter so I can tilt or raise higher. Getting it off the floor always changes things, not necessarily better or worse, but being responsible for from 75% to 100% of the bass makes me take it into consideration before raising or tilting for better me for me. I'm not a fan of raising the only cab in use. I'll move myself a few steps up and over to a sweeter spot.

 

[Robscott]

I use an amp stand with my 115, a milk crate ( sorry Jimmy ) for my 212.

Yep, spare chair for me

 

[mobeme23]

i built a basic stand for my 2x12.
i can get by without it, but it definitely helps for the louder gigs.
it's a bit heavy, but the pine tends to conduct pretty well, so i still get good thump on the floor.

 

[TemplesOfSyrinx]

I use this balance pad which is about the same size as the gramma pad. Glued a 1/8 inch piece of ply to the top and spray painted it black. My 212 or 210 cab sits beautifully on it and it eliminates any boominess a stage may have. I have my bass mixed into my in-ear monitors so I don't need to have it tilted towards my head. Best part is the pad only cost $25 as opposed to $87 for the gramma.

 

[seamonkey]

The lows of the bass waveform are omnidirectional.
Tone's all in the mids and highs, so it helps to lift or tilt the cab so the more directional mids and highs hit you ears.

 

[Ric5]

Aaaarrrggghhh! Wash your mouth out!!

I was at an outdoor party 5 or 6 years ago and a bass player was playing through a rig like that and it was very clear and it cut through the mix

 

[Pings Bass]

Amp stand for my little 1x12. Decouples it from the floor and points it at my ears. This cheapo stand isn't the best for setup/teardown/loading. But it makes all the difference in terms of sound.

 

[Jeff Scott]

Metal luggage stand.

 

[Jared Houseman]

I would tilt mine back, but the head would fall off....

I use a ratchet strap. Turns my cab and head to a lightweight combo

 

[Adjectives]

My 2x10 extension cab the the stand my 2x10 combo.

 

[mrjim123]

Pictured is the stack I use for smaller / low volume gigs. On the bottom is a Quick Cart I bought from Amazon; it has wheels and a collapsible handle, so it doubles as a cart / amp stand.

For larger venues and more volume I stack two Acoustic BN112's instead. I think the top cab is sufficiently elevated that I don't have to stack them on the cart.

 

[dave64o]

I have a pair of folding plastic step stools (I think each is about 14" tall) and I put a Gramma pad on top so there's a single flat surface. Then I put one or both of my Big Baby 2's on the Gramma and my amp and wireless go on top. Even when I use only one cabinet, that extra 1.5 feet of height helps me hear much better. And when I use both cabinets, the mid/high driver on the top cabinet is almost at ear level and I have absolutely no trouble hearing myself.

I recently bought a WORX Sidekick work table, thinking that the 32" height would be great when using a single cabinet (I also bought a cheap black blanket to cover it, which would also give me a place to hide some cases/covers/bags once we're set up. However, its footprint is pretty big and we're usually squeezed in tight, so I haven't brought it out yet. Not sure I will.

Here it is: Sidekick Work Bench - WX066 | WORX

 

[mrjim123]

I have never been a bass cab stand person. The bass amp/cab is supposed to resonate with the floor. Years ago I played at a church and sat my hartke 1415 combo in a chair. It did not have the big bass sound. Then I sat it in the floor wala !! Nice big sound. BUT, at the dive I play at now, I have to put a wedge under the front of the cab because it resonates too much and it is boomy. Especially when I play my P bass. The wedge 'breaks' the resonance some.

What you said about putting the cab on the floor was my way of thinking until about six months ago, but it is a popular misconception. Per Bill Fitzmaurice (I think that is spelled correctly, a guy with a degree in audio and a professional cab designer, former TB member) I learned this:

1. A cab does not need to be on the floor to benefit from acoustic coupling. A cab raised X inches from the floor will still benefit 100% from floor coupling (I forget the exact figure for X, but is was over 20 inches).

2. The reason a cab SEEMS to become bassier when placed on the floor is because you are less able to hear the mid to high frequencies (unless you are standing a considerable distance from the cab, i.e., not standing on stage). This is because higher frequencies are more directional than low frequencies. So, you are not really hearing what the audience hears.

 

[Engineer_Josh]

@alanloomis1980

how much band and how big a Room Do you handle with the rumble 100?

super tempted by the light weight.....

I use the folding wedge Stumbo mentioned for a Rumble 100. It was like 20 bucks and super compact. It folds up and slips into my shoulder bag. I really like it; seems to do the trick by pointing the sound up, and also decoupling the boomy bass from the floor.
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[FronTowardEnemy]

I use a table I bought at menards to put my 210 up on.

I keep my 410, 212, and 115 on the floor though. The 210 just projects too nicely not to hear it in it’s full glory hitting your ears, I choose this setup for live gigs mostly.

Works out good for low wattage tube amps too, I put my LB up on it as well.

 

[Pings Bass]

Reading this thread I'm surprised how many people see stage coupling as a positive thing. I mean we have these expensive tuned cabs, and y'all wanna chuck that control and go with boomy stage resonance? Ok boomer...

 

[mrjim123]

@alanloomis1980

how much band and how big a Room Do you handle with the rumble 100?

super tempted by the light weight.....

Tons of info on TB about the Rumbles. Do a search.

 

[Nephilymbass]

Since not everyone are rocking 4/6/8x10 what do you do with the 1x15 / 2x10 and 2x12 cabs?
Leave them on the floor to hit hour ankles? Tilt them like monitors? Put them on a chair/table/designated stand?

pictures will be highly appreciated for demonstration if you have a special way to do it

I have an ampeg 410he and a 15 cabs. Normally I like to stack the 410 on top of the 15 even if I just plug in the 410 and basically use the 15 as a cool looking stand. But something else I do is I’ll take advantage of the removable casters. If you have a cab with removable casters like the ones that come on ampeg classic cabs and you take off the two rear ones but leave the front ones on it’ll give you some tilt. Now when I do tilt a cab I set my amp on the floor behind it so I don’t have to worry about it sliding off. But I eventually plan on getting an amp mount. I came across one on YouTube that was designed for wedge style cabs like the greenboy f112 that have a lot more tilt. It’s just basically a piece of aluminum bent in sort of a z shape so one part hangs on the top front edge of the cab and the other end of the Z keeps the amp from sliding off the top.

 

[ThinCrappyTone]

One of the many reasons I like these Genz Benz cabs... built in tilt-back

 

[Peteyboy]

Reading this thread I'm surprised how many people see stage coupling as a positive thing. I mean we have these expensive tuned cabs, and y'all wanna chuck that control and go with boomy stage resonance? Ok boomer...

I'll speak for myself and say that if I'm getting FOH support and my rig is loud enough to be boomy on the floor then my stage volume is too loud.