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Paul Gray form Slipknot found dead

#202
sonic assassin said:
some with chock that up to aesthetics. you're right, but im almost half-right :p

i like the look of the regular ATK, maple fb and all. hate the weight and that nasty preamp. the paul gray didnt really do it for me. a little too gimmicky.. not personalized, just slathered in logos.
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I do not feel that fretboard wood is a purely aesthetic choice. I have hated the feel of every maple fretboard I've ever played. Which sucks, because they do look cool.

As for the rest, I like the colors, but not the Slipknot logo on the fretboard. Then again, it IS the signature model of Slipknot's bassist, and the one he plays has that inlay, so I can't really criticize.




Back on topic, while I've never been a fan of Slipknot, it sucks that he died, and I'm sure this will be a hard time for his fans and most of all his family and friends.
 
#205
cassanova said:
Hey man, not to sound like a dick, but can you refrain calling people with substance addictions "druggies." As a recovering addict and one who works with them I find that term, quite derogatory, disrespectful, and out right rude because it portrays addicts in an extremely negative stereotype, like they're all pieces of crap.
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Guy,

May I ask why you're so sensitive? I mean, we are "druggies, junkies, dope fiends, ____ heads, addicts". we just happen to be in recovery.
 
#207
JimmyM said:
yes, i am a miserable a-hole because i like to see kids grow up with semi-competent parents who love them.
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No, you are not. You are clearly a person who feels very strongly.

I think it's safe to say that we all have some connection to the downside of the dark side life.

While I do not disagree with your sentiment, I do disagree with your (and those climbing on board the mobile soap box) timing. I think discussing addiction and it's consequences is a very valuable thing. Just not over someone's freshly dug grave and in such disrespectful terms.

His life very well could be a perfect object lesson on the down side of drug abuse. It could also be a lesson on how life simply mows some people down. While we may be able reasonably assume some things, one thing we can know for sure is there are a lot of people close to him who are experiencing very bad times right now and the last thing anyone needs to do is make matters more difficult.

There's a time and a place for everything. I'd be willing to bet that in time even those close to him will see value in using his life and tragic death to help others seek help to break drug addiction.
 
#208
It was actually looking through an Ibanez bass catalog and starting at the PGB that made me buy my Ibanez (SRX300). I was looking into another bass to play some Marilyn Manson that at BEAD at was looking at his signature model or just going for a 5 string for the low B (Fieldy's K5). I don't have the money or the "need" so it probably won't happen but nice bases for sure....(off track, sorry)....Personally I hate Slipknot's music..I can't even hear the bass over the 5 drummers and 6 guitar players plus the screaming but he seemed to be quite talented and it's sad to see anyone die like this. I can't judge the guy because I'm not him and wasn't in his shoes. I do feel bad for his wife and child and his family, but it was his choice and unfortunatley we have to live with the consequences and try to move on.
 
#209
tZer said:
...While I do not disagree with your sentiment, I do disagree with your (and those climbing on board the mobile soap box) timing. I think discussing addiction and it's consequences is a very valuable thing. Just not over someone's freshly dug grave and in such disrespectful terms...
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I look at it differently. I think now IS the time to acknowledge how his (or anyone's, for that matter) incredibly poor decision-making cost them their life and left many loved ones grieving. To ME, I think we need to stop being so soft, and be realists. Now is the time (when the sting is fresh) to acknowledge he did it to himself. What better way to potentially curb others from following in the same self-destructive path?

I dunno, maybe it's just me. No one has said anything about the guy that doesn't appear to be true. Why sugar coat everything?

I was one of the biggest Layne Staley fans ever. The day after he died, I had no problem saying the idiot killed himself because of his DUMB decision making and habits of a druggie!

When Brad Delp of Boston died, I literally cried a little. I was a massive massive fan of his voice, his music, and everything he stood for as a person. Despite that, I did not SUGAR COAT the fact the he left his fiance all alone following his selfish act of killing himself.


We need to all grow a set and stop gingerly dancing around the pink elephants. :rollno:
 
#210
Eric Perry said:
...We need to all grow a set and stop gingerly dancing around the pink elephants. :rollno:
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Again, I agree that a discussion about the consequences of [x] abuse is worthwhile.

While it's clear that many here are convinced they know enough about Paul Gray to climb onto soapboxes and vent their spleens about the evils of drug use, doing so without the benefit of the facts - even if it's highly likely that drug abuse was the cause - is rude, presumptuous and in polite circles, inappropriate.

Please, by all means start a thread to discuss the topic of abuse and it's consequences. Let people who are sad for Mr. Gray's passing and sorry for his friends' and family's loss have their time without pulling a 'Rev. Phelps' on 'em.
 
#215
The start of a journey Is every bit worth it I can't let you Down anymore
The sky Is still clearing We're never afraid And the consequences Opens the door
I never stopped trying I never stopped Feeling like family Is much more than blood
Don't go on without me The piece That I represent Compliments each And everyone

Til we die
Til we die

We won't be forgotten We'll never give in This war we've achieved Has allowed us to win

Til we die
Til we die

My last true confession Will open your eyes I've never known Trust like the 9
Let it be spoken Let it be screamed They'll never ever Take us alive
​
 
#216
rocker246 said:
thats what i thought too. big dude,used to be on heavy drugs, it all adds up. whatever the cause was, Rock In Peace man. you will always be missed
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Yeah, it may be drug related even if he didn't OD.

Sometimes even if someone gets clean eventually, during the time they were addicted, they've done irreparable damage to themselves. Even though my dad had been sober for something like fifteen years when he died, the period before that when he had a big problem with alcoholism probably played a substantial part.
 
#217
BobaFret said:
I agree with most of what you said in principal ( I have a family and they need me ) it's just a subject I tread lightly on because I've seen it first hand. It's a sad deal across the spectrum.
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+1. when all who are preaching now have lost a loved one to drug overdose or drug abuse you just may change your tune. it's real easy to point fingers or to say " i'm a better person because i don't do drugs" but when your brother or sister or mother or father dies i bet you don't go preaching about how you were a better person or point out the mistakes they made in their lives. that's all.
 
#219
Sartori said:
If you actually take joy in the death of a bassist who did nothing to you, who didn't even know you, then...

Well, I feel sorry for you. It is a shame you are so filled with spite and pettiness. Do you have no concept of empathy?

I wasn't a Slipknot fan, I really didn't like their music. I still find it a sad thing to happen, though.
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+1

i really hope that post wasent fueled by a distaste for his music.

i could give less a damn about their music, but for all i care, he could've been an auto mechanic, bad musician, great musician, gypsy, whatever; the loss of a life is a horrible thing.

rip.
 

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