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Roger Waters has to be stupid

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#181
Ric5 said:
Why on earth would anybody want to quit working with David Gilmour?

Dave is a great guitar player, and a great singer ...
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Roger Waters is an opinionated, talented individual who is one of the best lyricists in the business.
David Gilmour is a talented, unique guitarist with one of the best tones and ears for melody in the business.
It is a damned shame the two of them couldn't find some common ground after "The Final Cut".
The PF albums without Waters are a sad mess lacking in depth, trading on fan service and memories of greatness.
The Waters albums without Gilmour are intense, lyrically-focused affairs sorely missing the input of other songwriters.
Together - awesome
Apart - both lacking.
 
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It's pretty well documented how difficult Roger was to be around in their post-Dark Side years. But someone had to take the reins. No one else seemed interested in doing so, so Roger took them—and took the Floyd to incredible heights. His exacting nature wore on members of the band who, with no more heights to scale, weren't a cohesive, collaborative, interested unit anymore.

As for Gilmour, if he was a tool, someone as cheerful and decent as Guy Pratt probably would have bailed ages ago.

As has been said here already: greater than the sum of their parts when together. The heart went one way, the soul went another.
 
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#186
NoiseNinja said:
Admittedly Roger Waters somehow managed to lay down some pretty interesting both groovy and melodic bass lines on the first couple of releases by Pink Floyd, if that was even him, later though most of supposedly Roger's bass lines were actually recorded by Gilmour.

I know for a fact that when Pink Floyd started out he didn't even know how to tune his own bass.

And this video should be a proof of that whatever talent Roger possibly did use to posses on bass since has mysteriously disappeared:
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Lord, He def drunk af.
 
#187
Charlzm said:
Roger Waters is an opinionated, talented individual who is one of the best lyricists in the business.
David Gilmour is a talented, unique guitarist with one of the best tones and ears for melody in the business.
It is a damned shame the two of them couldn't find some common ground after "The Final Cut".
The PF albums without Waters are a sad mess lacking in depth, trading on fan service and memories of greatness.
The Waters albums without Gilmour are intense, lyrically-focused affairs sorely missing the input of other songwriters.
Together - awesome
Apart - both lacking.
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Have you actually listened to all of Floyds post waters albums? They all have some great songs, many of my favorites are from after Rogers left even. Especially the live versions.

I think there was plenty of depth to some of their later stuff, Take It Back and On The Turning Away are both very deep inspiring songs with a lot of meaning.
 
#188
Marc Maron interviewed Waters last year on *** Podcast. Beautiful interview and it shows how compassionate, smart and balanced Roger Waters is. Until his relationship with Floyd is mentioned and a hurt ego comes out. I found it quite interesting. We are never immune to that ego.

Edit: W Tee Ef gets censored? That's poopy. Hehe
 
#189
Waters, Gilmour, and God read this thread, and they have decided to turn back time 36 years and keep the classic Floyd lineup together...and it's all thanks to you guys! And who says threads like this are a senseless waste of time? Not me!

On another note:

Ric5 said:
And boy does Roger look stupid with an eye patch
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Beats having his eyeball fall out. Gary Glitter accidentally hit Roger (Daltrey, not Waters) in the eye with a mic stand during a rehearsal for this show, and it broke out the eye socket and Roger's face kept wanting to expel the eye. So eye patch.
 
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Fxpmusic said:
Marc Maron interviewed Waters last year on *** Podcast. Beautiful interview and it shows how compassionate, smart and balanced Roger Waters is. Until his relationship with Floyd is mentioned and a hurt ego comes out. I found it quite interesting. We are never immune to that ego.

Edit: W Tee Ef gets censored? That's poopy. Hehe
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There are some interviews with David Gilmour aboard his floating studio, Astoria, by Paul Pappaport where Gilmour is very philosophical about the whole thing, and even hints the Waters was usually right in the end (Google them). It's refreshing that Gilmour doesn't have any rancor about it. Waters also, in recent years seems to have mellowed. In the end these guys left us with some BRILLIANT records to listen to and it might be best to leave it at that. IMHO only. They left us with some really amazing music and that's good enough for me.
 
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A.K. said:
Why on Earth would Gilmour want to quit working with Waters, who is one of the most brilliant and important composer/lyricists in post-WWII British music?

Gilmour is undeniably a superb musician and a very special talent, but the two Floyd albums he helmed were weak, even after hiring legions of outside writers in an attempt to produce Waters-like material.
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Waters solo stuff wasn't that great either. Frankly, even the Wall is not on the same level as Animals, Wish You Were Here, or Dark Side.
Richard Wright was very important as well and Waters all but threw him out.
 
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#196
tbz said:
Don't know anyone else that writes songs like Waters.
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I do, my 7 year old cousin!

I’m in bed (Doctor, doctor)
Achin’ head (Doctor, doctor)
Gold is lead (Doctor, doctor)
Choke on bread (Doctor, doctor)
Underfed (Doctor, doctor)
Gold is lead (Doctor, doctor)
Jesus bled (Doctor, doctor)
Pain is red (Doctor, doctor)
Dark doom
Gruel ghoul, greasy spoon
Used spoon, June bloom

Music seems to help the pain
Seems to cultivate the brain
Doctor kindly tell your wife that
I’m alive
Flowers thrive
Real eyes
Realise
Real lies

Was the kind of embarrassing crude meager attempts at something that could resemble lyrics he would dabble with, here compared to the rich imaginative poetic language of his peer and band mate Syd Barrett around the same time:

Feel

You feel me
away far too empty, oh so alone!
I want to go home
Oh find me inside of a nocturne - the blonde
how I love you to be by my side
they wail...
the crowd on her side
she straggled the bridge by the water...
She misses her crawl
far ley grew
heady aside in a dell
inside an eye be the lonely one, my bride
how I leave on the waddling wheel
they flail...
a gasp shringing
a bad bell's ringing
the angel - the daughter...

Or this:

Wolfpack

Howling the pack in formation appears
Diamonds and clubs, light misted fog, the dead
Waving us back in formation,
The pack in formation
Bowling they bat as a group
And the leader is seen so early
The pack on their backs, the fighters
Through misty the waving the pack in formation
Far reaching waves
On sight, shone right
I lay as if in surround
All enmeshing, hovering
The milder I gaze
All the animals laying trail
Beyond the bough winds
Mild the reflecting electricity eyes
Tears, the life that was ours
Grows sharper and stronger away and beyond
Short wheeling fresh spring
Gripped with blanched bones moaned
Magnesium, proverbs and sobs
Howling the pack in formation appears
Diamonds and clubs, light misted fog, the dead
Waving us back in formation,
The pack in formation.
Information!


Then about 20 years later Roger Water's has matured to write decent "misfit teen" lyric's like this, that at least makes sense, even if still rather primitive in any artistic sense and with rather cliché thematics and straight forward banal points:

Amused to Death

Doctor doctor, what is wrong with me?
This supermarket life, is getting long
What is the heart life of a color TV?
What is the shelf life of a teenage queen?
Ooh Western Woman
Ooh Western Girl

News hound sniffs the air
When Jessica Hahn goes down
He latches onto that symbol of detachment
Attracted by the peeling way of feeling
The celebrity of the abused shell, the belle
Ooh Western Woman
Ooh Western Girl

The children on Melrose strut their stuff
Is absolute zero cold enough?
And out in the valley, warm and clean
The little ones sit by the TV screen

No thoughts to think
No tears to cry
All sucked dry
Down to the very last breath

Bartender what is wrong with me?
Why am I so out of breath?
The captain said 'Excuse me ma'am'
'This species has amused itself to death'
 
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#198
NoiseNinja said:
I do, my 7 year old cousin!

I’m in bed (Doctor, doctor)
Achin’ head (Doctor, doctor)
Gold is lead (Doctor, doctor)
Choke on bread (Doctor, doctor)
Underfed (Doctor, doctor)
Gold is lead (Doctor, doctor)
Jesus bled (Doctor, doctor)
Pain is red (Doctor, doctor)
Dark doom
Gruel ghoul, greasy spoon
Used spoon, June bloom

Music seems to help the pain
Seems to cultivate the brain
Doctor kindly tell your wife that
I’m alive
Flowers thrive
Real eyes
Realise
Real lies

Was the kind of embarrassing crude meager attempts at something that could resemble lyrics, here compared to the rich imaginative poetic language of his peer and band mate Syd Barrett around the same time:

Feel

You feel me
away far too empty, oh so alone!
I want to go home
Oh find me inside of a nocturne - the blonde
how I love you to be by my side
they wail...
the crowd on her side
she straggled the bridge by the water...
She misses her crawl
far ley grew
heady aside in a dell
inside an eye be the lonely one, my bride
how I leave on the waddling wheel
they flail...
a gasp shringing
a bad bell's ringing
the angel - the daughter...

Or this:

Wolfpack

Howling the pack in formation appears
Diamonds and clubs, light misted fog, the dead
Waving us back in formation,
The pack in formation
Bowling they bat as a group
And the leader is seen so early
The pack on their backs, the fighters
Through misty the waving the pack in formation
Far reaching waves
On sight, shone right
I lay as if in surround
All enmeshing, hovering
The milder I gaze
All the animals laying trail
Beyond the bough winds
Mild the reflecting electricity eyes
Tears, the life that was ours
Grows sharper and stronger away and beyond
Short wheeling fresh spring
Gripped with blanched bones moaned
Magnesium, proverbs and sobs
Howling the pack in formation appears
Diamonds and clubs, light misted fog, the dead
Waving us back in formation,
The pack in formation.


Then about 20 years later Roger Water's has matured to write decent "misfit teen" lyric's like this, that at least makes sense, even if still rather primitive in any artistic sense and with rather cliché thematics and straight forward banal points:

Amused to Death

Doctor doctor, what is wrong with me?
This supermarket life, is getting long
What is the heart life of a color TV?
What is the shelf life of a teenage queen?
Ooh Western Woman
Ooh Western Girl

News hound sniffs the air
When Jessica Hahn goes down
He latches onto that symbol of detachment
Attracted by the peeling way of feeling
The celebrity of the abused shell, the belle
Ooh Western Woman
Ooh Western Girl

The children on Melrose strut their stuff
Is absolute zero cold enough?
And out in the valley, warm and clean
The little ones sit by the TV screen

No thoughts to think
No tears to cry
All sucked dry
Down to the very last breath

Bartender what is wrong with me?
Why am I so out of breath?
The captain said 'Excuse me ma'am'
'This species has amused itself to death'
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I thought his last album was brilliant.

Weird how you're quoting lyrics to obscure unknown songs instead of....oh....maybe quoting lyrics to ones that people actually accept as being popular. Like anything from DSOM, or the Wall, or Wish you Were Here.....

You lose me more when you quote Barrett as a brilliant lyricist.

I've been around enough legitimately crazy people to differentiate genius from the ramblings of a madman.

Terribly sorry you haven't. Congrats. You've been brainwashed by record company PR.
 
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tbz said:
I thought his last album was brilliant.

Weird how you're quoting lyrics to obscure unknown songs instead of....oh....maybe quoting lyrics to ones that people actually accept as being popular. Like anything from DSOM, or the Wall, or Wish you Were here.....

You lose me more when you quote Barrett as a brilliant lyricist.

I've been around enough legitimately crazy people to differentiate genius from the ramblings of a madman.

Terribly sorry you haven't. Congrats. You've been brainwashed by record company PR.
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My sincere condolences goes to you, for apparently having been brainwashed by popular culture to a degree that you mistake real art and poetry for being the work of a mad mans rambling.

You lost me there, I shall from now on disregard whatever opinion you might have on lyrics, poetry and art as the words of a less fortunate in that regard.

I am not sure weather your loss can be helped or you are a lost case, unfortunately I don't have neither the time or patience to reeducate you.

On a note though that first Roger Waters quote is from the first Pink Floyd album Piper at the Gates of Dawn and the other Roger Waters quote is from the tittle track of his quite popular solo album from 1992.
 
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