lo-freq said:
>>> Probably don't need the sub-dub thing, plus I only play
4 strings..Sounds like the 4-10 would put out plenty of low
end, no?
Thx
Slug
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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)
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>>> Probably don't need the sub-dub thing, plus I only play
4 strings..Sounds like the 4-10 would put out plenty of low
end, no?
Thx
Slug
It really does sound like from what you're describing that a 1210 with a clean 850 solid state watts at 4 Ohms getting pumped through it should be plenty. My comparison for you is my classic rock band has played 3 times at the Cleveland House of Blues restaurant/bar. Raised stage, wood floor with a thick curtain behind us, I'd say about 75 feet long and about a double wide width. We have 2 guitars and keys + a loud drummer. I've used the 1210 there twice and the 410 once. Although the PA was available, the soundman has pretty much not put me through the PA. I also don't have Jorg's standard 850 watts worth of speakers....I have a prototype cabinet (same cabinet...Selenuim 700 watt capacity speakers...I was in a rush to get a cab, it's what Jorg had available, haven't regretted it whatsoever!!!!)..
There's also be several other gigs in similar sized rooms maybe even slightly larger...usually wider, that the 1210 has been not only loud "enough" but where I had quite a bit more clean volume available, but didn't need to use it. I've never yet turned my amp up to it's maximum.
I think your worst case scenario is that it will be really nice and loud and punchy/clean, and maybe, just maybe, you'll have your PA add a little to it, just as was the case with your Eden 410, but you're talking about a much smaller footprint on stage. with a lighter cabinet, and a much more hearable tone on stage.
Given mine and my guess other's experiences with the 1210, and based on your description of room, other band members not being extraordinarily loud, and you're having 850 clean watts to pump, I would not be sweatin bullets whatsoever wondering if you'll be loud enough. I think the other people in the band might be considering what they'll be hearing and then seeing where it's coming from vs. the size of the Eden you used to bring with you!!
I hope this helps?
Larry
There's also be several other gigs in similar sized rooms maybe even slightly larger...usually wider, that the 1210 has been not only loud "enough" but where I had quite a bit more clean volume available, but didn't need to use it. I've never yet turned my amp up to it's maximum.
I think your worst case scenario is that it will be really nice and loud and punchy/clean, and maybe, just maybe, you'll have your PA add a little to it, just as was the case with your Eden 410, but you're talking about a much smaller footprint on stage. with a lighter cabinet, and a much more hearable tone on stage.
Given mine and my guess other's experiences with the 1210, and based on your description of room, other band members not being extraordinarily loud, and you're having 850 clean watts to pump, I would not be sweatin bullets whatsoever wondering if you'll be loud enough. I think the other people in the band might be considering what they'll be hearing and then seeing where it's coming from vs. the size of the Eden you used to bring with you!!
I hope this helps?
Larry
I had to break down and purchase a SWR Bass Monitor. I do not know how it is going to work in conjunction with my Mini-12 and my 1212. I am eventually going to change the horn in it to the one that Jorge Uses. The last time I talked with him he said he could sell me just the horn or the woofer if I found the cabinet.
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And now that I think about it, the last time we played at this bar I was using my Peavey Nitrobass head run into the Eden cab(which is only 8 ohms) so it was only pushing around 200 watts into the cab.
I play a StingRay 5 and use a fair bit of stuff below 40Hz.slugworth said:
The Schroeder 410 is very tight, solid, & powerful in the low end and I use very little bass boost.
I put casters on my 410 and tend to leave them on. Have any of you noticed the difference without them on vs with? I also am going to see how turning the cabinet sideways effects the tone too...it seems that if both front firing speakers we on the bottom of the cabinet and the side firing ones were facing up, that might be an alternate way of using the cabinet when the room and stage area are boomy/echoey, so you not only hear yourself a little better but also reduce the boominess? maybe?
Regarding the casters, how much difference can there be between the four rubber feet having direct contact on the stage floor or the four wheels? I would think, again, I'm not sure on this one, that maybe, again if the room was boomyish, the casters staying on might lower it slightly if you're playing on a stage, but if you're right on the floor, I don't know if there would be much difference.
Again, just wondering what you guys with the 410 or 21012 might have tried if anything.
thanks
Lkaye
Regarding the casters, how much difference can there be between the four rubber feet having direct contact on the stage floor or the four wheels? I would think, again, I'm not sure on this one, that maybe, again if the room was boomyish, the casters staying on might lower it slightly if you're playing on a stage, but if you're right on the floor, I don't know if there would be much difference.
Again, just wondering what you guys with the 410 or 21012 might have tried if anything.
thanks
Lkaye
Larry Kaye said:
I've always found that the larger the cab, the less effect de-coupling from the floor has. In other words, if you have a small cab that is somewhat lacking in low end, de-coupling from the floor (either by keeping the wheels on or putting the cab on some sort of stand) can result in a very weak bass response out in the room. However, a large cab (410, etc.) that can project plenty of low end doesn't really suffer (and can actually benefit IMO) from getting it up a little bit and de-coupling by keeping the castors on. I never remove the castors from my 410UL... however, on very loud gigs in very dead sounding rooms, I found that removing the castors on the 310UL and coupling to the floor made quite a difference.
So... my guess is with your 410, you won't notice much difference with the castors on or off... and if you do notice a difference, it might be for the better.
I don't have experience with castors on my 410, but I had them on my Berg HT322 and used it four different ways: castors off, castors on, rear castors off, & castors on, but cab setting on a foot high metal milk crate (this was how I ended up using it the majority of the time -- my main reason was difficulty hearing the cab at close proximity at floor level -- no such problem with the Schroe 410).Larry Kaye said:
I tried the Schroe 410 on a milk crate the first gig I tried it out on and it sounded really good (took a bit more bass boost to get that powerful low end).
I suspect that playing it setting on castors will have a barely discernable effect (a lot less than putting it on its side or raising it up a foot off the stage).
Chef
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1210:
When using this for DB, I put the side-firing 10 pointed up for several reasons. It makes the rig smaller on stage. It gets one speaker pointed at me so I can hear a little better. It decuoples from the floor a little-DB is so inherently rich in low end I find that helpful. For eletric I go back to alid flat.
410: For DB, side-firing speakers pointed up at me (see above). Mostly, I just leave them sidefiring...Though with one of my "thinner" basses, I tried pointing the side-firing speakers down to make "a big folded horn out of the cab and stage."
This seemed to actually work reasonably well.
When using this for DB, I put the side-firing 10 pointed up for several reasons. It makes the rig smaller on stage. It gets one speaker pointed at me so I can hear a little better. It decuoples from the floor a little-DB is so inherently rich in low end I find that helpful. For eletric I go back to alid flat.
410: For DB, side-firing speakers pointed up at me (see above). Mostly, I just leave them sidefiring...Though with one of my "thinner" basses, I tried pointing the side-firing speakers down to make "a big folded horn out of the cab and stage."
This seemed to actually work reasonably well.
I suspect that you will LOVE IT!Lonnybass said:
As the owner of a 410 who is more blown away by it all the time,you will have the rig I was initially considereing getting for maximum flexibility-use both cabs for big gigs, and pick your favorite cab for "smaller " gigs.......but after I tried out a 1210 ,I can tell you this is-it's no"small" cab in sound. These cabs are so efficient, that I'll bet you are quite suprised at how loud the Schros are compared to your Acmes, at way lower volumes. And the cab literally come alive as you crank them up-not only do they get louder but the tone actually improves in a really mysterious 
but wonderful way. I'd love to hear YOUR comparison with the Acmes after you've had a chance to try them for a while -but be sure to crank 
them up-they're no toy! Enjoy! 
Happy Holidays to you and your families,everyone...
Hey LKaye-Merry Christmas...I've had my 410 elvated on a small 12" table...I do kind of like having it a little closer to my ears,though not sure its really neccessary-but I really loveLarry Kaye said:
hearing the sound of this cab. I have to turn the bass down on my Ibanez SR900 active bass or it's too "rumbly". Jorg recntly sent me my casters which I haven't put on yet. They are 1-peice casters,not removable...I haven't put them on yet because I was afraid I might hear some vibration or rattling from the casters if I still put the cab up on the table...at the same time I'd rather roll it accross the floor than carry it when transporting...What are your experiences,suggestions? 
lonotes
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DAcat said:Jorg recntly sent me my casters which I haven't put on yet. They are 1-peice casters,not removable...I haven't put them on yet because I was afraid I might hear some vibration or rattling from the casters if I still put the cab up on the table...at the same time I'd rather roll it accross the floor than carry it when transporting...What are your experiences,suggestions?
I went to Home Depot and bought a furniture dolly for $20. It's one of those flat platform type with the carpeted sections. The little rubber feet on the bottom of my 1210 fit just perfectly between the rails. Best of both worlds for me.
lonotes said:
I find that I have to bend over too much to push a very small cab like the 1210 when it's on wheels or a dolly (I use a small luggage cart). That's one of the reasons I like the Epi410UL so much. It's about the same weight as my 1210 (i.e., nice and light) but is tall enough that, with wheels on it, I can very easily set my amp head on top, strap my gig back on, and do a very easy 'in and out' of a gig. I assume Jorg's pending Neo410 will be similar.
You guys see a problem powering the 21012 cab with 1250 watts @ 4 ohms? It's just 50 watts over the rated 1200, but still....
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Chef
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No, shouldn't be a problem. I bridge ~1100 watts into my 1210 regularly, and it likes it.
Now, this is not to say I throw all 1100 watts at it-I've never had to turn my wt800b up very far, but it takes the punches that powerful passing transients create with no worries at all.
Now, this is not to say I throw all 1100 watts at it-I've never had to turn my wt800b up very far, but it takes the punches that powerful passing transients create with no worries at all.
Excellent! Thanks for the info. These cabs sound like the "stuff" to me, I hope to hear more about them.
Chef
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Nobassman20 said:
-I agree with Chef- I don't see a problem at all-I probably just wouldn't turn it up to 10 ,though....might want to send this ? to Jorg...- Status
