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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)
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Passinwind
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slinkp said:
Does that stack balance OK volume wise? I've tried my 1210 with 1 CxL-112, and that seemed well balanced in my living room. I still haven't tried it on a gig though.
Rockstar - it's 2 ohms total (8, 8, and 4 all in parallel).
The tiny amp up top is an AI Clarus and it does 300 watts at 2 ohms.
More than enough for my living room
Passinwind - I haven't gigged with *any* of this gear yet (well, one gig with a single CXL112 a long while ago). In one of those typical ironies of life, I started having enough money to buy gear right around the time I stopped playing live a lot. Soon, I hope.
The 1212 / CXL112 combination is really nice. I couldn't stop playing today cause it sounded better than any rig I've owned before. You can look at it like the Schroeder fills out and warms up the low end of the EA ... gives it a lot more oomph and vibe, much better than a pair of EAs.
Or you can look at it like the EA adds midrange articulation and aggression to the rather dark-sounding Schroeder.
Funny thing is, the 1212 plus one CXL-112 isn't much different from the 1212 plus two CXL-112s. I'm actually in touch with a talkbasser about selling one of the EAs cuz it seems really unnecessary now.
The tiny amp up top is an AI Clarus and it does 300 watts at 2 ohms.
More than enough for my living room
Passinwind - I haven't gigged with *any* of this gear yet (well, one gig with a single CXL112 a long while ago). In one of those typical ironies of life, I started having enough money to buy gear right around the time I stopped playing live a lot. Soon, I hope.
The 1212 / CXL112 combination is really nice. I couldn't stop playing today cause it sounded better than any rig I've owned before. You can look at it like the Schroeder fills out and warms up the low end of the EA ... gives it a lot more oomph and vibe, much better than a pair of EAs.
Or you can look at it like the EA adds midrange articulation and aggression to the rather dark-sounding Schroeder.
Funny thing is, the 1212 plus one CXL-112 isn't much different from the 1212 plus two CXL-112s. I'm actually in touch with a talkbasser about selling one of the EAs cuz it seems really unnecessary now.
i finally got to hear my rig from the audiences perspective last monday. wow! i knew it sounded good but damn, i had more fun listening to my rig than actually playing through it. my buddy who borrowed it for his set is very good. he used to tour with the isley brothers i think. anyway after their set he was just raving about the cab. and he's used all kinds of rigs, locally and on tour. more kudo's to jorg.
Passinwind
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slinkp said:
I think I know the TB'er in question pretty well (it's not me though).
Your observations are just what I expected. I can add that a 1210 and a CxL-112 powered by 800+ watts from an iAmp800 is very formidable indeed, both in tone and volume. I might just have to give it a whirl tonight at open mike.
Got my 1212 Tuesday night and got to rehearse with it last night.
When I first fired the 1212 up in the room without other musicians, my reaction was mild disappointment. It sounded OK, but I was expecting magic and I wasn't hearing it. Compared to what it's replacing (Hartke 115XL plus Bag End S15) it was unmistakably tighter and "faster" (12's vs. 15's). The upper mids seemed pretty similar (the Bag End has very forward, hi-fi upper mids for a 15), and of course tweaking the horn pot got me some nice varieties of flavor in the top end. (BTW, the horn is absolutely as advertised--wonderfully smooth. I will rarely use it above about 2 or 3 on a scale of 10, but it sounds musical even at much higher levels.)
What I didn't like on first hearing about the 1212 was the bottom end. Compared to my 15's, it seemed a bit too focused, without the rumble and "bloom" I was used to.
Then last night I plugged in with the band and went to work, and my brain was completely turned around. The 1212 in context is absolutely awesome. That rumble, though it's fun in itself, is useless mud in a band situation; without it, what I end up with is the tight, beefy low end of my dreams. I can play lines on the E-string and have them heard! The whole range of the instrument has become clearer and more consistent. (The flip side, of course, is that it's much easier to hear my mistakes than it used to be, because they're not disappearing into the ooze.)
I was finding that the 1212 even makes it easier to play, because I don't have to compensate technically for the sluggish low-end attack envelope of those 15's. I play the note, the note sounds, on to the next one.
All night I noticed my drummer nodding his head and smiling; at the end of the rehearsal he said that he's never heard me so well before, and it makes his job a lot easier.
It's a versatile cab, too. This is your basic wedding band, so we do everything from swing tunes to Motown to pop-metal. I found that the 1212 maintained a pretty consistent overall sound and response regardless of which pickup I was using, whether I was playing with fingers or pick, or how hard I dug in. (Not that it sounded exactly the same...of course the sound changed in response to all those changes of approach, but it sounded like the same instrument being played differently, not like something wholly other, which has sometimes been the case with those 15's.)
So, in two days, I've gone from "hmmm...." to an ear-to-ear grin. I get to gig with it on Saturday. Hopefully I'll be grinning even harder Sunday morning.
When I first fired the 1212 up in the room without other musicians, my reaction was mild disappointment. It sounded OK, but I was expecting magic and I wasn't hearing it. Compared to what it's replacing (Hartke 115XL plus Bag End S15) it was unmistakably tighter and "faster" (12's vs. 15's). The upper mids seemed pretty similar (the Bag End has very forward, hi-fi upper mids for a 15), and of course tweaking the horn pot got me some nice varieties of flavor in the top end. (BTW, the horn is absolutely as advertised--wonderfully smooth. I will rarely use it above about 2 or 3 on a scale of 10, but it sounds musical even at much higher levels.)
What I didn't like on first hearing about the 1212 was the bottom end. Compared to my 15's, it seemed a bit too focused, without the rumble and "bloom" I was used to.
Then last night I plugged in with the band and went to work, and my brain was completely turned around. The 1212 in context is absolutely awesome. That rumble, though it's fun in itself, is useless mud in a band situation; without it, what I end up with is the tight, beefy low end of my dreams. I can play lines on the E-string and have them heard! The whole range of the instrument has become clearer and more consistent. (The flip side, of course, is that it's much easier to hear my mistakes than it used to be, because they're not disappearing into the ooze.)
I was finding that the 1212 even makes it easier to play, because I don't have to compensate technically for the sluggish low-end attack envelope of those 15's. I play the note, the note sounds, on to the next one.
All night I noticed my drummer nodding his head and smiling; at the end of the rehearsal he said that he's never heard me so well before, and it makes his job a lot easier.
It's a versatile cab, too. This is your basic wedding band, so we do everything from swing tunes to Motown to pop-metal. I found that the 1212 maintained a pretty consistent overall sound and response regardless of which pickup I was using, whether I was playing with fingers or pick, or how hard I dug in. (Not that it sounded exactly the same...of course the sound changed in response to all those changes of approach, but it sounded like the same instrument being played differently, not like something wholly other, which has sometimes been the case with those 15's.)
So, in two days, I've gone from "hmmm...." to an ear-to-ear grin. I get to gig with it on Saturday. Hopefully I'll be grinning even harder Sunday morning.
I set up (looking at the stage) on the left side. The angled speaker is fireing toward the middle of the stage at all the other guys in the band. My 21012 and 1210 sound great cutting across the stage. For the guys that set up on the other side, with the angled speaker fireing to the side of the stage, do your bandmates get the same benefit of cutting through like it does on the other side? May not be any difference. I'm sure it would be a nightmare to ship correctly but I've wondered if it would make sense to have a left hand and a right hand cabinet to choose from. I know you could just turn the cabinet upside down but some stages are just too funky to put anything other than the feet on the floor.
I had almost ordered my 1212 reversed!
I may flip the grill and feet on my 1210 (first run and the tweeter is centered instead of on top).
I may flip the grill and feet on my 1210 (first run and the tweeter is centered instead of on top).
I've been enjoying mine with the angled baffle angled up lately.
I adjust the bass controls to taste...sweet!
[I do wish the tweeter had a square horn on it so the horizontal dispersion would be the same either way.]
I adjust the bass controls to taste...sweet!
[I do wish the tweeter had a square horn on it so the horizontal dispersion would be the same either way.]
I got tons of compliments on my sound from friends, fans, musicians, and the sound guy last night!
I heard my self so well I was scared everyone else was drowned out but that wasnt the case at all, it was just perfect.
I heard my self so well I was scared everyone else was drowned out but that wasnt the case at all, it was just perfect.
these things look really cool. but can 2 speakers (1210) seriously handle 850 watts? I mean if i took an 800 watt head and blasted it i'm sure it would tear 2 speakers apart right? What size of head could these guys really run at full power with? 2-400?
I know it would of been asked in this thread before... But I don't have the time to look through the whole thing (I'm trying).
My question is, i've been getting a bit of Schroeder G.A.S again. My situation is that I want something with big thumpy low end for the old school 70's vibe. But I also want something tight.
Now, what i'd also like, is ALOT of growl at times. I mean tones like Martinie (Mudvayne), uses a warwick through an SVT/810 style setup.. Timmy C (RATM), uses Jazz's through an SVT/810 style setup and Chancellor (Tool), uses Demeter/Mesa setup.
All these guys (Especially martinie) get awesome growl and grind. My amp choices have been narrowed down to a Sunn 300T or Aguilar 500.
Using either of these amps, could a schroeder cab get the growl i'm looking for? I'm thinking maybe a 410+212 setup or something.. Other cabs i've been looking at are Aggy's..
What do you guys who have used Schroeders think? I'l be getting a warwick 'vette or thumb in the future and I want some nasty growl, also the fat thumpy bass, anyone gotten anything like this from Schroeders?
By the way, if you wanna check out the band music (70's sort of style stuff) check the link in my sig.
My question is, i've been getting a bit of Schroeder G.A.S again. My situation is that I want something with big thumpy low end for the old school 70's vibe. But I also want something tight.
Now, what i'd also like, is ALOT of growl at times. I mean tones like Martinie (Mudvayne), uses a warwick through an SVT/810 style setup.. Timmy C (RATM), uses Jazz's through an SVT/810 style setup and Chancellor (Tool), uses Demeter/Mesa setup.
All these guys (Especially martinie) get awesome growl and grind. My amp choices have been narrowed down to a Sunn 300T or Aguilar 500.
Using either of these amps, could a schroeder cab get the growl i'm looking for? I'm thinking maybe a 410+212 setup or something.. Other cabs i've been looking at are Aggy's..
What do you guys who have used Schroeders think? I'l be getting a warwick 'vette or thumb in the future and I want some nasty growl, also the fat thumpy bass, anyone gotten anything like this from Schroeders?
By the way, if you wanna check out the band music (70's sort of style stuff) check the link in my sig.
Sorry, I don't have any experience with the Aggy 500, but the Sunn might just be the ticket you're looking for. I have a Schoeder 1210 and I wouldn't characterize it as an "old school" sounding cabinet. With a little EQ magic (rolling off the highs, boosting the lows and mids) I've been able to get a fair approximation (keep in mind my head is a GK 1001RB-II... Not exactly the ideal head for old school).popinfresh said:
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Correct me if I'm wrong here. Speakers and speaker cabinets pretty much reproduce the signal being sent to it. If you want growl, clean, distorted,bottom, mud, wrong notes right notes ......etc you have to send it from the guitar through the amp then to the speakers. I have two Schroeder's (21012, 1210). what I send them is what comes out. What comes out is being heard by everyone in the club and on stage cause thats the way Jorg designed them. OK I'm done.
jbplayer said:
Not sure what your point is.... are you saying that cabinets are
relatively interchangeable? I have to disagree if so.
Speakers are likely to be the least linear part of the entire signal chain by a pretty wide margin (aside from effects and overdriven amps... and not counting the room itself). That goes for everything from cheapo guitar cabs to $2000 studio monitors. Bass cabs are no exception.
Sure, some are closer to flat than others (accugroove, EA...).
My guess (based only on my ears) is that Schroeders aren't especially flat compared to those; regardless of which they are very practical and pleasant-sounding for bass.
I'm not saying all speaker cabinets are the same. Some speakers reproduce the signal sent to them better than others, thats why I like my Schroeders. What I'm saying is IMO, getting clean, low bottom, growl ......etc has to start with the player first, guitar second, amp third and the cabinet should reproduce what it's sent to it. The question was asked it the Schroeders will give more growl. The cabinet will only give the sound it is sent. Again that's what I like about the Schroeders. Everyone in the room gets to hear( and feel) the sound I want them to hear. After reading my other post I guess it wasnt to clear. 
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