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[Nobis17]

@rsmith601 From everything I've heard this sounds like an awesome pedal and I can't wait to get my hands on one in the future. But I wanted to ask, what are the major differences between the C4 and the Spectrum? I'm currently playing in a 70's funk/groove style jam band. I'm currently playing through a zoom g5n, so I know either of these pedals would be a huge improvement, but I wondering if I *need* (yes, I definitely want) both pedals?

 

[estimated_eyes]

@rsmith601 From everything I've heard this sounds like an awesome pedal and I can't wait to get my hands on one in the future. But I wanted to ask, what are the major differences between the C4 and the Spectrum? I'm currently playing in a 70's funk/groove style jam band. I'm currently playing through a zoom g5n, so I know either of these pedals would be a huge improvement, but I wondering if I *need* (yes, I definitely want) both pedals?

My understanding is that the C4 can do everything the Spectrum can, plus more.

 

[Nobis17]

My understanding is that the C4 can do everything the Spectrum can, plus more.

Where in my confusion lies is in the neuro app, the Spectrum has a editable octave section that the C4 does not, however, in the factory and community patches, there are octave patches usable on the C4....

 

[rsmith601]

The Spectrum is set up out of the box to be an envelope filter pedal with knobs that have labels that are clear and easy. It is purple. Those are the only things that Spectrum can do that the C4 cannot. All the octave stuff is in the C4.

 

[Nobis17]

It is purple. Those are the only things that Spectrum can do that the C4 cannot.

This was the information I was really looking for

Honestly though, this really helps me out. Thanks a ton!

 

[Gibs210]

Thank you for replying! So, it seems like the dual expression pedal will not bring any benefit with C4 over a regular expresion pedal?

Hopefully someone replies on the fretless question as well.

the main thing here, is that in order for a regular expression pedal to work properly, you’ll need to flip the tip and ring connections. Whereas the dual expression pedal will work out of the box with the TRRS cable that’s included.

Here’s a video showing how to set a third party expression pedal up:

 

[RudyTardy]

I got the SA Dual Expression for plug and play ability with the C4, and also, to simultaneously control the Fulltone Mini Deja Vibe I am about to pick up

 

[BurningSkies]

the main thing here, is that in order for a regular expression pedal to work properly, you’ll need to flip the tip and ring connections. Whereas the dual expression pedal will work out of the box with the TRRS cable that’s included.

Here’s a video showing how to set a third party expression pedal up:

I've been using a standard TRS with my expression to hub...is that wrong?

 

[Gibs210]

I've been using a standard TRS with my expression to hub...is that wrong?

It’s just when connecting straight to the pedal, the trs jack on the hub and on the 2 button one series pedals are wired to the standard style.

 

[Proton Lenny]

So I want to make sure I'm not missing something very obvious. With the polyphonic pitch trackers, is there a way to avoid the sort of rhythmic delay sound that they have. Especially the octave up. It has this almost beat to it, rather than sounding like a more 'traditional' octave sound on something like the Eventide H9 and EHX Hog.

 

[eaglemachine]

I'm sure I'm not the only one to say that I'll definitely look forward to your demo of it! I'm a little surprised you just got one! ha ha I've been having a ton of fun programming both personal and cover band presets, so I'll be interested to see what you do with it, and I'll enjoy checking out any patches you post to the Neuro Community.

Here's a personal challenge to you sir, since you're an effects savant... The Take On Me bass sound! I've been working on a patch for quite a while now and I think it's close (as close as it's going to actually get to the original Yamaha DX7 Preset #15 anyway), but I'd be really interested to see what you come up with for it.

5sg.

I would be interested in a DX7 patch too!

 

[fivestringgecko]

I would be interested in a DX7 patch too!

Having gone down the rabbit hole on the Take On Me patch and researching, it seems that FM synth can be tricky to recreate, but the DX7 patch they used for the original seems to be notoriously difficult to match.

5sg.

 

[Proton Lenny]

Having gone down the rabbit hole on the Take On Me patch and researching, it seems that FM synth can be tricky to recreate, but the DX7 patch they used for the original seems to be notoriously difficult to match.

5sg.

Especially with only 2 operators!

 

[Gibs210]

So I want to make sure I'm not missing something very obvious. With the polyphonic pitch trackers, is there a way to avoid the sort of rhythmic delay sound that they have. Especially the octave up. It has this almost beat to it, rather than sounding like a more 'traditional' octave sound on something like the Eventide H9 and EHX Hog.

The poly functions on the c4 are more of a nice to have, than a primary feature, the processors types required to get polyphonic pitch shifting like on the POG/hog are not present in c4, while it tracks polyphonically, it does create a slight tremolo type effect when doing so, and isn’t as fast as the POG/hog. C4 was built to be a high powered mono synth, with a little polyphonic capability, when used as a synth, the poly performs well, and adds depth to the possible sounds available. As a stand alone poly octave pedal, it’s not as great.

 

[Proton Lenny]

The poly functions on the c4 are more of a nice to have, than a primary feature, the processors types required to get polyphonic pitch shifting like on the POG/hog are not present in c4, while it tracks polyphonically, it does create a slight tremolo type effect when doing so, and isn’t as fast as the POG/hog. C4 was built to be a high powered mono synth, with a little polyphonic capability, when used as a synth, the poly performs well, and adds depth to the possible sounds available. As a stand alone poly octave pedal, it’s not as great.

This was kind of what I figured. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

 

[Chace90]

To be clear, the C4 isn't polyphonic in the sense that you can't really play 2 or more notes/pitches simultaneously (i.e. chords, double stops, etc) and have it track cleanly. Pedals like the POG, HOG, Sub N Up, etc. can track multiple notes at once and reproduce those based on how you have those pedals set.

The C4's synth/octave 4 voices can be set for different intervals. So it can create a polyphonic sound, but only from one input pitch.

Reading through what I just wrote, I don't know that it's any clearer. But hopefully that helps someone?

The point is, don't buy a C4 or Spectrum thinking you're getting a polyphonic octave pedal. As @Gibs210 just said a couple posts back. Cause that just isn't what it is or does. Not to say they can't fake those sounds, but it's just not functionally the same at all.

Not speaking directly to anyone in particular, or to you @Proton Lenny. I know this isn't news to your brilliant effects mind!

 

[Diegombass]

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C4 vs Microtron IV - which is which?

First C4?

 

[Quatschmacher]

First C4?

Actually it’s the other way around.

 

[Diegombass]

I thought the digital way was to go as close to the envelope as posible, but it is exactly the other way... I've never played through an analog envelope

 

[Diegombass]

Anybody with a Moog mf-101 tried to emulate it on the C4? Not just the tone, but also the envelope? Im still waiting to get mine and quite curious if it could replicate this unique and iconic filter.

Have you achieve this goal?