Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[GMC]

Im about to go from 5 to 6 SA pedals with an ultra wave.

It's not a competition here...but your winning. With the Ultrawave, I'm up to 5.

Did I read somewhere that the ultra wave was too complex to save everything needed in a hub when saving a scene? What’s the real story here?

I don't know the reasons, but there's a lot of settings on the Ultrawave. So at a guess, I'd say there's probably not a lot of room on the Neuro Hub to track it all. So the current approach with the Ultrawave and Neuro Hub looks quite smart. It uses the Ultrawaves internal patch memory to hold the settings and just has the top tier master controls on display. To be fair, that's probably all we need going forwards. My C4 doesn't have any bespoke scenes. I use the Neuro Hub as a Source Audio Midi interface / midi relay.

 

[rsmith601]

Im about to go from 5 to 6 SA pedals with an ultra wave. Did I read somewhere that the ultra wave was too complex to save everything needed in a hub when saving a scene? What’s the real story here?

As @GMC said, the Hub will be saving a preset location of the Ultrawave to a scene rather than all the low level parameters. For most people this should work fine.

 

[Farrin D]

Hey all, does anyone know when the Ultrawave update will hit the mobile apps stores (I’m technically non work computer-less for about two months blah).

 

[rsmith601]

Hey all, does anyone know when the Ultrawave update will hit the mobile apps stores (I’m technically non work computer-less for about two months blah).

iOS should be out now. Not sure what is holding things up. As far as I know, it is finished.
Android was on hold until iOS was finished. My guess is early next week.

 

[Farrin D]

I’ll check the App Store again! Thanks @rsmith601!

 

[Farrin D]

Hmm one quick thing I noticed @rsmith601, since I have the guitar version, I can’t seem to burn the bass presets to my pedal with the iOS app. The guitar presets from the iOS app burn/send just fine, but when I try with bass version presets I get nothing.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Hmm one quick thing I noticed @rsmith601, since I have the guitar version, I can’t seem to burn the bass presets to my pedal with the iOS app. The guitar presets from the iOS app burn/send just fine, but when I try with bass version presets I get nothing.

Out of interest, what happens if you try this from within the bass version? I mean, when opening the iOS app, click the large bass version icon first.

 

[Farrin D]

Out of interest, what happens if you try this from within the bass version? I mean, when opening the iOS app, click the large bass version icon first.

Same result for me, that was actually my first attempt haha. Then I decided to click the guitar icon and none of the bass presets show up in the community list or the factory presets.

 

[AlvarHanso]

Same result for me, that was actually my first attempt haha. Then I decided to click the guitar icon and none of the bass presets show up in the community list or the factory presets.

Did you toggle the "compatible" box as well? That should bring up Bass and Guitar presets at least. I have a Beta unit, and use the desktop editor, and haven't had any issues saving any presets. I also rarely use the burn button, and more often click on the preset, play with it for a moment, and if I like it, then do the Save As route, rather than the burn button. I can't recall why I use Save As more than the burn button, but I'm thinking it was a functionality thing from the C4 at some point that I just started doing it that way. And hopefully that toggle on "compatible" is available in the phone app, but that should atbleast bring up the bass presets.

 

[GMC]

I've been using the link/2 channel switch to create a clean compressed sound on channel 2 and creating a new effect on channel 1. It seems to work fairly well and consistently when doing it that way. Haven't tried two out there effects on opposing channels yet.

I'm assuming in doing it this way, that morphing on Channel 1 does not morph between Ch 1 and Ch 2, but morphs between 2 differing distortions on Ch 1. Just want to make sure on that, though.

Morphing is per channel. So a single preset can have two completely different morphable sounds, one on channel 1 and another on channel 2. This is almost the pedal equivalent of vector synthesis.

While I love the morphing options, i' finding that is far more permissive and creative. Using the Balance control in "mono > Stereo > mono" mode will allow you to blend between Ch1 sounds and Ch 2 sounds. This is more powerful and flexible than morphing in a single Channel. Blending / balancing allows bending of different Band split types, different master controls, different compression settings and different tremolo settings. In fact it's the blend between 2 complete Ultrawave Channel interfaces. Where as "regular" morphing allows the blending / morphing between distortion types, level controls and EQ's. All the other settings (compression, master controls, Band Splits, LFO, envelope and Trem options are Channel set, so they can't be morphed.
If I want to morph a band split, then I have to channel balance. If I want to morph compression then I also have to use channel balance unless I want to get creative with the 3 assignable expression pedal functions. I've used this approach on my first Mastotron patch. GMC - Mastortron - Gated Fuzz (I). My II & III attempts use morphing and expression compression.
Morphing is great and very powerful. However, Channel balance blending is even more powerful.
As I said over on the Ultrawave thread...I've created a patch that has Morphing and Blending and it allows moving around 4 completely different fuzzes using 2 remapped knobs and an expression pedal that performs the balance. This is patch, I belive is the first of it's type and offers a potential template for a LOT of different ways to control patches. Dirt, compression, band splits, trem...4 very different sounds all mixable, fully wet through to fully dry. My uploaded community patch is called GMC Blender 4 Fuzz btw. Please try it, take it, change it and evolve it...if it works for you, like it too.

 

[Gibs210]

While I love the morphing options, i' finding that is far more permissive and creative. Using the Balance control in "mono > Stereo > mono" mode will allow you to blend between Ch1 sounds and Ch 2 sounds. This is more powerful and flexible than morphing in a single Channel. Blending / balancing allows bending of different Band split types, different master controls, different compression settings and different tremolo settings. In fact it's the blend between 2 complete Ultrawave Channel interfaces. Where as "regular" morphing allows the blending / morphing between distortion types, level controls and EQ's. All the other settings (compression, master controls, Band Splits, LFO, envelope and Trem options are Channel set, so they can't be morphed.
If I want to morph a band split, then I have to channel balance. If I want to morph compression then I also have to use channel balance unless I want to get creative with the 3 assignable expression pedal functions. I've used this approach on my first Mastotron patch. GMC - Mastortron - Gated Fuzz (I). My II & III attempts use morphing and expression compression.
Morphing is great and very powerful. However, Channel balance blending is even more powerful.
As I said over on the Ultrawave thread...I've created a patch that has Morphing and Blending and it allows moving around 4 completely different fuzzes using 2 remapped knobs and an expression pedal that performs the balance. This is patch, I belive is the first of it's type and offers a potential template for a LOT of different ways to control patches. Dirt, compression, band splits, trem...4 very different sounds all mixable, fully wet through to fully dry. My uploaded community patch is called GMC Blender 4 Fuzz btw. Please try it, take it, change it and evolve it...if it works for you, like it too.

Would love to see you make a template for this 2 channel morphing and upload it on the cloud, we could probably make it a factory preset so that everyone could easily access this to try to make their own.

 

[Farrin D]

Did you toggle the "compatible" box as well? That should bring up Bass and Guitar presets at least. I have a Beta unit, and use the desktop editor, and haven't had any issues saving any presets. I also rarely use the burn button, and more often click on the preset, play with it for a moment, and if I like it, then do the Save As route, rather than the burn button. I can't recall why I use Save As more than the burn button, but I'm thinking it was a functionality thing from the C4 at some point that I just started doing it that way. And hopefully that toggle on "compatible" is available in the phone app, but that should atbleast bring up the bass presets.

Unfortunately it looks like it’s already selected and still no bass presets. Normally I just click and play as well instead of burning but it looks like neither option is working. Also my newly created preset doesn’t seem to be recalling either after I saved it. I’ll have to try again later tonight. Hopefully I can get my computer out of storage soon so I can play with it there haha.

 

[Gibs210]

Hmm one quick thing I noticed @rsmith601, since I have the guitar version, I can’t seem to burn the bass presets to my pedal with the iOS app. The guitar presets from the iOS app burn/send just fine, but when I try with bass version presets I get nothing.

If your using the mobile editor, the two pedal versions should have their own specific ID, so having the bass version and clicking on the guitar icon means that the pedal won’t respond to the app messages. I definitely see that the presets are not available across both versions. That should not be the case, we will look into this.

 

[Farrin D]

If your using the mobile editor, the two pedal versions should have their own specific ID, so having the bass version and clicking on the guitar icon means that the pedal won’t respond to the app messages. I definitely see that the presets are not available across both versions. That should not be the case, we will look into this.

Ah perfect! Thanks so much!!

 

[AlvarHanso]

Unfortunately it looks like it’s already selected and still no bass presets. Normally I just click and play as well instead of burning but it looks like neither option is working. Also my newly created preset doesn’t seem to be recalling either after I saved it. I’ll have to try again later tonight. Hopefully I can get my computer out of storage soon so I can play with it there haha.

Well, that's a bummer. Luckily, they're on the stick on a Saturday trying to figure it out. Hope you can get that preset saving problem fixed, too, so you don't have to screenshot your settings or something...

Looking forward to finally getting back to it, and with the manual and videos helping get my head around some of the things I hadn't realized were possible, such as what @GMC was describing, should be fun.

 

[Farrin D]

Well, that's a bummer. Luckily, they're on the stick on a Saturday trying to figure it out. Hope you can get that preset saving problem fixed, too, so you don't have to screenshot your settings or something...

Looking forward to finally getting back to it, and with the manual and videos helping get my head around some of the things I hadn't realized were possible, such as what @GMC was describing, should be fun.

Update, my presets not reloading was a user error on my part haha. So I’m glad that’s figured out!

Now just patiently waiting on those bass presets to be visible on the guitar pedal

 

[LowWay]

As @GMC said, the Hub will be saving a preset location of the Ultrawave to a scene rather than all the low level parameters. For most people this should work fine.

this is more than fine for me. In fact it’s probably preferred.

 

[Killing Floor]

Hey, Mr. Source, do I need a Soleman? I have 4 SA devices and a Neuro Hub and another simple midi switcher. Would my life be more full? Would it be easier? And my current switch doesn’t have full text so there’s that. Is it what I need to clean up my board?

 

[Gibs210]

Hey, Mr. Source, do I need a Soleman? I have 4 SA devices and a Neuro Hub and another simple midi switcher. Would my life be more full? Would it be easier? And my current switch doesn’t have full text so there’s that. Is it what I need to clean up my board?

Depends on what your trying to do. If your wanting to scroll through hub scenes and have a full display, that will work, but it can do quite a bit more. That more may or may not be beneficial for you depending on your needs.

 

[Killing Floor]

I’ve gotten to a pile of patches for C4, Collider, Gemini and EQ2. I use a Disaster Area switch to the Neuro Hub to manage as I rotate the midi stuff between guitars and basses. So different amps, etc. I’m hoping the SA switch will simplify my device grouping and give me back more control options than I get from the Disaster Area. Plus I’m not loving the DA. And I know I can spend a lot more than the Soleman costs for what I need. Right?