Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[GMC]

I'm loving my new Collider. I picked up what I think was the last new copy available in the uk. I'm wondering why didn't I get one of these sooner! It's fantastic and very easy to use. Flick left for delay controls, flick right for verbs...very easy. I'm loving the fact that It can also do some dual delays or dual reverbs...that's sweet!
I'm already familiar with the Nemesis, so the delays on this a pretty much what I know and use already. Call outs of the Analog delay, probably the best sounding digital re-creation of an analogue bucket Brigade (dare I say Moog) delay that I've heard. The reverse is great too, plus the tape. On the reverb side, I'm blown away by their quality and sound...exactly what I was looking for. The Hall is pretty toe to toe with my fan boy fav Hall reverb on my Eventide H9. So that's high praise indeed. The other surprise to me is how good the Shimmer verb is, with a bit of tweaking, I get it to pretty much nail my fav H9 Crystals patch...again...this is seriously high end stuff!

I tried various colour knobs and I found the Silver & Black combo the best looking. I ever found some green ones...which really didn't work!

 

[tonym]

The other surprise to me is how good the Shimmer verb is, with a bit of tweaking, I get it to pretty much nail my fav H9 Crystals patch..."
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I'd love it if you posted that on the Source Audio site! And thank you for all of the amazing presets you've already posted there!

 

[GMC]

I'd love it if you posted that on the Source Audio site! And thank you for all of the amazing presets you've already posted there!

Funnily enough I'm in the process of wring a piece for Their Artist of the month. You've given me an idea of where I could go with the article! A while back I created a series of patches that combine to make GMC PAD 1. It was in response to this post here: source audio c4. Previously I used a Crystals patch on my Eventide H9. I've just uploaded a Collider version using the Analog Delay (I love this engine) and a Parallel Shimmer Reverb. Use the Reverb's Control 1 to dial in the shimmer effect (on top of the verb).
So everything on this clip is created using 4 Source Audio pedals. The heart of it is the C4's PAD patch, Into my Ultrawave (overdrive patch) for just on epic soundscape. Then into a Lunar (using a Chorus patch). For here it's into my Collider. You can get a lot of mileage with just the C4 and Collider.
In the clip, I start with my dry bass, then I add the C4 PAD. This is filtered, use an expression to dial in / out the low pass filter. I like it quite mellow and dark. I then use a Lunar Patch to add some stereo pan Juno-esque chorus tones. Then I kick on the Analog Delay on my Collider. I just love how this decays with the modulation. Then on comes the Shimmer Verb. this is shimmerless initially, a great sound all by it's self. But we want the Shimmer! So dial in the Shimmer using the Collider's Control 1 knob. Then for one note, I hit my Ultrawave for a massive Epic soundscape bass hit...that sound a bit like the bomb that comes out of Bobba Fetts space ship...Then I play slow and turn off the reverb so you can head those lovely modulated analog delays. Just listen to that lushness in the fade. Then to close I turn on the shimmerless verb again for one last time and let it fade. This Collider sounds very nice indeed!
So, Collider Patch is published: GMC - PAD 1 by GazzaJagman, also look up the matching Lunar, C4 and Ultrwave patch of the same name.
Here's the Sound Cloud link:

 

[tonym]

Funnily enough I'm in the process of wring a piece for Their Artist of the month. You've given me an idea of where I could go with the article! A while back I created a series of patches that combine to make GMC PAD 1. It was in response to this post here: source audio c4. Previously I used a Crystals patch on my Eventide H9. I've just uploaded a Collider version using the Analog Delay (I love this engine) and a Parallel Shimmer Reverb. Use the Reverb's Control 1 to dial in the shimmer effect (on top of the verb).
So everything on this clip is created using 4 Source Audio pedals. The heart of it is the C4's PAD patch, Into my Ultrawave (overdrive patch) for just on epic soundscape. Then into a Lunar (using a Chorus patch). For here it's into my Collider. You can get a lot of mileage with just the C4 and Collider.
In the clip, I start with my dry bass, then I add the C4 PAD. This is filtered, use an expression to dial in / out the low pass filter. I like it quite mellow and dark. I then use a Lunar Patch to add some stereo pan Juno-esque chorus tones. Then I kick on the Analog Delay on my Collider. I just love how this decays with the modulation. Then on comes the Shimmer Verb. this is shimmerless initially, a great sound all by it's self. But we want the Shimmer! So dial in the Shimmer using the Collider's Control 1 knob. Then for one note, I hit my Ultrawave for a massive Epic soundscape bass hit...that sound a bit like the bomb that comes out of Bobba Fetts space ship...Then I play slow and turn off the reverb so you can head those lovely modulated analog delays. Just listen to that lushness in the fade. Then to close I turn on the shimmerless verb again for one last time and let it fade. This Collider sounds very nice indeed!
So, Collider Patch is published: GMC - PAD 1 by GazzaJagman, also look up the matching Lunar, C4 and Ultrwave patch of the same name.
Here's the Sound Cloud link:

Thank you so much. I was blown away by the sound when the Analog Delay came in the first time. And the Shimmer is just amazing! Looking forward to your Artist of the Month article!

 

[4Mal]

For those of ypu running a midi controller into a DAD microGhost and have multple SA pedals... Do you wire Ghost to a USB Hub and there to the individual pedals ? If so, is your hub powered ? Is there some better way to do this ?

My setup is a Morningstar MC-6, the Ghost hopefully serving an Atlas and Spectrum. DIN Midi to a Future Impact.

Thanks!

 

[Gibs210]

For those of ypu running a midi controller into a DAD microGhost and have multple SA pedals... Do you wire Ghost to a USB Hub and there to the individual pedals ? If so, is your hub powered ? Is there some better way to do this ?

My setup is a Morningstar MC-6, the Ghost hopefully serving an Atlas and Spectrum. DIN Midi to a Future Impact.

Thanks!

No, you need multiple hosts, one for each pedal if doing that method. Or just get the neuro hub.

 

[geobassix]

Dear TBer, I would like to get your advice on the following:

I have always used the simple 1spot power supply rated 1700mA with daisy cable to power all my pedals (including SA pedals) without any problem.

Recently, I was lucky enough to acquire the SA EQ2 and set up a new mini board with only Atlas, C4 and EQ2.

However with that setup I am getting a discernable hum or static noise.
Removing the EQ2 from the chain remove that static noise.
Replacing the EQ2 with Polytune also remove that static noise.
Using the EQ2 alone with the 1spot does not produce that static noise

The EQ2 power requirement is actually very similar to both the Atlas and C4.
So I can't understand why the SA EQ2 create that noise when coupled with the Atlas and the C4.
Can someone please explain and maybe suggest to me a resolution ?

 

[Derek Williams]

Dear TBer, I would like to get your advice on the following:

I have always used the simple 1spot power supply rated 1700mA with daisy cable to power all my pedals (including SA pedals) without any problem.
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Recently, I was lucky enough to acquire the SA EQ2 and set up a new mini board with only Atlas, C4 and EQ2.
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However with that setup I am getting a discernable hum or static noise.
Removing the EQ2 from the chain remove that static noise.
Replacing the EQ2 with Polytune also remove that static noise.
Using the EQ2 alone with the 1spot does not produce that static noise

The EQ2 power requirement is actually very similar to both the Atlas and C4.
So I can't understand why the SA EQ2 create that noise when coupled with the Atlas and the C4.
Can someone please explain and maybe suggest to me a resolution ?

Digital pedals put much more noise back into the power supply. As far as I know, the only solution is isolated power.

 

[geobassix]

Thanks for your reply, I was hoping to avoid investing in isolated power for a bare 3 pedals board.
Taken that C4 and Atlas behave well in 1spot daisy chain setup I was (probably wrongly) assuming the same with EQ2 ....

 

[Billyears IV]

I wouldn't assume that an isolated power supply will necessarily eliminate unwanted noise. It might well help but won't entirely eradicate it.

I have an isolated power block and just the one SA pedal - an Ultrawave bass. I find certain combinations of using the built in comp & EQ generate a lot of hiss (aside from using distortion/gain controls, which might be expected).

I love the pedal but tend to use settings sparingly, to avoid noise.

 

[NPappas]

it is not a great idea to daisy chain high-current, digital pedals. Yes, noise can be introduced, our pedals and many others prefer isolated power. In my opinion that's where the solution lies.

 

[geobassix]

Dear all, thank you for your replies, I think I have now found the culprit...

Long story:
This is how I proceeded after swapping in and out and combining the 3 SA pedals without any success.
Actually the noise was there as soon as I had at least 2 SA pedals together.
I then tried my 4 analog pedals board and though it was much quieter, I could still hear some hum that I hadn't paid attention to before. I then removed all pedals and just had the jack in the amp and touched the tip of the one spot and surprisingly even then the hum was there as soon as I touched the one spot !!!
That led me to unplug the one spot from the power strip it was sharing with the amp and plug it somewhere else and voila, the noise was significantly reduced. Connecting back the SA board together I can still hear some low hum, probably due to the fact that I am not not using an isolated power supply, however it is now at a volume completely acceptable to me.

Short story:
It has nothing to do with the SA EQ2 pedal or any of my SA pedals but rather with the fact that I was using the same power strip for the amp and the 1spot.

 

[Derek Williams]

Dear all, thank you for your replies, I think I have now found the culprit...

Long story:
This is how I proceeded after swapping in and out and combining the 3 SA pedals without any success.
Actually the noise was there as soon as I had at least 2 SA pedals together.
I then tried my 4 analog pedals board and though it was much quieter, I could still hear some hum that I hadn't paid attention to before. I then removed all pedals and just had the jack in the amp and touched the tip of the one spot and surprisingly even then the hum was there as soon as I touched the one spot !!!
That led me to unplug the one spot from the power strip it was sharing with the amp and plug it somewhere else and voila, the noise was significantly reduced. Connecting back the SA board together I can still hear some low hum, probably due to the fact that I am not not using an isolated power supply, however it is now at a volume completely acceptable to me.

Short story:
It has nothing to do with the SA EQ2 pedal or any of my SA pedals but rather with the fact that I was using the same power strip for the amp and the 1spot.

The importance of good troubleshooting: None of the findings in your original post match what you found with further testing Glad you got it resolved.

 

[geobassix]

Thanks me too, it wasn't obvious (for me) and I didn't jump into hasty conclusion. Also glad that I still don't need to invest into isolated power brick, though I believe in its value, I find it overkill for just a couple of pedals.
Again thanks to all.

 

[MattFoes]

I've also recorded a Souncloud wav to demonstrate:

I start dialling in my basic RAT and gated rat using my front pick up on my bass, played fingerstyle. So that's up to about 16 secs. About 24 secs I turn on an OC-2 patch on my C4. This is pure OC-2 only (fully wet). About 34 secs I dial in some dry back in (about 40% dry added), this is seriously fat and great for driving my fav filter (GMC MF-101 Sensitivity Mod)on my Spectrum. I kick on the filter about 45 secs. Around the 56 secs I drop the filter, in readiness for my Quad Chorus on Lunar (1:00) and this is starting to sound very synthy! About 1:13 I tap on a Chopper / Ramp patch on my Eventide H9. I've not been able to replicate this with my current Source Audio gear. It's a basic square wave tremolo. I have similar patch modelled on my C4, but that's currently use! The Chopper / ramp patch really makes this into a Devo-eque 80's synth sound. As I ride out the clip, I start turning off effects, starting with my Lunar (1:28), The Ramp / Chopper patch (1:34), my OC-2 / C4 patch (1:38) leaving just the RATish patch until the end. hopefully you can see where I'm going with this patch and some of the synthy tones I'm looking for and how I like to use a RAT...I'm probably not your usual use case scenario!
Gazzajagman, aka GMCbasses, aka Gareth Cooper, AKA GMC

seeing your patches come up in my Comminuty searches gives me some pretty serious GAS for an Ultra Wave Bass, I’m not “unhappy” with my Aftershock by any means. Your “You’re Doom 2” patch in particular since it’s been pretty hard to get one of those pedals on the Used Market. I like what the Ultra Wave brings to the table. Unfortunately, all the videos I’ve seen are all pretty over the top in terms of dist/drive/Fuzz. But it would be nice to have access to post again Compression on a SA distortion unit. Especially where I have it in the chain.

Can the Ultrawave do like a Vintage smooth Tube sound? (I have been able to replicate a DG Vintage Microtubes vibe on the AS).

 

[moley6knipe]

No, it won't need external power.

@NPappas - any more details on the new cable yet? Lot of folks on the Morningstar forum who have just one of C4, Ultrawave etc for whom this would be perfect.

So one end is the 1/8” TRRS - is the other end 5 pin DIN? And will it have thru capabilities?

Thanks!

 

[GMC]

Dear all, thank you for your replies, I think I have now found the culprit...

Long story:
This is how I proceeded after swapping in and out and combining the 3 SA pedals without any success.
Actually the noise was there as soon as I had at least 2 SA pedals together.
I then tried my 4 analog pedals board and though it was much quieter, I could still hear some hum that I hadn't paid attention to before. I then removed all pedals and just had the jack in the amp and touched the tip of the one spot and surprisingly even then the hum was there as soon as I touched the one spot !!!
That led me to unplug the one spot from the power strip it was sharing with the amp and plug it somewhere else and voila, the noise was significantly reduced. Connecting back the SA board together I can still hear some low hum, probably due to the fact that I am not not using an isolated power supply, however it is now at a volume completely acceptable to me.

Short story:
It has nothing to do with the SA EQ2 pedal or any of my SA pedals but rather with the fact that I was using the same power strip for the amp and the 1spot.

This is great to hear. Recently I also found a noise / buzz with my Ultrawave. It literally started one day and wouldn't go away. It sounded like a serious ground loop buzz, however It wasn't anything obvious. I dialled in the Ultrawave's gate and low pass filter and this seemed to reduce most of it, but it was still there. It was obviously there on some of my high gain patches. So I took all of the cabled out of it and replaced each one systematically (thankfully I have loads of spares). You'll never believe what the culprit was! It was the mains cable from the PSU to the device. When I swapped it out, the buzz went away. If I put this cable on any feed into any pedal, the same buzz returned. It's in the bin now, never to cause me an issue again. However, quite baffling how a psu cable like this can just "go bad". The good news is the added gate to all of my Ultrawave patches have made big improvement and now they are quieter / noise free better than ever before.

 

[Derek Williams]

@NPappas - any more details on the new cable yet? Lot of folks on the Morningstar forum who have just one of C4, Ultrawave etc for whom this would be perfect.

So one end is the 1/8” TRRS - is the other end 5 pin DIN? And will it have thru capabilities?

Thanks!

The last picture they showed had a box with 1/8" TRS in and I think it had a thru?

 

[GMC]

seeing your patches come up in my Comminuty searches gives me some pretty serious GAS for an Ultra Wave Bass, I’m not “unhappy” with my Aftershock by any means. Your “You’re Doom 2” patch in particular since it’s been pretty hard to get one of those pedals on the Used Market. I like what the Ultra Wave brings to the table. Unfortunately, all the videos I’ve seen are all pretty over the top in terms of dist/drive/Fuzz. But it would be nice to have access to post again Compression on a SA distortion unit. Especially where I have it in the chain.

Can the Ultrawave do like a Vintage smooth Tube sound? (I have been able to replicate a DG Vintage Microtubes vibe on the AS).

If you focus on a single band (1-band (no Split)) in the Band Splitting options. Stick to the single distortion engine (ie no morphing yet) and choose which Distortion Type. Opt for 1 Basic Distortion, you prtty much have a tube amp type of patch. Tweek the 8 band graphic to taste and choose some compression or not.

I matched my fav Aftershock Bass Overdrive patch to my Ultrawave, it's on the Community hub called "GMC - Bass Overdrive". My patch has separate Ch1 & Ch2 variants which you can fade between using the Balance control (mapped to the Sustain knob). Ch2 is basically a heavier version with Compression, so it sounds like 2 stacked Tube engines from my Aftershock. It's my most used bass dirt and my usual goto.
If you look up my "GMC OD / Muff / Gated Fuzz" patch, it's an Overdrive, morphed with a Big Muff options (Using the Sustain knob to morph) and CH2 has a diode gated fuzz (Titan II / Woolley mammoth type of sound) that is faded in using the Treble knob (mapped to Balance). Super versatile and really sweet for dialling a specific dirt sound.

I've created a "GMC You're D II" which is quite close to the three leaf Audio pedal. It produces the tones and the sounds, although it dials in differently. But it's all there if you play with it. My copy of this uses a remote expression to dial in the Balance between the "33 Octave Fold 1" and the "5 Diode (positive only) type. Channel 1 needs a wet / dry mix (sustain) to tame down some of the crazy-ness and bring it into the target zone. The Ultrawave can get way more crazy than the 3 leaf Audio version. Unlike the Aftershock, the Ultrwave doesn't have any range limits on the control knobs.
A very similar patch is my "GMC B:assmaster & Gated Muff" Patch. I like this one a lot and I use it more than my You're DII patch. Morph is mapped to Sustain and it morphs between a gated Big Muff and a Gated Fuzz. The Treble control fades in Ch2 (Balance) which brings in the B:assMaster sound. This patch covers a lot of ground and I get a lot of BEAD tones from this. I find it more intuitive to start in familiar dirt territory (Muff and Gated Fuzz) and fade in the crazy B:assmaster tones to taste.

So yes the Ultrawave can do everything the Aftershock can and a lot more, however you will need to dial it if it's not already on the Neuro community.

 

[bassbrad]

Dear all, thank you for your replies, I think I have now found the culprit...

Long story:
This is how I proceeded after swapping in and out and combining the 3 SA pedals without any success.
Actually the noise was there as soon as I had at least 2 SA pedals together.
I then tried my 4 analog pedals board and though it was much quieter, I could still hear some hum that I hadn't paid attention to before. I then removed all pedals and just had the jack in the amp and touched the tip of the one spot and surprisingly even then the hum was there as soon as I touched the one spot !!!
That led me to unplug the one spot from the power strip it was sharing with the amp and plug it somewhere else and voila, the noise was significantly reduced. Connecting back the SA board together I can still hear some low hum, probably due to the fact that I am not not using an isolated power supply, however it is now at a volume completely acceptable to me.

Short story:
It has nothing to do with the SA EQ2 pedal or any of my SA pedals but rather with the fact that I was using the same power strip for the amp and the 1spot.

I never have any noise issues with my pedal board until I go over to a certain guitar players house, we found after several years that he has an ancient appliance in his house that infects the entire wiring of the newish house, once we put that appliance on an isolator the noise we had all been battling for several years disappeared. He had spent thousands on pedalboard power supplies, Isobars and everything else.