Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[PhatBottomBass1]

Understood.

I almost grabbed a Collider this morning, but wanted more clarity on this issue. I'm completely taken care of on the five (5) pedals listed for "scene" manipulation. If I add the Collider later, I will go with the independent midi message to that pedal.

...thanks!

 

[odarellmc]

This good to know because I plan on having 6 series one pedals and I was just thinking about this

 

[GMC]

Understood.

I almost grabbed a Collider this morning, but wanted more clarity on this issue. I'm completely taken care of on the five (5) pedals listed for "scene" manipulation. If I add the Collider later, I will go with the independent midi message to that pedal.

...thanks!

I would, ambience tends to lend it self to more selective control. That's certainly my findings!

 

[NPappas]

This good to know because I plan on having 6 series one pedals and I was just thinking about this

note that the Nemesis, Ventris, Collider, and EQ2 do not need the Hub in any capacity.

 

[jam.majors]

This good to know because I plan on having 6 series one pedals and I was just thinking about this

For absolutely no other reason than curiosity, which six?

 

[NPappas]

Figured I'd post this here if we haven't dropped by already, the newest Neuro Desktop Editor has dropped a couple days ago and supports updates for EQ2 and Nemesis. Full update / revision history guides are on the site under the Editors & Firmware tab, here's the basic info:

-Nemesis fixes to MIDI. If you have a Nemesis and updated to 1.24 and noticed some problems with MIDI PCs, USB over MIDI, and MIDI Clock, the 1.25 update solves all this.
-small EQ2 fixes, mainly related to handling of the bypass in loop mode to further prevent noise / feedback. We also added a feature where the EQ2 now remembers which preset slot was last used upon power cycle. So if you unplug the pedal or shut the power off at any point, it will boot to the last used preset slot. Previously it could not remember what slot you were on, and would default back to preset 1.

 

[odarellmc]

For absolutely no other reason than curiosity, which six?

C4, aftershock, ultra wave bass, spectrum, Atlas and lunar

 

[fleafly32]

C4, aftershock, ultra wave bass, spectrum, Atlas and lunar

I'm assuming you are aware, but all of the Spectrum features and presets are also available on the C4 (at least that's my understanding), so you may not need both.

 

[GMC]

I'm assuming you are aware, but all of the Spectrum features and presets are also available on the C4 (at least that's my understanding), so you may not need both.

You do if you need two of them and with other pedals between them.

 

[odarellmc]

I'm assuming you are aware, but all of the Spectrum features and presets are also available on the C4 (at least that's my understanding), so you may not need both.

If find it difficult working with multiple pedals that do the same thing, meaning I want my filter pedal to do just filter, c4 only syth and so on...

 

[bassbrad]

I'm assuming you are aware, but all of the Spectrum features and presets are also available on the C4 (at least that's my understanding), so you may not need both.

As @GMC noted having other pedals before or after makes a difference hence...
Having the Aftershock > C4 Synth > Ultrawave > Spectrum gives me a lot of flexibility creating sounds and possibilities in each scene for songs. I also have an insert between the C4 and Ultrawave to add to the fun.

 

[odarellmc]

As @GMC noted having other pedals before or after makes a difference hence...
View attachment 4829764 Having the Aftershock > C4 Synth > Ultrawave > Spectrum gives me a lot of flexibility creating sounds and possibilities in each scene for songs. I also have an insert between the C4 and Ultrawave to add to the fun.

Tell me more about the insert and how you use it if you don't mind.

 

[fleafly32]

As @GMC noted having other pedals before or after makes a difference hence...
View attachment 4829764 Having the Aftershock > C4 Synth > Ultrawave > Spectrum gives me a lot of flexibility creating sounds and possibilities in each scene for songs. I also have an insert between the C4 and Ultrawave to add to the fun.

Cool. Something I'll have to consider. I bought the C4 since it has all the capabilities, but I'll have to think about the possibilities of adding a Spectrum to add some more options for configuring my board.

 

[bassbrad]

Tell me more about the insert and how you use it if you don't mind.

It is a junction box on the underside of my board (top right of photo) that I can patch any effects wanted, have several flat boards that i can put in front or to the side as needed.

 

[LSMFT6]

Got an Atlas incoming!

 

[GMC]

Tell me more about the insert and how you use it if you don't mind.

I've recorded a short sound clip for you this morning. It's a simple but pedestrian line just to show the range of tones some of us are experimenting with. I grabbed a random drum track from my SDRUM unit and played the same matching line to it on my bass. This is a quick and dirty live cut, so please forgive my playing. I'm not trying to impress you with my playing, I'm just trying to show you and audio narrative. I'm building the patch in 4 parts. The final destination is the last round with all three effects engaged.



Initially my dry bass, then I added my C4 which is 1st in my chain.

This uses an OC-2 patch which I mix in about 60% Mono input (effectively giving me more control over the Wet / Dry mix). This patch is available on the Community hub as "GMC - OC-2" and it's my most used patch on the C4.
I then switch on my Ultrawave which is next in my chain. The Ultrawave has a lot of tonal options, but one of my goto patches is my "GMC OD / Muff / Gated Fuzz" patch. This is dialled in as a Muff & Gated Fuzz, it's quite loud and clips a bit, because it's going to shunt the filter in the next moment. It's a great patch and one of my fav patches for the Ultrawave. I can blend between an overdrive, Muff and Gated Fuzz in any amount for each. This type of sound cannot be achieved in the C4 alone. The C4 has a lot of great inbuilt dirt...however, if you want something outside of that pallet...then you have to introduce another dirt pedal.

Then I engage my lovely Spectrum. I love this pedal as a pure filter, sure it can do a lot more. But for me and my board I have it placed after my C4 and after my dirt, but before my modulation and ambience. So I'm almost treating is as an analogue / standalone effect. This means I can channel all of it's vast resources into just being a kick ass filter. The Patch I'm using is "GMC MF-101 - Sensitivity Mod". This is based on Proton Lenny / Zachary Rizer's patch (which I re-created on the Spectrum) but mapped the Frequency knob to the Sensitivity control. What does this do? Well, it brings something to the table that the Moog MF 101 never had; and that's effectively a side chain control in one knob. It changes the way the filter reacts to the input signal. So I can make it more sensitive or less sensitive without changing the input gain. I can use this control to really spank the filter hard or really pull back and dig in to the strings. It really alters how the filter reacts to my playing.

This final sound cannot be replicated with just a C4 or Spectrum. It needs the ultrawave and two units either side. if you are playing something seriously funky...like a 60's cop show lick..this sound just rules. However...it's certainly not an appropriate sound for Church

 

[odarellmc]

I've recorded a short sound clip for you this morning. It's a simple but pedestrian line just to show the range of tones some of us are experimenting with. I grabbed a random drum track from my SDRUM unit and played the same matching line to it on my bass. This is a quick and dirty live cut, so please forgive my playing. I'm not trying to impress you with my playing, I'm just trying to show you and audio narrative. I'm building the patch in 4 parts. The final destination is the last round with all three effects engaged.



Initially my dry bass, then I added my C4 which is 1st in my chain.

This uses an OC-2 patch which I mix in about 60% Mono input (effectively giving me more control over the Wet / Dry mix). This patch is available on the Community hub as "GMC - OC-2" and it's my most used patch on the C4.
I then switch on my Ultrawave which is next in my chain. The Ultrawave has a lot of tonal options, but one of my goto patches is my "GMC OD / Muff / Gated Fuzz" patch. This is dialled in as a Muff & Gated Fuzz, it's quite loud and clips a bit, because it's going to shunt the filter in the next moment. It's a great patch and one of my fav patches for the Ultrawave. I can blend between an overdrive, Muff and Gated Fuzz in any amount for each. This type of sound cannot be achieved in the C4 alone. The C4 has a lot of great inbuilt dirt...however, if you want something outside of that pallet...then you have to introduce another dirt pedal.

Then I engage my lovely Spectrum. I love this pedal as a pure filter, sure it can do a lot more. But for me and my board I have it placed after my C4 and after my dirt, but before my modulation and ambience. So I'm almost treating is as an analogue / standalone effect. This means I can channel all of it's vast resources into just being a kick ass filter. The Patch I'm using is "GMC MF-101 - Sensitivity Mod". This is based on Proton Lenny / Zachary Rizer's patch (which I re-created on the Spectrum) but mapped the Frequency knob to the Sensitivity control. What does this do? Well, it brings something to the table that the Moog MF 101 never had; and that's effectively a side chain control in one knob. It changes the way the filter reacts to the input signal. So I can make it more sensitive or less sensitive without changing the input gain. I can use this control to really spank the filter hard or really pull back and dig in to the strings. It really alters how the filter reacts to my playing.

This final sound cannot be replicated with just a C4 or Spectrum. It needs the ultrawave and two units either side. if you are playing something seriously funky...like a 60's cop show lick..this sound just rules. However...it's certainly not an appropriate sound for Church

Wow thank you for sharing. I'm with you even though these pedals can do multiple things. I prefer to have them give me variations as opposed to differences. If that makes sense.

 

[GMC]

Wow thank you for sharing. I'm with you even though these pedals can do multiple things. I prefer to have them give me variations as opposed to differences. If that makes sense.

You are very welcome. We are all here to help!
I treat my C4 as a fantastic octave pedal that is also a synth. I find the Synths I use as preset patches, but with the octaves I tend to use all 4 knobs. Because I treat it as an Octave, I place it really early in my chain. I treat my Spectrum as the last word in filters, even though it shares a lot of it's internal code with the C4. Yes it can also do octaves really well, but it's focus for me is it's filters. So it gets placed late in my chain.

 

[johnyrocksville]

Just ordered the Aftershock and C4 Synth, cant wait to try them out! I have really been wanting to try out some synth stuff and the C4 seems like the way to go. And the huge variety of distortion on the Aftershock almost seems too good to be true! I cant wait!

 

[Billyears IV]

Just ordered the Aftershock and C4 Synth, cant wait to try them out! I have really been wanting to try out some synth stuff and the C4 seems like the way to go. And the huge variety of distortion on the Aftershock almost seems too good to be true! I cant wait!

Enjoy! And take your time. Ive had my C4 for about a month. Been v busy, but I try and learn something each day, gradually.
I was undecided as my current band doesnt use much (traditional?) synth sounds. But the C4 is so versatile. I actually prefer some of it's standalone distortions to my other SA pedal, the UW. But the synth sounds are awesome, together with envelopes, octaves, pads, lead, dance/club, sequence etc etc there's so much potential.

The Zac Riser vid is really useful if you need some help finding your way round :