Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[GMC]

The Nemesis has midi ports too, but I've got everything connected through the hub with the Atlas on its own right now, since I only use one preset as an always on. Would the EQ2 and Nemesis pass through midi then, if I didn't get a second hub? I just figured two hubs would be the easiest way to get everything set up and organize all the scenes in the Neuro app.

Yes, i have my Nemesis, ventris and EQ2 all on 5 pin pass thru Midi chain. Just make sure you assign a unique Midi Channel to each one.

If I had a choice between one way MIDI or 2 directional Hub communications.....I would go Hub all day long. One button scene-saving is a very nice benefit.

Yes I agree, an additional hub is a better way. Although direct Midi thru is a viable option. It will certainly work i the short term.

Do the blue dots enable power over MIDI? They look a lot like the One Control MIDI cables, but those don't carry power.

The EBS Blue Dot and Rockboard midi cables are both 5 core cabling. So fully connected and shielded, as per the 5 pin Midi standard. My Midi solutions Midi Thru box uses the =5v midi power and all of my chosen midi cables can carry the volts n the correct pin.

 

[fleafly32]

I've got a tough one for any troubleshooting gurus on here (or hopefully the SA folks will weigh in). On my board I've got 5 SA pedals (Atlas, C4, Aftershock, Gemini, EQ2) and a neuro hub (as well as a kliq tuner and a midi mouse). I have been using a cheap Amazon power supply (Caline CP-202) without issue. A couple of weeks ago, when I added the Gemini to my board, I started getting some horrible noise issues. A ringing sound that the noise filter could take care of, but as soon as i start playing it is very pronounced and annoying.

So my initial thought is the power supply. I drop the cash and test with a good quality isolated supply (1-Spot CS7) without changing anything else, no change. So now I've completely torn my board apart and have been stepping slowly through troubleshooting. Here is what I've found:

1. The EQ2 seemed to be having a problem with the cheap power supply. I started adding pedals and as soon as i got the EQ2 in place, the ringing noise came back. At this point, I have not added the hub or midi mouse back in. So, I swap in the CS-7, and the noise goes away. Eureka! I think that the issue is the cheap power supply not providing current to EQ2 (and I don't think it's actually isolated, despite what they've screen printed on it). but....

2. Before rebuilding my board, I want to make sure that everything still works once adding the neuro hub and midi mouse back in. Once i plug the neuro hub in with a trrs cable to each pedal, the noise is back! Now I'm annoyed, as this is with the new power supply. So more troubleshooting, and I find that when I unplug the trrs cable from the EQ2, the ringing instantly stops. This does not happen when unplugging it from any of the other pedals. I did test a different cable and a different output on the hub with the EQ2, and still, the ringing is back as soon as I plug in the trrs. Note that i also tested with the EQ2 plugged into the original SA power supply, just in case.

So at this point, I'm reasonably confident that I had a power supply issue, but there still is an issue with either the neuro hub or the EQ2. Any ideas?

Just wanted to post an update on this issue. I emailed SA support and Niko got back to me right away. He suggested a ground lift TRRS cable between my EQ2 and Neuro Hub, and was kind enough to mail one out to. Installed it this week, and the noise is gone! Thanks Niko for the awesome support! I've now got my board all set (until GAS strikes again).

 

[Quatschmacher]

@rsmith601 I was just thinking how cool it would be if Source Audio were to make a dedicated FM synthesis pedal. Given that these things play better when fully digital, it’d be ideal. Could make it 4- or 6-operator, with a dedicated envelope per operator. In fact, a sort of DX7 in a tiny box would be pretty sweet. The SA desktop editor would make it much nicer to program and it sort of fits the the SA style (say drop-down to select one of the algorithms, one of the sections per operator with all its envelope, velocity and scaling controls, one section for global LFO etc).

 

[odarellmc]

@rsmith601 I was just thinking how cool it would be if Source Audio were to make a dedicated FM synthesis pedal. Given that these things play better when fully digital, it’d be ideal. Could make it 4- or 6-operator, with a dedicated envelope per operator. In fact, a sort of DX7 in a tiny box would be pretty sweet. The SA desktop editor would make it much nicer to program and it sort of fits the the SA style (say drop-down to select one of the algorithms, one of the sections per operator with all its envelope, velocity and scaling controls, one section for global LFO etc).

That would be cool,v I was also thinking along the same line. all they need is a digital preamp. Non cab sim with inserts that can take advantage of the dual engines, hpf/lpf , maybe with different pre amp profiles, noble, reddi, etc

 

[Trvbass]

Does anyone have any suggestions on the order of these pedals/signal chain and if so, a short explanation as to why. I might add the EQ2, but this is the mini-rig for now.

Thanks!

 

[GMC]

Does anyone have any suggestions on the order of these pedals/signal chain and if so, a short explanation as to why. I might add the EQ2, but this is the mini-rig for now.

Thanks!


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Your load out looks great. Modulation quite late in the chain and OD after Fuzz. Pedal placement really depends on what you are looking to achieve. The C4 and Ultrawave are very broad pedals. The C4's synth, octave and filter options really are very versatile. It's even got a really nice little tremolo that works great!
I'm guessing you are using your Ultrawave as a potential input compressor too?

 

[PhatBottomBass1]

The nice thing about a two channel compressor (independent) is wiring upfront and anywhere else, too.

Also, the Aftershock can use the second channel as an effects loop for modulation or similar.

 

[MascisMan]

Does anyone have any suggestions on the order of these pedals/signal chain and if so, a short explanation as to why. I might add the EQ2, but this is the mini-rig for now.

Thanks!


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Me personally, I would go Atlas > C4 > Ultra Wave > After Shock > Mercury. But I could see some interplay between the C4/UW/AS depending on what sounds best. May just take some experimentation.

 

[Trvbass]

I will try the Atlas up front- thanks!

I was hoping it would level out the volume when adding and removing distortion and modulation while moving through a piece's verse /chorus /bridge /outro etc to something coming off the C4 or ultra wave.

I'm also hoping to maintain a stereo signal chain and maximize the opportunities for the stereo image... sounds great in the IEMS!

 

[GMC]

I will try the Atlas up front- thanks!

I was hoping it would level out the volume when adding and removing distortion and modulation while moving through a piece's verse /chorus /bridge /outro etc to something coming off the C4 or ultra wave.

I'm also hoping to maintain a stereo signal chain and maximize the opportunities for the stereo image... sounds great in the IEMS!

For me, I run mono upto my Modulation and then Stereo (or Dual mono) onwards. My latter delays / EQ2 and reverbs are all stereo.

I put my EQ2 quite late in my Stereo chain (after modulation but before delays and Verbs) so that my expression / volume swells are late enough to not to affect my dirt saturation but early enough to swell with trails. But your milage might vary and you might be looking for a different use case scenario than me.

Me personally, I would go Atlas > C4 > Ultra Wave > After Shock > Mercury. But I could see some interplay between the C4/UW/AS depending on what sounds best. May just take some experimentation.

This was my initial thought too.
However, using the Atlas as a final gain stage and end of line compressor works too.
For general use, I would also agree.
However, if Trvbass is into filters, then pre-fuzzing (UW) the filter (C4) is the way to go.
This is why on my board, I have both a C4 and a Spectrum (C4>Atlas>UW>Spectrum>Lunar).

 

[odarellmc]

I run mine eq2>UW>c4>spectrum>aftershock>lunar>atlas

 

[fleafly32]

I run Atlas>C4>Aftershock>Gemini>EQ2(eq2 is in the effects loop of my amp, so post pre-amp). I'm thinking of using the dual compressor features and second channel on Atlas to place compressor B after the C4, giving me the option of using it to tame the C4 output in certain instances.

 

[Blue Swede]

So i recently ordered and recieved an active USB hub (tp-link uh720) to connect all my source audio gear to my mac. Its a 7 port hub, all USB 3, with 2 additional charging ports on it. Since I won't be using those 2 charging ports and it seems to power fine from my macbook air with my source audio gear plugged in I have left the power cord out for now. When I use the mac version of the neuro app and the soleman editor everything works fine so that's great. I have the Aftershock, the Atlas comp, the C4 synth, the neuro hub and the soleman all hooked up thus far.

My question is as follows: If I plug my phone into the USB hub using an apple camera connector kit and at the same time use the external power source for the USB hub - should I be able to connect to the one series pedals and configure their parameters this way? When I tried doing this with my phone, the neuro app would open up, I could select all pedals, but as soon as I pressed on any of them all the parameters would go haywire, turning on and off for a few seconds and finally the app would shut down.

If its not meant to work then that's fine, if it is and anyone else has been in a similar situation any help is appreciated.

 

[odarellmc]

So i recently ordered and recieved an active USB hub (tp-link uh720) to connect all my source audio gear to my mac. Its a 7 port hub, all USB 3, with 2 additional charging ports on it. Since I won't be using those 2 charging ports and it seems to power fine from my macbook air with my source audio gear plugged in I have left the power cord out for now. When I use the mac version of the neuro app and the soleman editor everything works fine so that's great. I have the Aftershock, the Atlas comp, the C4 synth, the neuro hub and the soleman all hooked up thus far.

My question is as follows: If I plug the hub into an apple camera connector kit and into my phone, as well as use the external power source for the hub - should I be able to connect to the one series pedals and configure their parameters this way? When I tried doing this with my phone, the neuro app would open up, I could select all pedals, but as soon as I pressed on any of them all the parameters would go haywire, turning on and off for a few seconds and finally the app would shut down.

If its not meant to work then that's fine, if it is and anyone else has been in a similar situation any help is appreciated.

To my understanding when you connect to the hub you can only mess with the scenes. To adjust pedal parameters you have to connect directly to the pedal..

 

[Blue Swede]

To my understanding when you connect to the hub you can only mess with the scenes. To adjust pedal parameters you have to connect directly to the pedal..

I edited my post for clarity, when i wrote that i connect to the hub i mean the USB hub, not the neuro hub. Sorry for being misleading there, thanks for your answer anyhow.

 

[odarellmc]

I edited my post for clarity, when i wrote that i connect to the hub i mean the USB hub, not the neuro hub. Sorry for being misleading there, thanks for your answer anyhow.

In that case if you have

Planning on it. The LP sounds great. I was considering buying a Darkglass Infinity to replace some other pedals (not related to this thread) on my board and had the thought about the LP really being needed or not. I’ll almost certainly be buying an EQ2 instead of the Darkglass though.

Would love to see a larger format (collider style, but larger would be fine too) EQ3 in the future with a DI, aux in, headphone amp, a low pass filter, stereo in/out, two switchable effects loops (think boss LS-2), and a 2nd (or 3rd!) programmable footswitch on the unit to assign to boost, channel switching, or whatever. Throw in a comp and I’d pay $600 for that in a heartbeat. Put in tremelo for fun and have the effects loops bounce between output jacks - now we’re just getting silly.

Also kinda surprised SA doesn’t have some kind of midi-controlled looper pedal. Drop in some mp4 files (a la TC Electronic ditto +) and trigger samples on the go - but maybe that’s more appropriate on a PC?

Alright, done dreaming now. Keep up the good work Source Audio. After I get the EQ2 and replace my tuner and EQ, my board will be like 11/14 parts your products.

Great idea maybe a DI/looper...

 

[odarellmc]

So i recently ordered and recieved an active USB hub (tp-link uh720) to connect all my source audio gear to my mac. Its a 7 port hub, all USB 3, with 2 additional charging ports on it. Since I won't be using those 2 charging ports and it seems to power fine from my macbook air with my source audio gear plugged in I have left the power cord out for now. When I use the mac version of the neuro app and the soleman editor everything works fine so that's great. I have the Aftershock, the Atlas comp, the C4 synth, the neuro hub and the soleman all hooked up thus far.

My question is as follows: If I plug my phone into the USB hub using an apple camera connector kit and at the same time use the external power source for the USB hub - should I be able to connect to the one series pedals and configure their parameters this way? When I tried doing this with my phone, the neuro app would open up, I could select all pedals, but as soon as I pressed on any of them all the parameters would go haywire, turning on and off for a few seconds and finally the app would shut down.

If its not meant to work then that's fine, if it is and anyone else has been in a similar situation any help is appreciated.

I agree we should be able to connect and adjust everything when connected to the hub. Maybe in a future update?

 

[s_wood]

I am having problems with the Neuro Desktop Editor.

For some reason, I am unable to save changes to the presets I’ve previously loaded on Aftershock. I make the changes in the desktop editor and click save or save as (I’ve tried both). Then, if I use the toggle switch on the pedal itself to select a different preset and return to the preset that I edited all of the changes that I made are lost. I know the desktop is communicating with the pedal because I can hear the changes as they make them. Also, if I change the level knob on the pedal, the output knobs on the desktop editor move.

The problem is that if I make changes on the desktop, editor and click save if I leave the preset and return my changes are lost. What idiot thing am I doing wrong?

Thanks!

 

[odarellmc]

I am having problems with the Neuro Desktop Editor.

For some reason, I am unable to save changes to the presets I’ve previously loaded on Aftershock. I make the changes in the desktop editor and click save or save as (I’ve tried both). Then, if I use the toggle switch on the pedal itself to select a different preset and return to the preset that I edited all of the changes that I made are lost. I know the desktop is communicating with the pedal because I can hear the changes as they make them. Also, if I change the level knob on the pedal, the output knobs on the desktop editor move.

The problem is that if I make changes on the desktop, editor and click save if I leave the preset and return my changes are lost. What idiot thing am I doing wrong?

Thanks!

From the editor, are you burning the preset to the proper slot? When you look at the saved preset in the saved slot is it the same?

 

[Gibs210]

I am having problems with the Neuro Desktop Editor.

For some reason, I am unable to save changes to the presets I’ve previously loaded on Aftershock. I make the changes in the desktop editor and click save or save as (I’ve tried both). Then, if I use the toggle switch on the pedal itself to select a different preset and return to the preset that I edited all of the changes that I made are lost. I know the desktop is communicating with the pedal because I can hear the changes as they make them. Also, if I change the level knob on the pedal, the output knobs on the desktop editor move.

The problem is that if I make changes on the desktop, editor and click save if I leave the preset and return my changes are lost. What idiot thing am I doing wrong?

Thanks!

Are you sure you’re saving to the pedal memory and not to the cloud database?