How much did the class cost? I just went to her website and there was no pricing information.
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Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3
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Depends a bit on what your needs are: the only SA pedal on my board is an Ultrawave Bass. I have an Aftershock, but I don’t need it and am trying to get motivated to list it for sale.
So I have three midi pedals on my board: UW Bass, an HX One, and a NUX Melvin Lee Davis (which I don’t bother with, midi wise). I considered adding a Spectrum, but it’s overkill for my filter needs.
To control the UW Bass and HX One, I have a $30 M-Vave Chocolate: I have 7 scenes set for short and long presses of the four buttons (I reserve one to turn on the tuner for the HX One, which is kind of a pain to do normally).
I really don’t even need 7 scenes, tbh. Maybe if I had added the Spectrum.
The Modular Synthesizer Introduction was free. There are follow on classes that I expect are reasonable for that type of thing. However, for myself, just having enough information to be dangerous is sufficient in moving forward.
There was just a follow up online "free seminar" with four students from her current class that is happening right now. I listened to what they are doing and probably not what your average Bass player is going to be doing I would imagine. Coincidentally, no students were Bass junkies!
Any idea if SA would consider releasing a multi fx platform? Their effects are really top notch, I just wish I could have multiple of them in one unit instead of juggling multiple pedals/cables, plus midi controller for global scenes. Maybe downloadable packages so we can buy (or rent?) the pedals we need on it?
If I could have C4, Atlas, Spectrum, Aftershock and Ultrawave in one hardware unit, money would fly out of my wallet so freaking fast!!
If I could have C4, Atlas, Spectrum, Aftershock and Ultrawave in one hardware unit, money would fly out of my wallet so freaking fast!!
My comment would be that I consider the Atlas Compressor to be a production tool to perhaps go along with the Artifakt. UltraWave (Bass) has a studio grade Multi-band Compressor in it. Personally, I don't require that many compression units as a player.
C4, as mentioned before, has ALL of the Spectrum Intelligent Filter features in it, so why buy both?
(The After Shock being an older original One Series pedals does have some limitations that having the UltraWave (Bass) doesn't and can offer, between it and the C4, likely more distortion, OD and Fuzzz options than you may ever use?)
UltraWave (Bass) and C4 covers what you desire really well.
Now, as far a midi controller goes, many will work, but I prefer to keep system continuity and potential best customer support on the Source Audio units or system. Rather than having to rely on inefficiency and the potential of less attentive technical support? Also, there are footswitch options to access presets and scrolling some features.
Basically, I would be very surprised to see SA (a) do a multi effects beyond what they do now (b) price point is really good as it is (c) the specific units you list are duplicitous (d) The available routing options would likely be reduced (e) buy a PT Nano and put a tuner on it and go.
I Have a DMC Micro G4 controller but only to control one pedal a C4. it can handle 4 pedals but i think you would need something like the Neuro hub to connect. the DMC is expensive but probably smallest most useful device....my board is not the best designed because i used a PT mini board I had lying around and few PS fit under.. so when I added the DMC i had to add another mini power supply. eventually ill get another board 'specially because I won a pedal in the contest...;-)
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Having a Nuero HUB and a different midi controller is just fine. The "SCENES" created are stored on the HUB device, not the pedals. The connection to the pedals from the HUB, by the TRRS 1/8" proprietary midi for control, talks between the HUB and pedal being controlled by a PC midi message from any compatible midi controller such as a SOLEMAN and others available.
An advantage to the Soleman is the three modes that it has. One is specific to scene sorting and recall with the HUB (another reason I decided to use the SA controller) But, using standard midi control with an SA168 midi adapter ($49) has the TRRS midi output to the pedal for everyday standard PC & CC messages from the Soleman or other compatible midi devices connected to 5 DIN midi or 1/8" Type A Midi cable (Boss style).
Point is; if you have a couple (up to 5) SA pedals that you make changes on and are not "static" in operation. The Nuero HUB for scene control cuts your workload WAY DOWN in getting midi messaging set up. The HUB is an accurate, time saver and valuable board plumbing device, for communication, storage and recall of multiple pedal parameters at a push of a button. 5 DIN midi I/O and TRS 1/4" Expression Pedal Jack.
If you're just controlling a single SA One Series pedal, then a HUB ($99) is probably more than you need, that can be accomplished with any midi controller and SA168 ($49) midi adapter.
SA really has the customer first in every thing I've ever seen?
Having a Nuero HUB and a different midi controller is just fine. The "SCENES" created are stored on the HUB device, not the pedals. The connection to the pedals from the HUB, by the TRRS 1/8" proprietary midi for control, talks between the HUB and pedal being controlled by a PC midi message from any compatible midi controller such as a SOLEMAN and others available.
An advantage to the Soleman is the three modes that it has. One is specific to scene sorting and recall with the HUB (another reason I decided to use the SA controller) But, using standard midi control with an SA168 midi adapter ($49) has the TRRS midi output to the pedal for everyday standard PC & CC messages from the Soleman or other compatible midi devices connected to 5 DIN midi or 1/8" Type A Midi cable (Boss style).
Point is; if you have a couple (up to 5) SA pedals that you make changes on and are not "static" in operation. The Nuero HUB for scene control cuts your workload WAY DOWN in getting midi messaging set up. The HUB is an accurate, time saver and valuable board plumbing device, for communication, storage and recall of multiple pedal parameters at a push of a button. 5 DIN midi I/O and TRS 1/4" Expression Pedal Jack.
If you're just controlling a single SA One Series pedal, then a HUB ($99) is probably more than you need, that can be accomplished with any midi controller and SA168 ($49) midi adapter.
SA really has the customer first in every thing I've ever seen?
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One thing that I’ve never really understood is, is there any way to bridge midi commands and neurolink (i.e. between channel 2 on the pedals)? I had assumed that this was basically what the neurohub did, but it’s not clear why the midi adapter doesn’t do the same thing.
To be clear, I’m perfectly happy with the answer “because it can’t”, it’s just not obvious from the manuals if that’s true or if I’m doing it wrong.
To be clear, I’m perfectly happy with the answer “because it can’t”, it’s just not obvious from the manuals if that’s true or if I’m doing it wrong.
@NPappas @Gibs210
When it gets to the guts of midi channels and communication there is only one answer
I get your points, but would still see the benefit of an all-in-one unit. Maybe I want to control synth and envelope filter effects independently. Maybe I need a reverb or delay some time.
I am thinking about the form factor of the Quad Cortex, Fender Tone Master or the smaller Helix units, but loaded with SA effects. It would need a lot of processing power, but with chips these days, nothing should be impossible. It would have to be expensive, upwards of $1k, and maybe some smart pricing model for individual effects. There is a market in that price range though. Other manufacturers already sell hardware like that, but their effects aren’t as good as SA.
There are options in the market to meet players demands. To this day, I'm not a fan of Line 6 for Bass. Couldn't really speak to the QC or any of the current multi effects units (except the current Boss offering, no thanks!) or catering to the consolidated format or customer support for those products.I get your points, but would still see the benefit of an all-in-one unit. Maybe I want to control synth and envelope filter effects independently. Maybe I need a reverb or delay some time.
I am thinking about the form factor of the Quad Cortex, Fender Tone Master or the smaller Helix units, but loaded with SA effects. It would need a lot of processing power, but with chips these days, nothing should be impossible. It would have to be expensive, upwards of $1k, and maybe some smart pricing model for individual effects. There is a market in that price range though. Other manufacturers already sell hardware like that, but their effects aren't as good as SA.
Source Audio has a fantastic product line that sounds awesome. You should do more research on the capabilities and ask questions to the tech support contact on what can and can't be done with two channels on all but the analog preamp pedals?
There are many a player that just own one SA pedal amongst others. I really have no idea how many individual pedals are in the QC line? I know that Line 6 goes nuts trying to cover every potential eventuality with HX One to the full Helix and all the price points in between and it's a bit confusing.
SA ala carte menu is appealing, tasty and flexible.
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You don’t have to be enthusiastic about an idea someone else might find very useful, but it is a little amusing how *against* it you are.
There are options in the market to meet players demands. To this day, I'm not a fan of Line 6 for Bass. Couldn't really speak to the QC or any of the current multi effects units (except the current Boss offering, no thanks!) or catering to the consolidated format or customer support for those products.
Source Audio has a fantastic product line that sounds awesome. You should do more research on the capabilities and ask questions to the tech support contact on what can and can't be done with two channels on all but the analog preamp pedals?
There are many a player that just own one SA pedal amongst others. I really have no idea how many individual pedals are in the QC line? I know that Line 6 goes nuts trying to cover every potential eventuality with HX One to the full Helix and all the price points in between and it's a bit confusing.
SA ala carte menu is appealing, tasty and flexible.
You don’t have to be enthusiastic about an idea someone else might find very useful, but it is a little amusing how *against* it you are.
Ok, I think this is in response to my question. I think this will be easier with a hypothetical scenario: let's say I have a board with a Spectrum, Aftershock, and an EQ2. If an SA MIDI adapter is connected to the Spectrum and I have a midi controller that can send PC and CC messages, can I control the Aftershock and EQ2 using the Neurolink bus along channel 2?
And I ask this because I didn't have much luck with it with my UW and Aftershock, but it's not obvious if it's not possible or I didn't have it hooked up correctly or if I was using the wrong cable for the Neurolink connection.
Hopefully that's a clearer question.
ETA: The midi controller can send PC and CC messages on different channels, to be clear.
Obviously, as a business idea, with what is out there, a processor as you describe is not likely to do well, due to being a money pit with little ROI.You
You don't have to be enthusiastic about an idea someone else might find very useful, but it is a little amusing how *against* it you are.
What has surprised me is how you have done so little research in your questions regarding capabilities you seek and what you desire in your dream processor?
I'm glad to see recent UI developments, a new pedal (that I have no personal use for but is an amazing idea for others) and the level of direct customer support that is provided. I just don't see the need to move from what is working well to a waste of time and money.
Research for me has been a game changer in my rig.
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SA168 Midi Adapter
Something that I was not aware of is that the "adapter" is obviously converting standard midi (IN) from potentially 5 DIN connection (but could be TRS Type A 1/8" midi) to SA TRRS (OUT to Pedal) proprietary midi control. But, the THRU is TRS standard midi, not TRRS. The idea being daisy chaining another SA168 to another SA pedal. (I've used this as a midi connection for a Two Notes Opus IR loader.)
There would be an issue trying to to connect another SA pedal to the THRU connection with a TRRS type cable.
Just an FYI...
Something that I was not aware of is that the "adapter" is obviously converting standard midi (IN) from potentially 5 DIN connection (but could be TRS Type A 1/8" midi) to SA TRRS (OUT to Pedal) proprietary midi control. But, the THRU is TRS standard midi, not TRRS. The idea being daisy chaining another SA168 to another SA pedal. (I've used this as a midi connection for a Two Notes Opus IR loader.)
There would be an issue trying to to connect another SA pedal to the THRU connection with a TRRS type cable.
Just an FYI...
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Midi through is not a second TRRS out, it’s a midi compliant connection. The to pedal jack. Is propriatary TRRS. So you would need another midi adapter to connect to the control input of a source audio pedal. You could connect to the midi port of the eq2/nemesis/ventris/collider/artifakt/encounter without the need of a second adapter (other than to make the appropriate connection).
Yes, I use the midi through on the SA adapter to go to my HX One. That part is fine. My question was about this:
Basically, is the SA Midi adapter turning the MIDI commands into SA’a Neuro messages? Or are these completely different interfaces from each other?
(In my scenario, imagine replacing “Neuro In” with the 1/8” TRRS connection from the SA Midi adapter at the top of the pedal)
I have personally never used this feature ever. I think I was under the impression that this was a connection to the Nuero Editor rather than a midi thing. I just never had the jacks or need to go down that road in my experience.
For my needs, the TRRS connection with the SA168 and SOLEMAN/(Dual Expression Pedal) have been just fine. I expect similar results for midi communication with the Nuero HUB and three (3) SA pedals being connected.
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For my needs, the TRRS connection with the SA168 and SOLEMAN/(Dual Expression Pedal) have been just fine. I expect similar results for midi communication with the Nuero HUB and three (3) SA pedals being connected.
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