Exactly. How many of them bemoan the dearth of 'dance clubs' for their cover band to play blues, old school r&b and/or rock n' roll like grandma used to shimmy to. (Not that theres anything wrong with old music). Out of touch is an understatement.
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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out
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I never knew about that site. Just went and took a look at it and now so much here at TB makes sense! The same people from TB are having the exact same discussions on other sites. By the time that someone on TB comments on what they perceive as a new topic, the OP has already rehashed and belabored the topic into its atomic particles.
I knew there were other sites and yeah, I get that it's the internet and the ability to acquire knowledge on nearly anything is virtually instantaneous, but I was sort of happy in my illusion of community here.
*shrug* oh well... moving on ...
My buddy got a really good recording at the Yob/ Bell Witch concert last week and I finally got a chance to listen to it last night. I haven't regretted missing a show that much in a long time. To anyone on the fence about catching a show on this tour: Go!
Damn! Now I'm looking forward to the Yob/Bell Witch show even more! I've had my ticket for months. 7/7 can't come soon enough.
I've noticed the same. Some people, even those around then seem to not remember that AC/DC was called heavy metal, same with Zep, Deep Purple, and tons of others.
Hell modern rock/hard rock is often as heavy or heavier than bands labeled as metal in this day in age.
I can't make it to Yob, gonna be stuck up North then. Real bummed.
On a side note, whoever did FOH at Royal Oak theatre last night did awful. The mix was pure mud below mid freqs. Kick had zero definition just woof, lower guitar notes were the same.
I couldn't even fathom how bad the bass was...it was indecernable. You could tell there was some pitch change, but zero attack and decay. Sounded like that idiot who cranks hip hop in their beater and you just notice a change in pitch amongst all the rattling car parts.
The saddest part was that the bass player strictly used an upright. Even when she would solo high on the fretboard it was pure mud! Bugged me all night till about halfway through when it started to improve.
On a side note, whoever did FOH at Royal Oak theatre last night did awful. The mix was pure mud below mid freqs. Kick had zero definition just woof, lower guitar notes were the same.
I couldn't even fathom how bad the bass was...it was indecernable. You could tell there was some pitch change, but zero attack and decay. Sounded like that idiot who cranks hip hop in their beater and you just notice a change in pitch amongst all the rattling car parts.
The saddest part was that the bass player strictly used an upright. Even when she would solo high on the fretboard it was pure mud! Bugged me all night till about halfway through when it started to improve.
I would argue “metal” is the most diverse of any genre (or at least as diverse as any genre). It incorporates influences from literally every other musical genre. Typically, when people say they don’t get/like metal, they have a narrow viewpoint of what metal is. Often, they dislike the “extreme” stuff. On the other end of the spectrum, I love the “hardcore metal” guys who listen to exclusively “underground” metal bands like 5FDP, DevilDriver, Lamb of God, and the like, and have no concept of the vast majority of metal out there.
On the whole, though, I’d say we’re a pretty cohesive group, in that we pretty much let people enjoy what they enjoy and just go with it. You like your style, I like mine.
I also love the people that say it takes no talent. An old buddy of mine had that argument with his mother once, regarding Arch Enemy and their female singer. She was of the opinion anyone could do it, and so he challenged her to sing a song of theirs. She declined.
On the whole, though, I’d say we’re a pretty cohesive group, in that we pretty much let people enjoy what they enjoy and just go with it. You like your style, I like mine.
I also love the people that say it takes no talent. An old buddy of mine had that argument with his mother once, regarding Arch Enemy and their female singer. She was of the opinion anyone could do it, and so he challenged her to sing a song of theirs. She declined.
@kleinenenten yeah that's my experience as well. Some of those "hardcore metal" guys make me chuckle.
Hahahahaha! I do have an old best of record...
Hahahahaha! I do have an old best of record...
Oh no. That sounds like it would terrible.
XD exactly. They have no concept of the fact that they're ****ing old and that not all of us are trying to do what they're doing.
You really missed out. I've seen Yob 8 or 9 times now. They're always amazing. Super friendly guys, too. Their bassist, Aaron, is a gearhead like us.
Bell Witch I've only seen once, but I was sitting on the subwoofer by the stage just absorbing their music (I was also super high at the time). Fantastic band.
This is why I find it weird that so many here on TB are so willing to put their entire sound in the hands of the person runing FOH.
Metal is a very wide ranging genre. I guess because while its roots are in blues, it's a form of popular music (as opposed to orchestral) that's been totally unhooked from the dance floor. So there's a freedom to do crazy **** that isn't as present in most other rock music. Hence you get experiments like Inter Arma's "The Cavern" and so forth.
Yes! And why they look at us sideways when we try to tell them otherwise.
Usually, they have a setlist that appeals to a their generation. So I am always stratching my head when they say that folks younger than them 'don't support live music.' They do. They just don't want to hear you nail 'Cat Scratch Fever' over at the Elks lodge. They want to hear music they dig.
That and the cover band vs originals band experience is about as different as can be.
Yeah listening to originals is much more of an experience. Not necessarily by entertainment value, but it can really take you on a trip and move you in an amazing way. Especially if it's something you've never heard before. For covers, I'm mostly just there to party, cept for maybe a misfits cover/tribute band.
I enjoy FOH support, but I much prefer loud stage volume. I like when you can feel your music and it's like you're being engulfed by it. They're support, they're not supposed to be your sound IMO. Too many people seem to think that way in my experience.
Yeah I never really trust FOH unless it's someone I know well. I just end up keeping a heavy midrange and bright sound. The low end seems to fill in the more I crank it on the stage and FOH can only add so much low end to the PA.
To be honest, the biggest abomination is how horrible kicks frequently sound in the PA.
I enjoy FOH support, but I much prefer loud stage volume. I like when you can feel your music and it's like you're being engulfed by it. They're support, they're not supposed to be your sound IMO. Too many people seem to think that way in my experience.
Yeah I never really trust FOH unless it's someone I know well. I just end up keeping a heavy midrange and bright sound. The low end seems to fill in the more I crank it on the stage and FOH can only add so much low end to the PA.
To be honest, the biggest abomination is how horrible kicks frequently sound in the PA.
Man, if I have to read one more comment today about a piece of gear being too heavy. . .
So much of this place smells like a retirement home.
Here's a tip. Bass too heavy, get a big strap. Bass too neck divey, get a grippy strap. 8x10, 4x12, 6x10, 2x15 too heavy? Get one thats got wheels dude! Or buy a hand-truck. Damn.
Or, if you have to go lighter weight, don't sermonize about it. "If you value your back", blah blah blah. Whatever. Just shut up about it already. Play what you want, meanwhile I'll be rolling my poopie in.
So much of this place smells like a retirement home.
Here's a tip. Bass too heavy, get a big strap. Bass too neck divey, get a grippy strap. 8x10, 4x12, 6x10, 2x15 too heavy? Get one thats got wheels dude! Or buy a hand-truck. Damn.
Or, if you have to go lighter weight, don't sermonize about it. "If you value your back", blah blah blah. Whatever. Just shut up about it already. Play what you want, meanwhile I'll be rolling my poopie in.
Eh, I have to carry my gear up and down two flights of stairs every time I leave my place. I'd love a big ol Ampeg fridge but I'm not about to wrangle that beast. Gimme a couple lightweight cabs and I'm stoked.
I have a GK 4x12. I get to lug it up and down a flight of stairs, but its what I want to use and it sounds excellent. It is a neo cab, so its a touch lighter. With wheels and a towel bar on it its easier dragging it than it would be to lift it. C'est la vie. I'm just tired of all the damn moaning about it.
Go ahead, wander out in to gen pop and ask " whats the best way to move an SVT and 8x10 up/down a flight of stairs?" And just wait, they'll be flocking in to give you a sermon on taking care of your back, sell that thing, who would want to lug that, just go di FOH, blah blah blah.
The ones that get me are the ones that post "yeah, it was the best bass I ever had, but damn, it was 12lbs so you know, couldn't keep that thing." Weight is the last thing on my mind with gear. I'd rather shell out $50-75 for a great strap than flip an otherwise excellent bass. Ymmv and all that. Play what ya want and what works for you.
The older I get, the more and heavier gear I get. Seriously, I have much larger tube heads and cabinets (610 and 810) than I did in the past.
The simple fact is this:
Almost every bassist is chasing the "elusive" tone of a passive bass through a powerful tube head into a big cabinet that moves lots of air. Yes, there are some that like thin, honky, synth sounds but, generally speaking, we all agree that bass is there to produce the boom. The bottom end.
You can try to emulate it other configurations or simulate it with technology but the simple fact is, you can't accurately reproduce it. Yeah, I'd love to be the guy that invents something that can accurately reproduce the exact sound of a pbass through an SVT and a fridge in a package that weighs 3 lbs, has no neck dive and wirelessly connects to a business card sized receiver that they hand to the sound guy on the way in and he slides it into his "magical sound rack" and everyone sounds on any stage like they do in rehearsal and on recordings.
So, we stop chasing the holy grail when we can afford to buy the gear/ can afford a place to put it. That's just the way of things.
The simple fact is this:
Almost every bassist is chasing the "elusive" tone of a passive bass through a powerful tube head into a big cabinet that moves lots of air. Yes, there are some that like thin, honky, synth sounds but, generally speaking, we all agree that bass is there to produce the boom. The bottom end.
You can try to emulate it other configurations or simulate it with technology but the simple fact is, you can't accurately reproduce it. Yeah, I'd love to be the guy that invents something that can accurately reproduce the exact sound of a pbass through an SVT and a fridge in a package that weighs 3 lbs, has no neck dive and wirelessly connects to a business card sized receiver that they hand to the sound guy on the way in and he slides it into his "magical sound rack" and everyone sounds on any stage like they do in rehearsal and on recordings.
So, we stop chasing the holy grail when we can afford to buy the gear/ can afford a place to put it. That's just the way of things.
I have a old SS GK head i love. It was cheap too. Like $350. Why replace it with a lightweight SS head? It weighs maybe 20lbs. Whats the big deal?
