Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

[braindead0]

Similar boat here. I'll play pretty much anything, but I'm not interested in joining a band to go out and make money.. Around here it seem it's mostly same old same old, cover bands or playing what amounts to pop and everyone scrambling for the show slots available. Every venue has regulars, and the all seem to be the same exact band with different members...

 

[br1qbat]

Similar boat here. I'll play pretty much anything, but I'm not interested in joining a band to go out and make money.. Around here it seem it's mostly same old same old, cover bands or playing what amounts to pop and everyone scrambling for the show slots available. Every venue has regulars, and the all seem to be the same exact band with different members...

Sounds like its the same everywhere then! I'm hopefully finally circling in on having a band. There's a guitarist I've found and he's linked up with a drummer. Fingers crossed. Detroit for all its love of dirty rock n roll, is not a doom hotbed.

I think theres 1 band that I know of that does stoner doom, a few bands in the old school sludge sound, and a doomy death metal band. Most of the metal here is ol' death metal guys still rollin along, or something or other "-core".

I've had a devil of a time finding other like minded peeps. I honestly think I might have the last 2 people into doom that aren't already in a band. Feels that way.

Yeah, and drum machines are good for well, uh drum machine music like electro, industrial, whatevs. I started in music on drums aeons ago (I'm a terrible drummer). But I do understand the details in drumming which means I'm never satisfied by what a drum machine can do in a rock/metal context. Plus I dig the synergy playing with people. Can't get that from a box.

I could record a tune front to back, but I've always had a betterresult collaborating on a song as the different approaches adds a lot tohow something develops. Especially as I tend to consciously or not fall into similar songwriting patterns when left on my own.

 

[eyeballkid]

That's pretty cool to be married to a drummer.

I dunno. Have you spent much time with many drummers?

 

[br1qbat]

I dunno. Have you spent much time with many drummers?

Great story. I had a drummer friend back 15 years ago or so. One gig he forgot his bass drum. Ya know the big damn thing in his rehearsal room with his band's name on it?? Good times. Great guy. But still a drummer.

 

[gfen]

Yeah, and drum machines are good for well, uh drum machine music like electro, industrial, whatevs.

The good folks of Godflesh would like a word with you, sir.

I dunno. Have you spent much time with many drummers?

I want to make a comment about spending time with Leper's wife, but while I'm not sure which line (drummer or spouse) gets crossed, I know one of them will. I abstain from further comments.

For what it's worth, one of my children did pick up percussion in his 4th grade band last year, but I'm not sure I'll ever have the next Bill Ward on my hands...that said, he or his brother would fit right into the various stereotypes.

I tried very, very hard to get one of them to pickup string bass, but my wife shot it down hard.. I kinda wish she was a drummer, she'd understood then.

..at least I still have VR porn and drum machines.

obEffects: Played a bit with delay (nah) and reverb (mostly nah) last night. Briefly flirted with the Electric Mistress Stereo someone floated earlier, and realized in the end it's like enough to phaser it'd be another redundancy. POGs (et al) seem to fill me with interest and compressors because it seems like everyone says so. I mostly need to stop looking for an excuse to spend money I don't have. Heh.

 

[br1qbat]

The good folks of Godflesh would like a word with you, sir.

Hey, Godflesh is more-or-less industrial on their earliest records.

My point is, you are not getting "Ginger Baker in-a-box" you are getting a programmable metronome.

 

[gfen]

Hey, Godflesh is more-or-less industrial on their earliest records.

I'd say it gets confusing, but the earliest albums, Godflesh and Streetcleaner, are only post-Industrial by use of machine rhythms, and the primitive nature of the machine is what gives them even that. I was neck deep in rivethead nonsense back then, and they weren't in the same class as even the guitar-driven stuff like Ministry.

Matter of fact, if you listen to Fall of Because (Ben Green and Justin Broadrick), you'll see that even when Justin was using real drums he still aped machine style playing.

After that, Slavestate through Selfless I'll give you the dial goes more to post-Industrial with metal, but after that it's almost album by album whatcha get.

I love Godflesh but their albums are always mixed with that hollowness that irritates me.

Somehow, I've never listened to an entire Jesu album. I start and then figure, "why not just hear the real thing?" and put on a Godflesh album.

The other one that sticks out is Sisters of Mercy which has always all machine no human and it never really stood out so much to me..but maybe back then I didn't really care so much.

My point is, you are not getting "Ginger Baker in-a-box" you are getting a programmable metronome.

I know it's not a "drum machine" persay, but have you heard what you can do with an iPhone and Garageband now? I still don't really know how to work it, but it will literally give you an semi-intelligent percussionist (cue the drummer jokes) who, while it can't improvise, comes up with a drumline autonomously.

Drum machines are perfectly cromulent replacements, and in the words of KMFDM, "it's done by machines 'cause they don't make mistakes." Heh.

 

[Novarocker]

I run an overdrive, fuzz, phaser, tuner. I've had a delay but rarely used it, so I flipped it. Same with this quirky ibanez bass synth pedal I had. Fun but useless. Lol

I've played model Js on a bass that had them hardwired to series mode. I really like the sound. I'm planning on getting a set for my J.

Also, I can't resist the urge to share more bands I dig that I think you guys/gals would enjoy:

Green Druid
Domkraft
Slomatics
Alunah
Spaceslug
Alastor
Vokonis
Spelljammer
Ordos
Throneless
Messa
Telekinectic Yeti
Heavydeath
Purple Hill Witch
Savanah
Holy Serpent
Toke
Sea B@$tard
Morag Tong
High Priestess
Clouds Taste Satanic
Goatess
Egypt
Deadsmoke
Demonic Death Judge
Cloud
Black Cobra
Graves at Sea
Ocean Chief
Belzebong
Wretch

I loved Egypt when I first ran across them, I definitely need to circle back. I dig the elder scrolls name drop with Morag Tong, I'll have to check em out for sure.

Sounds like its the same everywhere then! I'm hopefully finally circling in on having a band. There's a guitarist I've found and he's linked up with a drummer. Fingers crossed. Detroit for all its love of dirty rock n roll, is not a doom hotbed.

I think theres 1 band that I know of that does stoner doom, a few bands in the old school sludge sound, and a doomy death metal band. Most of the metal here is ol' death metal guys still rollin along, or something or other "-core".

I've had a devil of a time finding other like minded peeps. I honestly think I might have the last 2 people into doom that aren't already in a band. Feels that way.

Yeah, and drum machines are good for well, uh drum machine music like electro, industrial, whatevs. I started in music on drums aeons ago (I'm a terrible drummer). But I do understand the details in drumming which means I'm never satisfied by what a drum machine can do in a rock/metal context. Plus I dig the synergy playing with people. Can't get that from a box.

I could record a tune front to back, but I've always had a betterresult collaborating on a song as the different approaches adds a lot tohow something develops. Especially as I tend to consciously or not fall into similar songwriting patterns when left on my own.

I feel ya man, the few times I've tried to find the/a scene or check out CL gave me nothing. Crazy too because of how many people are at stoner/doom shows when national acts come around.

That and isn't the small stone label local to Detroit?

Nova Driver is a rad band that isn't around any more that was from Detroit too. I almost pushed to change our band name when i found out about them.

@bassboysam that's a great track man. Love the flow and evolution of it. Great use of the delay too.

 

[bassboysam]

I loved Egypt when I first ran across them, I definitely need to circle back. I dig the elder scrolls name drop with Morag Tong, I'll have to check em out for sure.



I feel ya man, the few times I've tried to find the/a scene or check out CL gave me nothing. Crazy too because of how many people are at stoner/doom shows when national acts come around.

That and isn't the small stone label local to Detroit?

Nova Driver is a rad band that isn't around any more that was from Detroit too. I almost pushed to change our band name when i found out about them.

@bassboysam that's a great track man. Love the flow and evolution of it. Great use of the delay too.

thanks. you talking about the bandcamp single? that was all just off the cuff. not how i would typically use it

 

[thombo]

Somehow, I've never listened to an entire Jesu album. I start and then figure, "why not just hear the real thing?" and put on a Godflesh album.

In terms of JKB fans, I know I'm a total 1%. I like Godflesh, but I love Jesu. Godflesh is coming through Denver in December, I'm hoping to make it.

This has probably been covered, but is anyone going to the Caleb Scofield tribute in LA w/ Cave In, ISIS, Pelican, Old Man Gloom, and 27?

 

[CRich0205]

Hyborian is a local KC band I’ve really been getting into lately.

I’m using an HX effects for all my non diet sounds so I play with reverb and delay a lot. But it’s more melodic guitar sounding stuff. The reverb with some
Fuzz is a cool sound though.

 

[thombo]

I’m using an HX effects for all my non diet sounds so I play with reverb and delay a lot. But it’s more melodic guitar sounding stuff. The reverb with some
Fuzz is a cool sound though.

So I'm assuming you like the HX. What made you choose that over an M9 (which I dig for delay, verbs, and mod effects)?

 

[CRich0205]

So I'm assuming you like the HX. What made you choose that over an M9 (which I dig for delay, verbs, and mod effects)?

I’ve gone through several phases of big board then sold everything to buy a V4B. Then got some more including an M9 and sold that to buy my svt 2 pro.

The HX was the new hot thing and I downloaded the free trial of helix native to run on my computer. I liked the effects sounds and the ability to parallel route everything. So I can have a heavy drive or fuzz and blend in my clean tone. Helps keep the bottom full in a 3 piece. I also like being able to hook it u to my computer and tweak on presets instead of the UI. I use a KMI 12 step for synth sounds and always have my computer at band practice so it has worked out really well for me

 

[braindead0]

I should never have staggered in here... feeling gassy.. been considering a looper.. that HX sure looks like a whole lotta fun..

 

[thombo]

@CRich0205, have you ever messed w/ any of the Line 6 M-series pedals? The M9 is good enough for me, but I am curious if there is a significant sound improvement.

 

[Novarocker]

@CRich0205 thanks for that, I'll check out hyborian. Great name too.

thanks. you talking about the bandcamp single? that was all just off the cuff. not how i would typically use it

Yeah, I dig when there's some ebb and flow to a track and it sounds like everyone is feeding off each other.

If I was hearing it right, the percussive and rhythmic delay reminds me of an echorec. Speaking of which, I want a multi head delay bad...more to eff off with, but I'm sure I'd put it to good use.

 

[CRich0205]

@CRich0205 thanks for that, I'll check out hyborian. Great name too.



Yeah, I dig when there's some ebb and flow to a track and it sounds like everyone is feeding off each other.

If I was hearing it right, the percussive and rhythmic delay reminds me of an echorec. Speaking of which, I want a multi head delay bad...more to eff off with, but I'm sure I'd put it to good use.

The HX has several multi head delay models

 

[CRich0205]

@CRich0205, have you ever messed w/ any of the Line 6 M-series pedals? The M9 is good enough for me, but I am curious if there is a significant sound improvement.

I briefly had an M9 and the mission exp pedal that went with it. I thought the modulations and delay/verbs were really good. I didn’t love the distortions really and the synth and filter stuff I didn’t use a ton. The biggest improvement for me has been the signal routing and interface seemed easier to use.

 

[bassboysam]

@CRich0205 thanks for that, I'll check out hyborian. Great name too.



Yeah, I dig when there's some ebb and flow to a track and it sounds like everyone is feeding off each other.

If I was hearing it right, the percussive and rhythmic delay reminds me of an echorec. Speaking of which, I want a multi head delay bad...more to eff off with, but I'm sure I'd put it to good use.

that was a moog mf delay. i also used it in the video clip.

on my other board i have a cusack tap-a-delay which i think is a severly underrated delay for bass

 

[br1qbat]

@Novarocker: Yep, Small Stone is a Michigan label, I think my old friends' band, The Muggs (heavy blues rock), put out something on their label back ages ago.

Been listening to the new CONAN album. Very aggressive. I dig it quite a bit. They do a really short almost grindcore-esque tune ("Paincantation"), their most melodic with "Amidst the Infinite" and spaciest (the closer, "Eternal Silent Legend") Don't worry, no one's going to confuse it for anyone but them. Overall, it is very much in their usual comfort zone. Nice to hear them edge a little out of their box.

All in all, another pissed off record about swinging axes and poopie. Recommended.