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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

I need me of these for home use. Would be really handy. I got that little Marshall battery amp. I need to get an adapter and some decent phones. Hopping I can dial in a sort of Lemmy tone. Or I might bring a pedal home after practice. I need to write so e music before next practice. I got a ton of lyrics and nothing to put them to.

Feels like a Cult of Luna, day. That band is what got me playing stuff other than punk. I started a band in that style, or tried to. My first foray into effects. Loved playing that ambient stuff. Trying to incorporate some of all my influence as I write. It makes for weird riffs that work. I also need to study some exotic riffs. Look at different progressions and open my mind to different sounds. I always pedal off my fretted B (we play drop B), and add some open low B as ballz, but, I need to try and explore different things. Don't want to write the same riffs over and over. Need to start in different keys. Either way, at work right now. Just got to get through these 8 hours. And then tomorrow.
I actually usually just don't plug in when I'm practicing by myself. Or I'm at my computer so I just use garageband.

Cult of Luna is awesome and I just started getting into them more. I love this live set, even though it's not the full lineup.

If you're tuned in B, I recommend playing in the keys of C# and E. Gives you room to go below the tonic.

As for more exotic-sounding riffs, I recommend listening to some Melechesh (especially the songs "Rebirth of the Nemesis," "Ghouls of Nineveh," and "The Epigenesis"), Through Silver in Blood era Neurosis (especially the title track of that album, and also "Aeon"), and mid to later Yob (specifically "Grasping Air," "Burning the Altar," and "Before We Dreamed of Two"). When you do, listen to the ways they deviate from the standard minor pentatonic/natural minor scale type riffs, and what those deviations do to the sound.

Trying out craigslist again. It's been a while. The scammers scared me off but there has been zero action in the TB classifieds.
Yeah, craigslist sucks sometimes, but people do reply. Eventually. Sometimes.

What are you selling, anyway? I can't buy it, anyway, but I'm curious.

That sounds like a cool idea. I remember seeing a photo somewhere of someone mounting a micro terror to their board and running is as a preamp/pedal, too. :woot:
A micro terror?

People say that in their ads all the time here. What does that mean? All the scammers I've come across were ridiculously obvious with weird names and asking for shipping and non cash payments.

If you offer me decent cash in person I don't care what your plan is as long as said cash gets in my hand.

So are you offering money order based international shipping in your ads?
Eh, I've been given a line of ******** where it wasn't immediately apparent at first, too. People are sleazy on craigslist.


I kinda want one like that, and I want to paint it like a rocket ship.

Still on the hunt for a cab. I was totally convinced on that Aggy 810. Still would like it, but can't help but feel that for $850 bones I can do better. Not to mention, the nut on my SB-2 broke somehow last night and now I need to get that fixed, which clamps down on my already tight budget. Do any of you guys have experience with a GK neo 412? Is it loud enough to run solo or paired with 2 115s?

For some reason I keep turning my head away from an 810e. Reason being, I had a 410he a few years back and really never cared for the sealed cab sound. The lack of lows when I played in standard was disappointing and now that I am in A# I just expect the 810e to be a big heavy clank machine, losing a lot of the bass in translation.

I know I am overthinking this. I just don't want a repeat of the last show where I couldn't hear myself at all. I have a lot more power at my disposal now, but big guns require big ammo. If it were for any genre besides doom, I know I would be squared away. A 412 would be lighter, more than enough loud and could probably fit in my Charger. With doom though, I am skeptical.
I think you're overly worried that an 810 won't have enough low end. Dave Edwardson from Neurosis uses just a regular old SVT rig, and his sound has earth shaking lows. I've seen Aaron Reiseburg from Yob use one, too, and his sound isn't lacking in low end. In fact, lots of doom bands I've seen have used Ampeg 810s, and none that I can recall were low-end shy. Including Sleep. Al Cisneros' bass tone when I saw them at the Fox in Oakland was huge enough that if there'd been an earthquake, I doubt anyone would have noticed.

The 810 isn't really a clank machine. My rig, with the Mesa head on top of a Sunn 2000S with EV drivers, is really more clank central. The times I've played through an Ampeg 810, there was less clank and more fatness. There is a little bit of clank, but it's higher up than the really obnoxious clank I go for. More of a light "plink" on top of punchy fatness than a real "clank."

Pretty much every winter I wonder why the hell anyone would have settled in the northern half of the country 200 years ago. Then I remember that it was probably cold where they came from too. Still, I would have headed south.
Eh, I wouldn't have. Cold can be very uncomfortable, but I can deal with it better than I can deal with heat and humidity. Given how humid the east coast is, in terms of my own weather preferences it kinda astonishes me that the first Europeans to get the Americas didn't go "you know what? shag this place" and turn right back around.

I like it cold.
Me, too. Cold I feel like I can take measures against. Too much heat and humidity is hard to get rid of. If I'm already wearing nothing and it's still too hot, there's not much more I can do.

I feel down a Google hole with websites about urban camping and the whole building tiny mobile houses thing a year or two ago. Someone found my way to it by way of looking up sand/earthbag style houses and the whole DIY sustainable building thing. I would love to build myself a studio that way eventually, but the whole small camper thing is not for me. I found it fascinating from a certain utilitarian lifestyle point of view that appeals to me, but I hate driving. I'm more a shack in the woods type of hermit.



I had a 410HLF and an 810e at the same time, never owned the 410he. I got rid of the 410HLF, because it was my compact cab for recording and once I had the two Duallies and a ported 110, it seemed completely unnecessary. A lot of people bag hard on that cab, but it did fine for the typical Ampeg 10" tone, with a little extra low end punch. I always had the tweeter turned off, because f*ck tweeters forever.
Yeah, a studio like that would be cool. And it does seem kind of appealing, but the lack of plumbing would be a problem for me. Some of those tiny houses have plumbing, but most are of the motor home variety, and I don't want to live in a trailer park.

Pretty damn nasty (in a good way), if you ask me. I like Ed, as while he clearly has personal preferences, I get the impression that he likes a lot of different bass sounds other than the main ones he uses, including sounds that people look down on elsewhere on TB a lot.

The older I get, the more I embrace a utilitarian philosophy in my lifestyle. Mostly in the form of eliminating things from my life that are just there out of habit, instead of adding value. I try not to adhere to any philosophy strictly or dogmatically though, so just evaluate everything on a case by case basis and reserve the right to make exceptions or change my mind. I don't drink, smoke or get high anymore. If someone invited me to a party and offered me a delicious beer or a toke, I wanted it and could do it responsibly, I would. I wouldn't start smoking again though, because there's no value in it at all (only the relief of sating a craving that the thing itself gives you). It's also a lot of stupid little stuff. Like I threw out all my underwear and socks, then bought enough of the same kinds of each to last me a month. So I never have to worry about matching socks and I don't have to do laundry as often. My wife knows all too well that I would love to do the same with my shirts, pants and shoes and just have a bunch of one outfit to last me most of the time, with a few alternates for different occasions. Ask Nick or Mark about my custom gear design aesthetic..."Eh, just make it all black". I value aesthetics and enjoy interesting, creative things that people do, but when it comes to spending my own time and money I'm just very minimalist now.
There's something to be said for simple aesthetics, in amps.

Is the headcase of your Dunwich "Mr. Grumpy" all black with a black grill, too?

I spent most of my late teens and early 20's in cargo shorts. Mostly the same pair of cargo shorts too. Then nature flipped a switch in my head and I never wanted to wear shorts ever again. It might also coincide with the time I quit smoking a lot of weed. Whatever that's worth. I think the last time I wore shorts was on a southwest tour in 2007 and that was a special circumstance, due to extreme high temperature and being stuck in a van for 14 hours at a time.
I wore shorts basically all the time when I was a child.

Then I hit puberty and somehow they became unappealing to me. Dunno why. I haven't owned a pair of shorts in years.

My SVT810 puts out all the low end I need for loud practices. Tuned A#. I crank my lows quite a bit too. When we gig I'm gonna run my 610 & 810 together. Want more headroom and together they really fill a room.

All the newer 412s I've played move some serious air. Even that old Marshall 412 i just picked up is surprisingly loud. A single 810/215/218/412 is a half stack.
Agreed on the half-stack bit. I get a little annoyed when people post "just got a new half stack!" on the Amps subforum and it turns out to be a measly little 410 or 212.

A lot of 412 cabs are voiced very prominent in the mids, so they sound a bit louder to the ear.

I'm kinda interested in both the Bergantino NV412, and also the Mesa 412. Don't have the money for either, though.

Humid semi tropical Texas.

You know I'm an Eagle Scout and have done tons of camping in my scouting days and with friends and family and I've never experienced a tick? Leeches yes... Mosquitos will bite me but not very often and I don't get the itchy bump. Chiggers suck, but it's been a while since I got them.

Tons of thorns, a few poison ivy encounters. I think nettles don't exist here.
Ugh, semi-tropical. I can't stand humidity.

I also have never gotten a tick, despite tons of camping and even backpacking in boy scouts when I was a teenager. Then again, I never wore shorts on such trips...

We don't have poison ivy here, just poison oak.

Hell yeah, dude.

I don't get Bassmec or what point he's trying to make. The newer drivers are about the same sensitivity as the old ones, but with more tolerance for low end, and higher power handling.

Back then (and now) it was easier to stay warm than get cool.
Agreed, 100%.

Cold I can do something about. I can keep adding layers (within reason). Even without modern heating, I can light a fire. If I'm going to do anything active, I prefer the weather to be cold. While the gig in the Mojave Desert, with the winds between 30 and 50 mph most of the weekend and the temperature below 60 was really, really cold, once we were playing, it was actually probably the most comfortable gig for me.

Heat, I can't do anything about after a certain point. If I'm sitting around wearing basically nothing, with all the windows open for cross-ventilation, and it's still too hot, there's really not much more I can do about it. This especially true if there's no wind, and even more so if it's humid and so my sweat doesn't evaporate as easily. I'd put up with a brutal winter if I never had to deal with temperatures over 75. Then again, I'm a big chunk Scandinavian in descent, and another big chunk Scottish and Irish, so I suppose it makes sense.
 
that did not sound good.

shame cause that guy can play.
Eh, I thought it sounded good.

But then, I go for really obnoxious bass sounds.

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The first two covers on it I don't really care for, but the third is quite good, I think. Also the cover of "Iron Man" is one of the better ones I've heard.
 
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I actually usually just don't plug in when I'm practicing by myself. Or I'm at my computer so I just use garageband.

Cult of Luna is awesome and I just started getting into them more. I love this live set, even though it's not the full lineup.

If you're tuned in B, I recommend playing in the keys of C# and E. Gives you room to go below the tonic.

As for more exotic-sounding riffs, I recommend listening to some Melechesh (especially the songs "Rebirth of the Nemesis," "Ghouls of Nineveh," and "The Epigenesis"), Through Silver in Blood era Neurosis (especially the title track of that album, and also "Aeon"), and mid to later Yob (specifically "Grasping Air," "Burning the Altar," and "Before We Dreamed of Two"). When you do, listen to the ways they deviate from the standard minor pentatonic/natural minor scale type riffs, and what those deviations do to the sound.


Yeah, craigslist sucks sometimes, but people do reply. Eventually. Sometimes.

What are you selling, anyway? I can't buy it, anyway, but I'm curious.


A micro terror?


Eh, I've been given a line of ******** where it wasn't immediately apparent at first, too. People are sleazy on craigslist.



I kinda want one like that, and I want to paint it like a rocket ship.


I think you're overly worried that an 810 won't have enough low end. Dave Edwardson from Neurosis uses just a regular old SVT rig, and his sound has earth shaking lows. I've seen Aaron Reiseburg from Yob use one, too, and his sound isn't lacking in low end. In fact, lots of doom bands I've seen have used Ampeg 810s, and none that I can recall were low-end shy. Including Sleep. Al Cisneros' bass tone when I saw them at the Fox in Oakland was huge enough that if there'd been an earthquake, I doubt anyone would have noticed.

The 810 isn't really a clank machine. My rig, with the Mesa head on top of a Sunn 2000S with EV drivers, is really more clank central. The times I've played through an Ampeg 810, there was less clank and more fatness. There is a little bit of clank, but it's higher up than the really obnoxious clank I go for. More of a light "plink" on top of punchy fatness than a real "clank."


Eh, I wouldn't have. Cold can be very uncomfortable, but I can deal with it better than I can deal with heat and humidity. Given how humid the east coast is, in terms of my own weather preferences it kinda astonishes me that the first Europeans to get the Americas didn't go "you know what? **** this place" and turn right back around.


Me, too. Cold I feel like I can take measures against. Too much heat and humidity is hard to get rid of. If I'm already wearing nothing and it's still too hot, there's not much more I can do.


Yeah, a studio like that would be cool. And it does seem kind of appealing, but the lack of plumbing would be a problem for me. Some of those tiny houses have plumbing, but most are of the motor home variety, and I don't want to live in a trailer park.


Pretty damn nasty (in a good way), if you ask me. I like Ed, as while he clearly has personal preferences, I get the impression that he likes a lot of different bass sounds other than the main ones he uses, including sounds that people look down on elsewhere on TB a lot.


There's something to be said for simple aesthetics, in amps.

Is the headcase of your Dunwich "Mr. Grumpy" all black with a black grill, too?


I wore shorts basically all the time when I was a child.

Then I hit puberty and somehow they became unappealing to me. Dunno why. I haven't owned a pair of shorts in years.


Agreed on the half-stack bit. I get a little annoyed when people post "just got a new half stack!" on the Amps subforum and it turns out to be a measly little 410 or 212.

A lot of 412 cabs are voiced very prominent in the mids, so they sound a bit louder to the ear.

I'm kinda interested in both the Bergantino NV412, and also the Mesa 412. Don't have the money for either, though.


Ugh, semi-tropical. I can't stand humidity.

I also have never gotten a tick, despite tons of camping and even backpacking in boy scouts when I was a teenager. Then again, I never wore shorts on such trips...

We don't have poison ivy here, just poison oak.


Hell yeah, dude.

I don't get Bassmec or what point he's trying to make. The newer drivers are about the same sensitivity as the old ones, but with more tolerance for low end, and higher power handling.


Agreed, 100%.

Cold I can do something about. I can keep adding layers (within reason). Even without modern heating, I can light a fire. If I'm going to do anything active, I prefer the weather to be cold. While the gig in the Mojave Desert, with the winds between 30 and 50 mph most of the weekend and the temperature below 60 was really, really cold, once we were playing, it was actually probably the most comfortable gig for me.

Heat, I can't do anything about after a certain point. If I'm sitting around wearing basically nothing, with all the windows open for cross-ventilation, and it's still too hot, there's really not much more I can do about it. This especially true if there's no wind, and even more so if it's humid and so my sweat doesn't evaporate as easily. I'd put up with a brutal winter if I never had to deal with temperatures over 75. Then again, I'm a big chunk Scandinavian in descent, and another big chunk Scottish and Irish, so I suppose it makes sense.

To be fair, that is just the front end breaking up on his SS amp.
 
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Sartori did you ever do the Philmont backpacking experience? That was a very fun trip from scouts.

Towards the end I just was grinding to get done, all my friends quit or weren't in it to begin with, but I got the Eagle Rank.

The interview before I got it ended with them asking what I'd change in scouts. I went on a tirade about the rampant racism, homophobia, overly christian etc. and all the other bad ism's there are. They kinda just looked at me like "dude, you were supposed to say you wanted to go camping more".
 
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https://darkoceansociety.bandcamp.com/releases

^^^^

I've lurked in this thread for ages with only an occasional post but I feel like you guys might like my 2 track preview of my upcoming solo album...The heaviest and lightest of the songs. Recorded with Agile Septer 827 on guitar and MTD KZ4 with Nordstrand Big Singles into Tech 21/L6 mixture mixed with Toneboosters and Stillwell plugins and mastered using LANDR. LANDR is pretty awesome I suggest you guys start using it for mastering.
 
Ugh... Well I couldn't find any GK 12s to play through. Whats more frustrating is that I was texting my guitar player/band leader about my cab dilemma. His response was "Please don't feel like you need to cut through, we want you to make giant low growling bass tones." So I guess **** it. 810e it is. At least if I go that route and get some chewed up cab with functioning speakers I will probably be able to afford two of them.

Easy to find. Easy to unload down the line. You should be able to find a few around $400-500.
 
All this 810 talk makes me excited and want to try out my friends supposed 69 svt fridge...


Also this gets me excited...

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Sartori did you ever do the Philmont backpacking experience? That was a very fun trip from scouts.

Towards the end I just was grinding to get done, all my friends quit or weren't in it to begin with, but I got the Eagle Rank.

The interview before I got it ended with them asking what I'd change in scouts. I went on a tirade about the rampant racism, homophobia, overly christian etc. and all the other bad ism's there are. They kinda just looked at me like "dude, you were supposed to say you wanted to go camping more".
I haven't actually heard of the Philmont backpacking experience.

Is it in the Cascades or Sierras? Those are the only two places we did backpacking trips when I was in scouts.

My troop, I think partly due to being in the bay area, was pretty liberal about all that stuff. Also partly because while many troops are sponsored by churches and such, ours was sponsored by the Elks' Lodge, which is basically a drinking club. So not a whole lot of god crap. Stayed in until I was 18.

I didn't get asked that question in my eagle interview, unfortunately. Good on you for going on a rant about everything that's wrong with the BSA in yours. It could be such a better organization if it wasn't tied at the national level to Christian conservatism these days.
 
My drummer is a machinist and burned his hand pretty bad tonight. No practice tonight. Good thing we're only recording my bass and the rhythm guitarist parts on sat...

I'm thinking of about how to approach this recording session. With two guitars in A# running some beefy tones i need to cut but deliver serious fundamental low end. I'm thinking of running my ampeg 610 with the vb2 for the big low end and using my terror as a DI. i shouldnt need to have it run into a cab, right?
 
What do you Gents like to use for a headphone amp. I am thinking about buying that little Orange Micro Terror as it has a MP3 input and a headphone out?

i have a Bass Pandora I bought a long time ago. (for real headphones usage) has a little drum machine built in.

I live in one of the biggest metroplexes in the US and I'm visiting Austin on a semi regular schedule. I have a really decent market to work with, also I flip constantly usually without something in mind other than profit.

Time is on my side so that helps. I also write nice ads, take decent pics, and start my price borderline unreasonable and whittle down in increment ending in 5 (heard prices ending in 5 are more pleasing statistically). I always say OBO FS/FT in every ad no matter what. I just realized I should offer meetings or delivery for the right price as I'm writing this.

I'm usually making at least double what I pay for things so I have wiggle room and time to ease the ads. Trades are awesome because when you weed out the weird trades there's some pretty awesome up trades thrown out I can just retrade or sell towards what I really want, or the next flip.

Good tips, and I like that fire pit!
 
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Sartori...Mr Grumpy is going to be all black, yes. The headshell is going to be sort of Hiwatt looking, but without the piping. I was suggesting Duratex covered, since I tend to thrash tolex pretty quick. We'll see what TJ, who's making it, suggests though.

Max, that Vega artwork looks cool. Very early 2000's MeteorCity Records looking.
 
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My drummer is a machinist and burned his hand pretty bad tonight. No practice tonight. Good thing we're only recording my bass and the rhythm guitarist parts on sat...

I'm thinking of about how to approach this recording session. With two guitars in A# running some beefy tones i need to cut but deliver serious fundamental low end. I'm thinking of running my ampeg 610 with the vb2 for the big low end and using my terror as a DI. i shouldnt need to have it run into a cab, right?
I'd actually do the opposite. Run a DI, maybe even off the VB-2 itself, for big low end, put that track near the center, and then mic up a cab for overdriven midrange and treat it basically as another guitar.
 
I'd actually do the opposite. Run a DI, maybe even off the VB-2 itself, for big low end, put that track near the center, and then mic up a cab for overdriven midrange and treat it basically as another guitar.

I figured the DI might be better for the low end, I just haven't used DIs for recording that much. I know I want to mic a cab for the dirty side of the tone. The last time i tried using the VB2 DI i was pretty underwhelmed. I remember Laz saying his tone on their new recording was the terror bass DI. I figured run my bass into my sans amp and use it as a splitter and then
main out- pedal board- VB2- 610 mic'd
paralell out- terror bass- DI w/o cab
 
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I figured the DI might be better for the low end, I just haven't used DIs for recording that much. I know I want to mic a cab for the dirty side of the tone. The last time i tried using the VB2 DI i was pretty underwhelmed. I remember Laz saying his tone on their new recording was the terror bass DI. I figured run it like this:

bass- sans amp- main out- pedal board- VB2- 610 mic'd
paralell out- terror bass- DI w/o cab
DI for lows mainly because even if your cab is putting them out, lots of mics don't pick them up very well, and some of the ones that do really suck for any other part of the frequency spectrum. While I wouldn't overdrive whatever track you're using for the lows all that much, some overdrive or compression is possibly a good idea to make sure it sustains about as much as the (presumably somewhat overdriven) mic'd cab track.
 
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I haven't actually heard of the Philmont backpacking experience.

Is it in the Cascades or Sierras? Those are the only two places we did backpacking trips when I was in scouts.

Rural nothern new Mexico. The Sangre de Cristo range of the Rockies.

Its a interesting concept. You have to get a crew of people (3 dads, 7 boys in my case) its very small group oriented). Then you go for 10 days. One day at base camp to get your gear, then you get a guide for one day who takes you out and makes sure your not a gang of dumbasses, then he leaves you with a map and for 7 days you hike the mountains and carry everything, stopping every day or so at a pitstop for supplies. In the end i think we did around 80+ miles. For a year prior every weekend we Had to do a full pack 10-20 mile hike.

My drummer is a machinist and burned his hand pretty bad tonight. No practice tonight. Good thing we're only recording my bass and the rhythm guitarist parts on sat...

I'm thinking of about how to approach this recording session. With two guitars in A# running some beefy tones i need to cut but deliver serious fundamental low end. I'm thinking of running my ampeg 610 with the vb2 for the big low end and using my terror as a DI. i shouldnt need to have it run into a cab, right?

That first part sucks, yet reminds me of the movie the machinist.

I'd do the whole thing via the bass terror, mic cab with my dirt, then DI a "clean" low end.

Good tips, and I like that fire pit!

No problem, you and anyone else feel free to pm me or openly ask questions, or have me review your ads.

And thanks, the concept is awesome, grandparents friends had one, then my parents neighbors saw pics of us around it and made one. They moved and I took it.
 
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